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Please please please Serral... PLEASE beat Dark.
Revenge for Showtime, i need it!
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will the most intense timeline of foreigner vs korean come to light in the finals? or will zvz remain the most Kappa mu behind pvp huehuhee
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I guess serral will practice with lambo and special will practice with showtime, or how will they practice before the matches?
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sOs - Serral finals and I can die happy no matter what happens
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I don't really see Dark or Rogue taking down Serral. TY is a possibility though. On the other side, I think there's a solid possibility of Special in the ro4 2 years in a row. Stats is still favored, though. And finally that leaves Maru vs sOs, where if we go by recent results, there's an extremely close match there. I'm super hyped for this.
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Rogue will be our champion this year.
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Time for the Maru - Rogue finals we've been waiting for all year
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Hi guys,
Here's the results in prophetic order:
Maru 3-1 sHy
Special 1-3 Stats
Rogue 3-2 TY
Dark 0-3 Serral
Maru 3-2 Stats
Rogue 0-3 Serral
Maru 0-4 Serral
GG.
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Very good bracket, looking forward for each of these matches. The lover half is a bit heavier, the upper half is dicier, should be some exciting games.
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
On October 29 2018 20:33 Geo.Rion wrote:
Very good bracket, looking forward for each of these matches. The lover half is a bit heavier, the upper half is dicier, should be some exciting games.
The lover half is always the best half.
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Well, it is quite funny they set up Serral and Maru in the opposite brackets, although I doubt anyone will complain.
I agree with what Artosis said on the cast in a sense that everyone does have a chance to get to the finals technically, even though there are clear favorites in Maru, Serral, Rogue etc.
Considering some of the most interesting matches, sOs could be a strong opposition against Maru, considering his victory over the Terran Titan in ST2 this year. Also looking forward to Dark vs Serral, personally hoping for the former SKT Zerg to take it this time, as a revenge for GSL vs The World.
With all that said, oh man this Rogue vs TY series is gonna be absolutely insane.
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On October 29 2018 20:25 TrashPanda wrote:
Time for the Maru - Rogue finals we've been waiting for all year
This would truly be the dream!
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Dark vs Serral rematch, I like it.
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After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral
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I hate that I can't watch Maru v sOs, if I do I know sOs will get wrecked, but here's to hoping my cursed gaze being averted allows sOs to get the win and claim BlizzCon!
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On October 29 2018 21:22 Kurao wrote:
Well, it is quite funny they set up Serral and Maru in the opposite brackets, although I doubt anyone will complain.
I will. It is shameless bracket rigging. Neeb didn't get that consideration in 2016 when he was matched up against Korea's #1 in the playoff stage. In 2017, Elazer (WCS #2) and INnoVation (Korea #2) ended up on the opposite sides of the bracket, but they didn't have a rule to force that.
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Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's.
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Big congratulations to TY and Stats - the only players to participate at all Blizzcons of LotV!
I am super hyped for this bracket, rigged as it is.
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Stats wins finals against Serral 4-2.
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I really don't think the bracket is rigged. If they wanted to have Maru v Serral finals, they wouldn't have put Maru against sos in the first round imo
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral
Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol.
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On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol.
Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that.
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Canada8989 Posts
On October 29 2018 21:41 BlingBlang wrote:
Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's.
I don't have much fate in Dark but Rogue zvz is quite good and he can plays a more of beat zvz with muta and lings base composition that gave a lot of trouble to Serral in Montreal.
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Seem like protos will take Maru beffore Serral.
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On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol.
Man everyone forgets him 3-0'ing Serral. If Serral had won that match people would still be talking about it lol.
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Perfect bracket for Dark vs Stats final 
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On October 29 2018 23:00 Ej_ wrote:Perfect bracket for Dark vs Stats final
And they didn't even have to make up a rule for it!
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Absolutely think Stats is going to take this
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final gonna be sos/maru vs dark
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wait a sec . . finals not actually at blizzcon? I was hoping to catch the restream today and have a great time? Whats the meaning of this? or am i confused, blizzcon is next weekend.
edit: oh! thats just excellent, blizcon is a whole week thing! Cool!
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
On October 29 2018 22:52 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Man everyone forgets him 3-0'ing Serral. If Serral had won that match people would still be talking about it lol.
Neeb crushed Serral 3-0 just a couple weeks ago. Even the best lose sometimes. Alternatively, Classic losing to Reynor and now Special diminishes Reynor's victory over Classic even more and shows that he is in a pretty weak state right now.
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Maru - sOs 3-1
Stats -Special 3-0
Rogue - TY 3-2
Serral -Dark 3-2
Maru - Stats 3-2
Serral - Rogue 3-1
Maru - Serral 3-4
On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol.
Actually only lost to serral 1-3 and reynor 1-2 0-2 before this so a "punching bag" ehh...
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Italy420 Posts
I have literally no expertise , yet I would love to have good old Special make it to the finals. :D
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On October 29 2018 22:52 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Man everyone forgets him 3-0'ing Serral. If Serral had won that match people would still be talking about it lol.
Well serral got revenge just 2 weeks later, so that is what stuck with people more I guess.
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On October 29 2018 23:30 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 22:52 Fango wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Man everyone forgets him 3-0'ing Serral. If Serral had won that match people would still be talking about it lol. Neeb crushed Serral 3-0 just a couple weeks ago. Even the best lose sometimes. Alternatively, Classic losing to Reynor and now Special diminishes Reynor's victory over Classic even more and shows that he is in a pretty weak state right now.
He just won Super Tournament a few weeks ago.
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Austria24422 Posts
On October 29 2018 23:30 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 22:52 Fango wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Man everyone forgets him 3-0'ing Serral. If Serral had won that match people would still be talking about it lol. Neeb crushed Serral 3-0 just a couple weeks ago. Even the best lose sometimes. Alternatively, Classic losing to Reynor and now Special diminishes Reynor's victory over Classic even more and shows that he is in a pretty weak state right now.
Does it? Reynor was one map away from beating Serral in a WCS final. The kid is sick good and he played like it against Classic too.
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I do wonder with whom the players will be practicing for the ro8. If all JAGW players are in Anaheim then Maru, sOs and Rogue should be fine. Special will have plenty of eliminated Protoss players to play with but Stats may have trouble finding a Terran partner besides TY who still need to practice TVZ.
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Bisutopia19299 Posts
On October 29 2018 23:57 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 23:30 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 22:52 Fango wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Man everyone forgets him 3-0'ing Serral. If Serral had won that match people would still be talking about it lol. Neeb crushed Serral 3-0 just a couple weeks ago. Even the best lose sometimes. Alternatively, Classic losing to Reynor and now Special diminishes Reynor's victory over Classic even more and shows that he is in a pretty weak state right now. Does it? Reynor was one map away from beating Serral in a WCS final. The kid is sick good and he played like it against Classic too.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Reynor and think he is a monster. I'm more emphasizing that Classic has been beaten by quite a few foreigners lately and looks weak against them. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on to why he has become vulnerable to the west.
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Hype for the finals Maru – Serral, where in a 7-game nailbiter the best player emerges as victor.
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this sucks was really hoping sos goes deep into the bracket and maru does too
i think maru will win but will be happy if sos does as well - but will he be able to beat serral??!??!?!
predictions
maru > sos
special > stats (PRAYING FOR A MIRACLE HERE)
ty > rogue
serral > dark
maru > special
ty > serral
maru > ty awesome super great grand finals!!!!!
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I feel like people predicting sOs will beat Maru or give him a hard time haven't watched his games vs Heromarine.
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Serral vs TY will be a good game to watch.
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Maru vs Serral hype! oh man i hope they both get to the finals
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On October 30 2018 00:24 yht9657 wrote:
I do wonder with whom the players will be practicing for the ro8. If all JAGW players are in Anaheim then Maru, sOs and Rogue should be fine. Special will have plenty of eliminated Protoss players to play with but Stats may have trouble finding a Terran partner besides TY who still need to practice TVZ.
The ping to Korea is not that horrible so I imagine for example that Stats will call up guys like Innovation to practice cross server a bit.
Also the bracket is great.
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On October 29 2018 23:30 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 22:52 Fango wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Man everyone forgets him 3-0'ing Serral. If Serral had won that match people would still be talking about it lol. Neeb crushed Serral 3-0 just a couple weeks ago. Even the best lose sometimes. Alternatively, Classic losing to Reynor and now Special diminishes Reynor's victory over Classic even more and shows that he is in a pretty weak state right now.
Anyone can lose 3-0 in an online event and no one cares. The ro4 of Katowice is a bit different. People didn't stop talking about Serral even making the ro4 basically until he won GSL vs The World.
Reynor played really well against Classic as well. It's sad to see people labelled him as weak because of a ro32 loss like that.
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On October 29 2018 22:33 Vutalisk wrote:Is that you Artosis?
Tbh, Artosis praising sOs is the thing that worries me more than anything else xD
He's not wrong though. Outside of a clever takedown of Zest, sOs looked quite bad in the group stages. Nevertheless...a lot can change in a few days with players of his calibur. At the very least, Maru is in some very real danger given that it's a teamkill and all their encounters this year have been pretty competitive.
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Tbh I don't really like this bracket for Serral. He hasn't lost a lot of ZvZ series, sure, but he looked very vulnerable in it at the last WCS. I hope he can beat Dark, but I wouldn't bet on it. After that, I hope he meets TY even if that lowers his chances, it would be a nice test if he actually meets Maru in the finals. But Maru has a really tough bracket too, I think a grand final with neither Maru nor Serral is not that unlikely.
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As long as Serral makes it to the final everythings alright
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love this bracket. especially compared to last year where the lower half was so much stronger than the upper half
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On October 30 2018 00:24 yht9657 wrote:
I do wonder with whom the players will be practicing for the ro8. If all JAGW players are in Anaheim then Maru, sOs and Rogue should be fine. Special will have plenty of eliminated Protoss players to play with but Stats may have trouble finding a Terran partner besides TY who still need to practice TVZ.
I was wondering about that for Dark. There are plenty of foreign Zergs at Blizzcon who will likely help Serral, but I'm not sure who would practice with Dark. Cross-server with soO?
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On October 30 2018 00:40 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 23:57 Olli wrote:On October 29 2018 23:30 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 22:52 Fango wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Man everyone forgets him 3-0'ing Serral. If Serral had won that match people would still be talking about it lol. Neeb crushed Serral 3-0 just a couple weeks ago. Even the best lose sometimes. Alternatively, Classic losing to Reynor and now Special diminishes Reynor's victory over Classic even more and shows that he is in a pretty weak state right now. Does it? Reynor was one map away from beating Serral in a WCS final. The kid is sick good and he played like it against Classic too. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Reynor and think he is a monster. I'm more emphasizing that Classic has been beaten by quite a few foreigners lately and looks weak against them. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on to why he has become vulnerable to the west.
But the foreigners he's been beaten by are the best of the best unless there's some match I'm missing. Reynor was arguably an engagement away from being the GSL ro8 in first place over Maru, and Special is one of the best foreigners out there as well
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Don't underestimate Rogue's ZvZ, he's the top ZvZ player in korea besides maybe soO. If it comes to lategame ZvZ definitely the best korean ZvZ player.
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Doesn't look like we will get the serral v Maru final I have been dreaming of. Maru will play sOs and then most likely Stats which are the people that knocked him out of GSL super tournament 2 and GSL vs the World. I favor serral over dark, rogue and TY, but ZvZ is a weird match up so we will see.
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There has been so few high level ZvZs this year in Korea, i think it s really hard to grasp who is the best korean ZvZ player
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I think SOS might mess up the maru vs serral final people are hoping for. SOS definitely has the potential to beat maru, especially in a tournament like this where maru does not have time to do heavy prep for the games. SOS knows maru inside and out and his volatile style might be enough to eliminate him. I sense an upset coming. Rooting for maru to win the whole thing though.
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On October 30 2018 05:10 Popparockz wrote:
Doesn't look like we will get the serral v Maru final I have been dreaming of. Maru will play sOs and then most likely Stats which are the people that knocked him out of GSL super tournament 2 and GSL vs the World. I favor serral over dark, rogue and TY, but ZvZ is a weird match up so we will see.
But Maru is clearly not playing how he normally does in both of those tournaments. He deviated from his proxy every game strat vs Stats and he definitely didn't seem to take his match vs sOs as seriously as his GSL matches. The context of the losses are more important than the losses themselves, and the context of his super tournament 2 and gsl vs the world losses point to Maru relaxing a bit and taking those games less seriously than usual.
Serral's ZvZ is incredible and I would be beyond shocked if he lost to Dark. The European scene has always been a bit of a specialist region in the ZvZ match up and Serral has managed to take firm control over it. Serral also proved himself in TvZ and ZvZ at GSL vs The World. I would not be surprised if they meet in the finals
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On October 30 2018 05:45 washikie wrote:
I think SOS might mess up the maru vs serral final people are hoping for. SOS definitely has the potential to beat maru, especially in a tournament like this where maru does not have time to do heavy prep for the games. SOS knows maru inside and out and his volatile style might be enough to eliminate him. I sense an upset coming. Rooting for maru to win the whole thing though.
Except Maru's style isn't all that volatile. If it was, he wouldn't have won 3 GSLs in a row, a feat literally no player has ever accomplished before. Maru does proxy, yes, but he has managed to turn proxying into a safe, reliable opener that's hard to punish.
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On October 30 2018 06:25 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 05:45 washikie wrote:
I think SOS might mess up the maru vs serral final people are hoping for. SOS definitely has the potential to beat maru, especially in a tournament like this where maru does not have time to do heavy prep for the games. SOS knows maru inside and out and his volatile style might be enough to eliminate him. I sense an upset coming. Rooting for maru to win the whole thing though. Except Maru's style isn't all that volatile. If it was, he wouldn't have won 3 GSLs in a row, a feat literally no player has ever accomplished before. Maru does proxy, yes, but he has managed to turn proxying into a safe, reliable opener that's hard to punish.
I believe he's referring to sOs who always has a bag of tricks
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I think Serral beats Dark as he has advantage of practicing zvz with his EU fellowers Lambo and Nerchio, while Dark has none to practice with as Rogue has to focus on zvt vs TY.
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I hope for a TvT final. Make it happen!
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On October 30 2018 06:53 Slydie wrote:
I hope for a TvT final. Make it happen!
After watching the signatures series with special, i am kind of like the idea of TY vs Special! It would be so much fun to watch the two good friends playing in the finals.
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They basically asked the 2nd place finishers in the group what matches they wanted and gave it to them. But I don't give a stuffed animal, because it looks decent. I want SpeCial to win and Dark to completely bop Serral for revenge, but who knows?
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On October 29 2018 21:41 BlingBlang wrote:
Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's.
From what i recall there was a lot of 3-2 from Serall in ZvZ
3-2 vs Scarlett two times, 3-2 vs Lambo, 4-3 vs Reynor... Yeah i'm not sure that's his best matchup
Rooting for a Stats vs TY final
EDIT : i just noticed that serral isn't on the TLPD top 10 list lol (it's still hots)
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Can't wait for serral vs dark. CAN"T FKNG WAIT.
Maru > sOs 3:1 , maybe.. maybe 3:2............
Stats > Special 3:1 / 3:2 maximum..  i hope i wrong
TY > Rogue ? i think serral would rekt ty so easily, just watch the games between lambo and ty. serral could play x4 better and ty have no a little chance..
Serral > Dark 3:1
to be honest we all know that serral's macro is much better than all zergs. super stable and so smart. always scouting and also petroling with zerglings against drops.... guys you really think dark will beat serral in best of 5?. the only way i see dark win is in short games not in long macro games but even in short games he will lose.... dark is idiot, the risks he is taking vs rogue & vs solar is very bad risks. serral and dark are opposites.
will be so stressing to watch those games.. i think this serral is a bit better than the serral we know because of all the crazy practicing...dark too,,. 3:1 serral.. i won't be surprised if we will see 3:0  P..
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On October 30 2018 08:12 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 21:41 BlingBlang wrote:
Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's. From what i recall there was a lot of 3-2 from Serall in ZvZ 3-2 vs Scarlett two times, 3-2 vs Lambo, 4-3 vs Reynor... Yeah i'm not sure that's his best matchup Rooting for a Stats vs TY final EDIT : i just noticed that serral isn't on the TLPD top 10 list lol (it's still hots)
They actually discussed this on the couch during WCS and sure Serrals zvz in that particular tournament were really really close. He looked mortal there. What Rotti pointed out was that Serral ahs been incredibly dominant in the zvz matchup the whole year, only dropping maps in that one tournament.
Sure its the most recent tournament so its relevant to discuss but if you're going to bring that point up also remember Serral has dominated all year and the players that took those maps off of Serral played very specific styles to counter him. Serral won because he adapted his playstyles fluidly. Yeah so after being super dominant for the last six months the EU zergs found kinks in his armor after analyzing his playstyle but the fact that they did all that and still didn't manage to upset him says a lot. I woudl say Serrals zvz is crazy scary, I believe he is favoured against Dark and Rogue (even though I believe in Rogue getting the win if the match happens).
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* if ty will play the same he have no chance against rogue, dunno ty seems a bit bad now against top zergs...
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On October 30 2018 08:45 ProtoisProtois wrote:
* if ty will play the same he have no chance against rogue, dunno ty seems a bit bad now against top zergs...
Ty can roll Rogue if he does the bio to mech thor+liberators build that maru is so deadly with. I think Ty will 3-1 if he gets his build orders right.
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I´m rooting for Serral, but Dark is a damn scary opponent, especially in a rematch after losing the first series. Sure, maybe he has no good practice conditions, but when he looks at Montreal he can study a ton on how to beat Serral in a ZvZ. For me, everything is possible here, even a 3-0 for either player.
Now that i´ve got over my disappointment of the Neeb and Showtime rematch curses, i can´t wait to see the quarterfinals. :D
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serral is gonna 3-0 dark, dark is inferior in every way.
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$o$ vs Serral final, and $o$ will prevail for every Blizzcon he attended.
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On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that.
Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year.
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On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year.
And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that.
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anyone could win. every single one of these players can play out of their minds on the right day. no idea who will win
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I predict Stats Dark take out sOs Rogue but other wise, we agree
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Jin Air gonna win this thing no matter what. Serral wont
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Russian Federation183 Posts
Blizzcon is a serious competition for a huge paycheck and respect. Your predictions are hilarious. I don't really see Maru losing to anyone here. Maybe to Stats only. So it's Maru or Rogue winning the whole thing
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Sucks for Maru that he has to play sOs. Also sucks for Serral he drew ZvZ. Guess it'll have to be an sOs vs. Rogue finals. Let the battle of returning Blizzcon champions commence!
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as shitty as SoS's play was, you can never count him out, he is a very smart dude and he knows Maru's play better than anyone left.
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From the very start of the tournament I have the feeling that Stats will take it all. But this really depends whether sOs beats Maru in the Ro8. It is not about who is my favorite and close to heart, but somehow Stats proves that he is really ready to shine, he is still pretty well balanced and solid, no shakes, no mistakes, nothing too crazy, nothing too risky, perfect army composition which is universal no matter of which race he is against with. Probably Rogue vs TY will be the other great match for the whole grand finals along with Special vs Classic. Most of the people really predict 3:2 as a result, yeah, many people vote for Rogue, but both could win with 3:2 in the last second.
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On October 29 2018 20:30 Dave4 wrote:
Hi guys,
Here's the results in prophetic order:
Maru 3-1 sHy
Special 1-3 Stats
Rogue 3-2 TY
Dark 0-3 Serral
Maru 3-2 Stats
Rogue 0-3 Serral
Maru 0-4 Serral
GG.
I can't wait to see it.
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On October 30 2018 17:28 EEk1TwEEk wrote:
Blizzcon is a serious competition for a huge paycheck and respect. Your predictions are hilarious. I don't really see sOs losing to anyone here.
ftfy
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Hoping for either Maru, sOs or Stats to win.
Dark would be cool too but I don't really see it happening
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On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that.
You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously?
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On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously?
It was bo5
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This will be the ultimate test for Serral's zvz. I think he can beat Dark again, then he should go up vs. Rogue, which is a coin flip match.
Somehow I've got the feeling, that we might end up with Stats as world champion.
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On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously?
Losing 3-0 in the ro4 of one of the biggest tournaments of the year isn't significant. Losing a bo1 showmatch is worth bringing up every other thread.
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On October 30 2018 21:21 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? It was bo5
Oops  Thanks
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On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously?
What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food.
And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before).
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On October 30 2018 23:49 Rodya wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food. And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before).
I don't mind mentioning it, but dont' take it on the same level as WESG.
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Funny how Maru and Serral have the hardest route to grandfinal (most likely 2x TvP and 2x ZvZ). Both would prefer any other opponent.
edit: If you swap Maru and Serral spots, both would have the easiest route to grandfinal.
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On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that.
Don't forget how Maru played in this bo1. You shouldn't even emphasize this match.
He doesnt play like that against top zergs when the match is important.
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On October 30 2018 23:49 Rodya wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food. And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before).
People are already brainwashed that they think serral is the most successful sc2 player of all time, someone was asking this exact question on stream.
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On October 31 2018 00:02 Dingodile wrote:
Funny how Maru and Serral have the hardest route to grandfinal (most likely 2x TvP and 2x ZvZ). Both would prefer any other opponent.
edit: If you swap Maru and Serral spots, both would have the easiest route to grandfinal.
Why would Maru have an easier road vs Z? He said himself that he feels most comfortable in TvP, and if you've watched GSL it's not too hard to believe that statement, seeing how he dismantled Stats, Zest x2 and Classic. His TvZ's on the other hand were always pretty close series...
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On October 29 2018 21:41 BlingBlang wrote:
Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's.
Given all the Zergs in Europe, this is actually a really interesting point. Serral has been an absolute machine, and his ZvZ is terrific.
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Then remember soO vs Serral.
Even though he is the favourite dont think it will be an easy match against Dark.
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I hope Dark 3-0's Serral and shuts down all the annoying foreign hype.
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On October 31 2018 02:18 Devin1 wrote:
I hope Dark 3-0's Serral and shuts down all the annoying foreign hype.
People have been saying this all year :p.
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On October 31 2018 00:02 Dingodile wrote:
Funny how Maru and Serral have the hardest route to grandfinal (most likely 2x TvP and 2x ZvZ). Both would prefer any other opponent.
edit: If you swap Maru and Serral spots, both would have the easiest route to grandfinal.
Serral would be seriously threatened by Stats (~40%), Maru (~60%), TY (~45%), Rogue (~50%), and Dark (~40%). (Stats is better against T and P.)
Maru would be seriously threatened by sOs (~55%), Stats (~45%), and Serral (~40%).
So I agree that Maru has the hardest route, because he got paired with the one protoss that makes him look silly.
On the other hand, sOs could win the whole thing, but only if he doesn't need to play PvZ, meaning TY gets through somehow.
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On October 31 2018 02:27 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:18 Devin1 wrote:
I hope Dark 3-0's Serral and shuts down all the annoying foreign hype. People have been saying this all year :p.
yeah... Serral getting 3-0ed doesn't shut down the hype around him
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Luckily we still have aam spam and pretty much as experienced of a Serral on the bigger stage potentially vs maru so surely that 3-0 almost 8 months ago is extremely relevant (also serral didn't make any of the games competetive ...just like he wouldn't make them competetive this weekend).
Hyperbole is fun though.
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On October 31 2018 02:18 Devin1 wrote:
I hope Dark 3-0's Serral and shuts down all the annoying foreign hype.
The hockey gifs cannot be stopped.
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On October 30 2018 23:49 Rodya wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food. And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before).
My point for you numbskulls is that you keep citing results from the early year that happen to favor your thoughts, while conveniently forgetting whatever happened in the rest of the year, including Maru losing to SOS out of all people in last GSL invitational and Serral walking over pretty much everyone in the rest of the year.
User was warned for this post
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i would love that results !
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On October 31 2018 00:02 Dingodile wrote:
Funny how Maru and Serral have the hardest route to grandfinal
I'm surprised by this opinion. What about all the people who have to beat either Maru or Serral to get to the grand final (everyone else)? Is it really that much easier for them?
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Maru 3-2 sOs
Special 1-3 Stats
TY 1-3 Rogue
Serral 3-2 Dark
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On October 31 2018 04:11 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 00:02 Dingodile wrote:
Funny how Maru and Serral have the hardest route to grandfinal I'm surprised by this opinion. What about all the people who have to beat either Maru or Serral to get to the grand final (everyone else)? Is it really that much easier for them?
I am sorry, I was only thinking about that two players. They got the worst opponents (TvP and ZvZ in ro8 and ro4 most likely) in my opinion. I really really want Maru vs Serral at grandfinal.
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special gets to R04 no problem. can he beat maru tho? i think so.
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On October 31 2018 04:11 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 00:02 Dingodile wrote:
Funny how Maru and Serral have the hardest route to grandfinal I'm surprised by this opinion. What about all the people who have to beat either Maru or Serral to get to the grand final (everyone else)? Is it really that much easier for them?
Yes.
Stats and Dark have it easy.
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Tbh, it's really hard to give a prediction this year. Literally everyone could become the next champion. Judging from the performances last weekend I'd say:
Maru - sOs 3:1
Special - Stats 2:3
Rogue - TY 3:1
Dark - Serral 2:3
Maru - Special 3:1
Rogue - Serral 2:3
Maru - Serral 4:3
However, if TY and sOs get back into their form everything might change again.
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On October 31 2018 03:35 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 23:49 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food. And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before). My point for you numbskulls is that you keep citing results from the early year that happen to favor your thoughts, while conveniently forgetting whatever happened in the rest of the year, including Maru losing to SOS out of all people in last GSL invitational and Serral walking over pretty much everyone in the rest of the year. User was warned for this post
I wouldn't consider 3-2ing / 4-3ing his way to Montreal walking over everyone though.
And that Maru vs sOs was kinda like Serral vs Neeb
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On October 31 2018 06:54 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 03:35 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 23:49 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food. And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before). My point for you numbskulls is that you keep citing results from the early year that happen to favor your thoughts, while conveniently forgetting whatever happened in the rest of the year, including Maru losing to SOS out of all people in last GSL invitational and Serral walking over pretty much everyone in the rest of the year. User was warned for this post I wouldn't consider 3-2ing / 4-3ing his way to Montreal walking over everyone though. And that Maru vs sOs was kinda like Serral vs Neeb
It was a bit of hyperbole but you got the point. I'm not denying that Maru is really good, but i just hate these kind of people completely undermining everything Serral has achieved and deciding he is worth nothing because of something that happened at the early year.
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On October 31 2018 02:18 Devin1 wrote:
I hope Dark 3-0's Serral and shuts down all the annoying foreign hype.
Yeah, all you foreigner cheering TLers shut your mouths already! Both of you!
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On October 31 2018 07:33 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:18 Devin1 wrote:
I hope Dark 3-0's Serral and shuts down all the annoying foreign hype. Yeah, all you foreigner cheering TLers shut your mouths already! Both of you!
One has already been banned so that's one down
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On October 31 2018 07:08 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 06:54 Poopi wrote:On October 31 2018 03:35 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 23:49 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:On October 29 2018 21:24 Geo.Rion wrote:
After watching that series vs Classic im getting on the Juanito train
Maru 3 -0 SoS
Stats 2 - 3 Special
Rogue 3 - 2 TY
Dark 0 - 3 Serral
Maru 3 -1 Special
Serral 3 - 1 Rogue
Maru ? - ? Serral Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food. And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before). My point for you numbskulls is that you keep citing results from the early year that happen to favor your thoughts, while conveniently forgetting whatever happened in the rest of the year, including Maru losing to SOS out of all people in last GSL invitational and Serral walking over pretty much everyone in the rest of the year. User was warned for this post I wouldn't consider 3-2ing / 4-3ing his way to Montreal walking over everyone though. And that Maru vs sOs was kinda like Serral vs Neeb It was a bit of hyperbole but you got the point. I'm not denying that Maru is really good, but i just hate these kind of people completely undermining everything Serral has achieved and deciding he is worth nothing because of something that happened at the early year.
Who says serral is worth nothing? People bring up the 0-3 against Maru because others seem to think a bo1 showmatch makes someone the best in the world.
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On October 31 2018 08:07 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 07:08 Luolis wrote:On October 31 2018 06:54 Poopi wrote:On October 31 2018 03:35 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 23:49 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:On October 29 2018 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
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Special played great, but Classic has been a foreigner punching bag this year lol. Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food. And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before). My point for you numbskulls is that you keep citing results from the early year that happen to favor your thoughts, while conveniently forgetting whatever happened in the rest of the year, including Maru losing to SOS out of all people in last GSL invitational and Serral walking over pretty much everyone in the rest of the year. User was warned for this post I wouldn't consider 3-2ing / 4-3ing his way to Montreal walking over everyone though. And that Maru vs sOs was kinda like Serral vs Neeb It was a bit of hyperbole but you got the point. I'm not denying that Maru is really good, but i just hate these kind of people completely undermining everything Serral has achieved and deciding he is worth nothing because of something that happened at the early year. Who says serral is worth nothing? People bring up the 0-3 against Maru because others seem to think a bo1 showmatch makes someone the best in the world.
Well if you read Rodya's and some other peoples posts, it's not too hard to get into that conclusion.
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On October 31 2018 07:33 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 02:18 Devin1 wrote:
I hope Dark 3-0's Serral and shuts down all the annoying foreign hype. Yeah, all you foreigner cheering TLers shut your mouths already! Both of you!
Because TL represents the entire sc2 community.
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On October 31 2018 08:27 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 08:07 Fango wrote:On October 31 2018 07:08 Luolis wrote:On October 31 2018 06:54 Poopi wrote:On October 31 2018 03:35 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 23:49 Rodya wrote:On October 30 2018 21:10 deacon.frost wrote:On October 30 2018 12:12 Luolis wrote:On October 30 2018 11:49 ProFalseIdol wrote:On October 29 2018 22:49 Rodya wrote:
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Yeah it's not like he completely embarassed Serral at IEM Katowice... wait he did do that. Maru also made Serral literally a punching bag during their BO3 at WESG this year. And afterwards Serral walked over Classic and beat Maru in a bo1 at a korean event that he won. But obviously only the results at the early year count, why don't we just forget everything else that happened after that. You really value BO1 of fun match the same as BO3 of a tournament? Seriously? What is with the misinformation in this these TL threads? Maru won a Bo5 against Serral at WESG. It was only 3 games though because Maru dismantled Serral in each game. Watch game 3 if you want to see Maru play with his food. And the Bo1 that Maru and Serral played doesn't count, but Serral fans of course will deny this lol, just like they deny his losses to Classic and Maru this year (how often do you hear Serral fans say that he has won every tournament that he has attended? I've actually heard Incontrol say this before). My point for you numbskulls is that you keep citing results from the early year that happen to favor your thoughts, while conveniently forgetting whatever happened in the rest of the year, including Maru losing to SOS out of all people in last GSL invitational and Serral walking over pretty much everyone in the rest of the year. User was warned for this post I wouldn't consider 3-2ing / 4-3ing his way to Montreal walking over everyone though. And that Maru vs sOs was kinda like Serral vs Neeb It was a bit of hyperbole but you got the point. I'm not denying that Maru is really good, but i just hate these kind of people completely undermining everything Serral has achieved and deciding he is worth nothing because of something that happened at the early year. Who says serral is worth nothing? People bring up the 0-3 against Maru because others seem to think a bo1 showmatch makes someone the best in the world. Well if you read Rodya's and some other peoples posts, it's not too hard to get into that conclusion.
I don't think that Serral is worth nothing and I have of course never said that. I don't think 1) that it's clear he's a top 2 player in the world (ergo second best) and 2) that it's clear that he's the best zerg in the world.
To some people (namely Serral fans) these two statements are offensive. I admit that I thought Serral was a lot worse before GSL vs The World (can you really blame me though? his only international results were WESG and IEM, and his results in previous years were worse), but afterwards I have always maintained that while is a strong player, we do not yet have the evidence for those two statements. If he beats Dark, beats Rogue/TY, and then beats Maru in the finals I will update my opinion of him. I don't jump to conclusions - just like I didn't think that Action > Effort after ASL groups.
Lastly, I do not think that him beating Dark last time is proof that he's better than Dark. Now that Dark has known about Serral and has a week to prepare, we'll see if Serral can play ball (and no redshift shenanigans this time either).
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We'll see! I look forward to (I hope) Serral beating Dark.
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I really hope Dark just stomps Serral out of Blizzcon so his fans can quiet down a bit. Every TL thread is so annoying right now. Serral is the best foreigner ever, has the second best results of 2018 so far, and is at minimum a top 5 player currently skill-wise potentially higher but there isn't enough data vs top players to say any better than that. I don't get why his fans can't just take that for now. That is already absolutely amazing. If he wins Blizzcon that can be re-evaluated but that is really all that can be said about him if looked at objectively. Anything beyond that is just pure fanboy talk.
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On October 31 2018 14:47 JJH777 wrote:
I really hope Dark just stomps Serral out of Blizzcon so his fans can quiet down a bit. Every TL thread is so annoying right now. Serral is the best foreigner ever, has the second best results of 2018 so far, and is at minimum a top 5 player currently skill-wise potentially higher but there isn't enough data vs top players to say any better than that. I don't get why his fans can't just take that for now. That is already absolutely amazing. If he wins Blizzcon that can be re-evaluated but that is really all that can be said about him if looked at objectively. Anything beyond that is just pure fanboy talk.
Pretty sure people said the same before Korea vs the World, before his 2nd WCS win, before his 3rd WCS win and before his fourth WCS win.
"Yeah Guys Serral is good but come on he is only 300 Points above everyone else on the Ladder, won every WCS Tournament this Year, won korea vs the world beating all the best koreans and 4:0ed his Group at Blizzcon against Zest and sOs. Sure he is good but he needs to win atleast Blizzcon 2018 and Blizzcon 2019 before we can really call him the best player in the world."
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i feel like both extremes are wrong (like its often the case in all fields):
Yes, Serral did lose some games and got beaten by maru in the beginning of the year.
Yes, he can lose and isnt unbeatable.
On the other hand:
Yes, Serral pretty much owned the WCS events.
Yes, he went on par with the best koreans: stats, dark and maru in the recent global event (GSL Super Tournament).
We can surely say that he is on the same level as the top koreans and we can say that he isnt unbeatable.
If he wins or loses at blizzcon doesnt say if he is worth or better than the top koreans. he could win it cuz he is on the same lvl. but its equally likely that he will be beaten from dark, ty, rogue or someone else.
why dont we just appreciate that we have one foreigner that is clearly on the highest skill level and have elite koreans that go par with him and maybe will beat him with good preparation?
someone with good game knowlede cant deny that serrals macro, micro and multitasking is on the same level like the top koreans. the winner of serral against dark (ty, rogue ...) will be decided through form of the day and preperation.
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So, the current problem of starcraft is "can the non-korean player win fcking Blizzcon"?
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On October 31 2018 17:52 Railgan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 14:47 JJH777 wrote:
I really hope Dark just stomps Serral out of Blizzcon so his fans can quiet down a bit. Every TL thread is so annoying right now. Serral is the best foreigner ever, has the second best results of 2018 so far, and is at minimum a top 5 player currently skill-wise potentially higher but there isn't enough data vs top players to say any better than that. I don't get why his fans can't just take that for now. That is already absolutely amazing. If he wins Blizzcon that can be re-evaluated but that is really all that can be said about him if looked at objectively. Anything beyond that is just pure fanboy talk. Pretty sure people said the same before Korea vs the World, before his 2nd WCS win, before his 3rd WCS win and before his fourth WCS win. "Yeah Guys Serral is good but come on he is only 300 Points above everyone else on the Ladder, won every WCS Tournament this Year, won korea vs the world beating all the best koreans and 4:0ed his Group at Blizzcon against Zest and sOs. Sure he is good but he needs to win atleast Blizzcon 2018 and Blizzcon 2019 before we can really call him the best player in the world."
and which of those results puts him above the top koreans?
He won a tournament in which all the top players competed - so did Stats, Classic, Rogue and Maru×3.
He won all WCS tournaments but looking at the winrates of top koreans vs foreigners it's highly likely they would've done the same in Serral's spot. Hell, Neeb won 3/4 WCS tournaments last year and got bopped at every global event minus Kespa Cup in 2016.
Serral may be the 2nd best or even best player in the world but there just isn't any data that supports this claim and until there is claiming he's the best is just annoying fanboy talk.
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On October 31 2018 17:52 Railgan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 14:47 JJH777 wrote:
I really hope Dark just stomps Serral out of Blizzcon so his fans can quiet down a bit. Every TL thread is so annoying right now. Serral is the best foreigner ever, has the second best results of 2018 so far, and is at minimum a top 5 player currently skill-wise potentially higher but there isn't enough data vs top players to say any better than that. I don't get why his fans can't just take that for now. That is already absolutely amazing. If he wins Blizzcon that can be re-evaluated but that is really all that can be said about him if looked at objectively. Anything beyond that is just pure fanboy talk. Pretty sure people said the same before Korea vs the World, before his 2nd WCS win, before his 3rd WCS win and before his fourth WCS win. "Yeah Guys Serral is good but come on he is only 300 Points above everyone else on the Ladder, won every WCS Tournament this Year, won korea vs the world beating all the best koreans and 4:0ed his Group at Blizzcon against Zest and sOs. Sure he is good but he needs to win atleast Blizzcon 2018 and Blizzcon 2019 before we can really call him the best player in the world."
Most of the people say - yes, Serral is good, most probably in the top5 players we currently have, but we cannot say for sure because his games against another top players(aka Koreans) are so limited and there's so few of them, that we cannot say for sure. And some of these people get annoyed when you say he's the best of the best, because he won 1 invitational tournament where most Koreans didn't even know him and 1 BO1 of a showmatch... This devaluates GSL Code S so much. And it's not just his fanboys, it's the casters too. Serral is the best because he won the group 4:0. Right after Maru dominated his group, dominated the harder competition and is playing with a race most foreigners don't know how to play and have to archon it to at least simulate Maru-like potential...
Do you get where I aim? Yes? No? Maybe?
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Yes, there will be Korean elitits and yes, there will be haters. Similarly there are WCS fanboys and Korean haters.
But most people accept where Serral is but are not fanboy enough to put him to the best without bigger number of matches played against the best. And that won't happen so you have to accept that too. Serral playes so few matches against the best that we cannot evaluate him properly. What we can do properly - we can say he's by far the best current WCS player. Because his game pool in WCS is big enough so we can make conclussions. FFS even the 3:0 from Maru is just 1 match which proves shit.
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6 -3 on the maps and 2 - 1 on the matches of the dark killed the serral
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i feel like both extremes are wrong (like its often the case in all fields):
Yes, Serral did lose some games and got beaten by maru in the beginning of the year.
Yes, he can lose and isnt unbeatable.
On the other hand:
Yes, Serral pretty much owned the WCS events.
Yes, he went on par with the best koreans: stats, dark and maru in the recent global event (GSL Super Tournament).
We can surely say that he is on the same level as the top koreans and we can say that he isnt unbeatable.
If he wins or loses at blizzcon doesnt say if he is worth or better than the top koreans. he could win it cuz he is on the same lvl. but its equally likely that he will be beaten from dark, ty, rogue or someone else.
why dont we just appreciate that we have one foreigner that is clearly on the highest skill level and have elite koreans that go par with him and maybe will beat him with good preparation?
someone with good game knowlede cant deny that serrals macro, micro and multitasking is on the same level like the top koreans. the winner of serral against dark (ty, rogue ...) will be decided through form of the day and preperation.
To much common sense here, this is clearly an emotional argument that is taking place. Don't bring logic and thought into it.
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The saddest thing in my opinion is that if serral does lose in ro8 there will be people pretending that he never had a chance to win the tournament in the first place. I think it's pretty clear to see that he has the skill to win it, but that doesn't always mean it will happen.Hopefully he can prove atleast some of the doubters wrong.
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Maru has such unforgiving strong TvP. I wonder if Stats will be able to adjust his play based on what he sees in sOs vs. Maru.
TY isn't gonna beat Rogue.
I think Serral vs. Maru is a most likely outcome, but Stats gets to play Bo5's and then a Bo7 against Serral. I think he will ruin it for everyone and become champion. Counting out Stats is a bad idea.
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On November 01 2018 00:58 jeputera wrote:Show nested quote +i feel like both extremes are wrong (like its often the case in all fields):
Yes, Serral did lose some games and got beaten by maru in the beginning of the year.
Yes, he can lose and isnt unbeatable.
On the other hand:
Yes, Serral pretty much owned the WCS events.
Yes, he went on par with the best koreans: stats, dark and maru in the recent global event (GSL Super Tournament).
We can surely say that he is on the same level as the top koreans and we can say that he isnt unbeatable.
If he wins or loses at blizzcon doesnt say if he is worth or better than the top koreans. he could win it cuz he is on the same lvl. but its equally likely that he will be beaten from dark, ty, rogue or someone else.
why dont we just appreciate that we have one foreigner that is clearly on the highest skill level and have elite koreans that go par with him and maybe will beat him with good preparation?
someone with good game knowlede cant deny that serrals macro, micro and multitasking is on the same level like the top koreans. the winner of serral against dark (ty, rogue ...) will be decided through form of the day and preperation. To much common sense here, this is clearly an emotional argument that is taking place. Don't bring logic and thought into it.
Lol! truth.
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On November 01 2018 07:15 vyzion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2018 00:58 jeputera wrote:i feel like both extremes are wrong (like its often the case in all fields):
Yes, Serral did lose some games and got beaten by maru in the beginning of the year.
Yes, he can lose and isnt unbeatable.
On the other hand:
Yes, Serral pretty much owned the WCS events.
Yes, he went on par with the best koreans: stats, dark and maru in the recent global event (GSL Super Tournament).
We can surely say that he is on the same level as the top koreans and we can say that he isnt unbeatable.
If he wins or loses at blizzcon doesnt say if he is worth or better than the top koreans. he could win it cuz he is on the same lvl. but its equally likely that he will be beaten from dark, ty, rogue or someone else.
why dont we just appreciate that we have one foreigner that is clearly on the highest skill level and have elite koreans that go par with him and maybe will beat him with good preparation?
someone with good game knowlede cant deny that serrals macro, micro and multitasking is on the same level like the top koreans. the winner of serral against dark (ty, rogue ...) will be decided through form of the day and preperation. To much common sense here, this is clearly an emotional argument that is taking place. Don't bring logic and thought into it. Lol! truth.
I disagree with the idea that Serral v Maru single game in the GSL v. World means anything. First, you could tell Maru was disappointed that he wasn't going to represent his own team of koreans but instead a random roster ( Whose stupid idea was it to not havve literal GSL vs. the World?) and furthermore, it wasn't even a best of 3. Aligulac puts Maru v. Serral at 65% Maru in best of 1, 71% in a best of 3, 76% in a best of 5, and 79% in a best of 7. If you were to ask me how much I would bet on something with sub-70% odds, it would not be more than 500.000 won.
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On October 30 2018 08:42 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 08:12 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 29 2018 21:41 BlingBlang wrote:
Anyone that thinks Dark or Rogue stands a chance against Serral's ZvZ is crazy. I'd give Lambo or Elazer more chance than any Korean zerg. Korean ZvZ is so far behind Europe's. From what i recall there was a lot of 3-2 from Serall in ZvZ 3-2 vs Scarlett two times, 3-2 vs Lambo, 4-3 vs Reynor... Yeah i'm not sure that's his best matchup Rooting for a Stats vs TY final EDIT : i just noticed that serral isn't on the TLPD top 10 list lol (it's still hots) They actually discussed this on the couch during WCS and sure Serrals zvz in that particular tournament were really really close. He looked mortal there. What Rotti pointed out was that Serral ahs been incredibly dominant in the zvz matchup the whole year, only dropping maps in that one tournament. Sure its the most recent tournament so its relevant to discuss but if you're going to bring that point up also remember Serral has dominated all year and the players that took those maps off of Serral played very specific styles to counter him. Serral won because he adapted his playstyles fluidly. Yeah so after being super dominant for the last six months the EU zergs found kinks in his armor after analyzing his playstyle but the fact that they did all that and still didn't manage to upset him says a lot. I woudl say Serrals zvz is crazy scary, I believe he is favoured against Dark and Rogue (even though I believe in Rogue getting the win if the match happens).
Yeah i know but he also played mostly lesser players then the Blizzcon ones. And i agree and disagree with you. Rogue is favor over serall and rogue will win 
Recent matches matters a lot more than what happened a year back. It's like talking about Maru's style in WoL (i'm exagerating on purpose) so i wouldn't be so sure if seralls superitory.
That's if he can beat Dark :p He did beat him so maybe. But i don't see it.
And there's that part of me that want serral to win it all so region lock can gtfo
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On October 29 2018 23:06 dr3am_b3ing wrote:
Absolutely think Stats is going to take this
Yeah anybody who expected Maru to even take a game is silly, and I'm a major Maru fanboy. When your bag of tricks is one bag against the most unorthodox Protoss of all time you need to have more than just proxying in your back pocket. Better luck next year
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My God all you Maru d*ckriders and hangers on look dumb as hell right now... Eat balls.
User was warned for this post
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[B] EDIT : i just noticed that serral isn't on the TLPD top 10 list lol (it's still hots) They actually discussed this on the couch during WCS and sure Serrals zvz in that particular tournament were really really close. He looked mortal there. What Rotti pointed out was that Serral ahs been incredibly dominant in the zvz matchup the whole year, only dropping maps in that one tournament. Sure its the most recent tournament so its relevant to discuss but if you're going to bring that point up also remember Serral has dominated all year and the players that took those maps off of Serral played very specific styles to counter him. Serral won because he adapted his playstyles fluidly. Yeah so after being super dominant for the last six months the EU zergs found kinks in his armor after analyzing his playstyle but the fact that they did all that and still didn't manage to upset him says a lot. I woudl say Serrals zvz is crazy scary, I believe he is favoured against Dark and Rogue (even though I believe in Rogue getting the win if the match happens) Yeah i know but he also played mostly lesser players then the Blizzcon ones. And i agree and disagree with you. Rogue is favor over serall and rogue will win Recent matches matters a lot more than what happened a year back. It's like talking about Maru's style in WoL (i'm exagerating on purpose) so i wouldn't be so sure if seralls superitory. That's if he can beat Dark :p He did beat him so maybe. But i don't see it. And there's that part of me that want serral to win it all so region lock can gtfo
LOL! You'd think with so many statements that one would be right...too bad, try again next tourney though bud! Your whole prediction line is already trashed in the semis lol - thanks for the giggles bud.
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EPT
2018 WCS Global Finals
Maru and 
Serral were placed into their own pot and, naturally, drawn on opposite sides of the bracket, setting up a potential grand finals between the two. This was explained due to the WCS points standings featuring into the draw. 
Stats and ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/P3KApGE.png)
