Serral's Revolution - Page 5

On November 12 2018 03:19 archonOOid wrote:
Good article but maybe it should be mentioned that the Korean scene while dominant isn't as vibrant as it has been in the past. Serral's win is poking a hole in the deteriorating Korean sc2 scene built up by bw, eroded by increasingly stronger winds from other games in the current decade and a shrinking player pool/popularity.

On November 12 2018 03:19 archonOOid wrote:
Good article but maybe it should be mentioned that the Korean scene while dominant isn't as vibrant as it has been in the past. Serral's win is poking a hole in the deteriorating Korean sc2 scene built up by bw, eroded by increasingly stronger winds from other games in the current decade and a shrinking player pool/popularity.

The dissolution of KeSPA teams in late 2016 was a demoralizing blow, possibly a coup de grâce in more fraught circumstances, but the remaining Korean pros stalwartly adapted to their new environment. They returned to their winning ways in 2017, sweeping all the major international events. Despite the withdrawal of KeSPA, the utter lack of new talent, and the combination of retirements and resurgence of the Brood War scene, the momentum Korea had built up over decades was still overwhelming. Even on the tail end of the avalanche, foreigners were being buried.

On November 12 2018 06:10 11cc wrote:

Maybe every article about sc2 should mention that sc2 isn't as big now as it was in 2012, and if it were, these noobs who wins these tournaments wouldn't ever even make it out of group stages but the scene is just so shit nowadays that even these inferior players manage to win.

GSL 3 times in a row? Well don't wan't to be apologists so we must point out that Korean scene sucks now compared to the past so don't get too excited. Maru isn't that amazing, it's just that the whole scene is in decline. Not exactly the kind of article that I'd enjoy reading about a sport that I like.

On November 12 2018 06:42 imp42 wrote:
regarding koreans vs foreigners, declining scene, etc.:

you know, if somebody hangs in the air like Michael Jordan did, then you recognize and acknowledge that talent no matter what the level of basketball as a scene was at the time.
To see this equivalent talent, just open a replay and check for yourself how Serral actually plays.

Secondly, the greatness of a player / athlete should always be considered and evaluated in a given context and it is pretty much impossible to compare people from different eras. Is Hines achievement being the first to break the 10 second barrier during a 100m sprint in 1968 worth less just because the field has advanced and sub-10-second times are done routinely now? Absolutely not.
Yes, the Koreans don't have team house support anymore like they used to have. But neither has Serral. Skill is about what you achieve with the tools you get.

On November 12 2018 22:20 hiroshOne wrote:
Maybe Korean scene isn't as vibrant as it used to be bit the level of play is much higher that it was in 2012 for example. Skill is more refined and the game itself is much more complex and much faster and demanding.

On November 13 2018 00:04 Acrofales wrote:

(1) that was HotS, which was quite a different game.
(2) I don't htink that's true either. 2013-2015 was prime time for Innovation and Zest. Do you think 2014 innovation would beat 2018 innovation?

Also, let me remind you that 2014 had Hyun, San and StarDust in the top 8 WCS players... I'd put any of the top 8 koreans from 2018 against any of these 3.