EPTMaru vs Zest - GSL Grand Finals Preview - Page 3
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On June 22 2018 17:27 Dumbledore wrote: Zest 4 - 1 Maru this ZEST IS BEST | ||
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stevemachine17
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
At the same time he has to have practiced responses to the various proxy nonsense that Maru loves. His defense against TY's wasn't good enough and Maru won't hesitate to throw them out if he smells any sort of weakness to them. It's an uphill battle for Zest, but by no means impossible. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On June 22 2018 17:38 Olli wrote: I think Zest will have to be at his very best, and he'll have to have solid stuff prepared - but not the stuff Classic did. Swift kill moves, no proxy gateway into wonky transition stuff. Immortal/prism, SG/adept all in, that kinda thing. But I also think he stands a good chance in standard macro games if he doesn't take damage early. Patience almost 2-0'd Maru, including a SG/charge game that he should absolutely have won. Zest owns that build and if he gets into a similar spot he won't lose. At the same time he has to have practiced responses to the various proxy nonsense that Maru loves. His defense against TY's wasn't good enough and Maru won't hesitate to throw them out if he smells any sort of weakness to them. It's an uphill battle for Zest, but by no means impossible. Mmm, yeah, baby, Oil is ready. And Olli is ready too, to blow up because of sweet love to Zest. Mmmm. It's good when you desire and it's so cool when you have feelings. Right? | ||
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RandomPlayer
Russian Federation400 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33497 Posts
1) I liked how clever Zest was with mixing in all-ins/aggressive builds against TY 2) Maru isn't as greedy as TY, but he has that 'great Terran' gene of making needlessly risky greed plays. I'm going to laugh when he auto loses a game because he places a CC directly at his natural or third in a situation where he could easily have just floated it. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Nice preview, but I don't believe in Zest. | ||
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CoyFish_
Australia13 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On June 22 2018 22:08 Waxangel wrote: I like Zest to take 1~2 maps 1) I liked how clever Zest was with mixing in all-ins/aggressive builds against TY 2) Maru isn't as greedy as TY, but he has that 'great Terran' gene of making needlessly risky greed plays. I'm going to laugh when he auto loses a game because he places a CC directly at his natural or third in a situation where he could easily have just floated it. Maru's play in recent times--his accurate reading of his opponents in preparation, his game sense, and his remarkable jump in "realism" (knowing what he can get away with and not thinking he can push it farther on the strengths of his micro alone)--leads me to think that this is unlikely to be how Maru goes down without some sOs-squared levels of trickery. But you never know, maybe he'll suddenly channel his old mentor MKP. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On June 22 2018 23:54 neutralrobot wrote: Maru's play in recent times--his accurate reading of his opponents in preparation, his game sense, and his remarkable jump in "realism" (knowing what he can get away with and not thinking he can push it farther on the strengths of his micro alone)--leads me to think that this is unlikely to be how Maru goes down without some sOs-squared levels of trickery. But you never know, maybe he'll suddenly channel his old mentor MKP. Don't jinx it. + Show Spoiler + Maru has won GSL S2. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
He was so good that people thought that was the highest level of skill anyone could achieve in SC2. I still remember some of his games from back then where he just oozed of class and was just way above everyone at that time. Sort of like how Lebron James dominates everyone in the NBA. Maru have been good at times and definitely this year, but i just don't get the same feeling of domination that i got when seeing Zest back in his prime. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Still though, counting him out completely isn't called for. If the Kingslayer was ever to return, it would be to take the throne from the reigning champ. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Odd proxies and sharp timings will probably get Zest one win apiece, but I see macro games and his own aggression going Maru's way. He showed his mastery against Gateway/Storm in the semis, he made his name with Colossus snipes (against stronger Colossi, no less), and his entire multipronged micro-heavy style counters Disruptors cold. With sOs to help him out, I can't see Maru going on tilt from crazy cheese. Add all that to his own proxy craziness and Maru has literally all the bases covered. Zest has a chance, of course, but it's an terribly slim chance. Peak Zest might be slightly favored against current Maru but current Zest is far from his best. As it stands now, Maru is stronger than TY while Zest is weaker than Classic–and Maru trounced Classic while Zest barely scraped by TY. As long as Maru keeps his cool and plays like the Maru we know and love, this trophy is his to lose. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On June 22 2018 02:38 Olli wrote: Along with a Ro8 at BlizzCon? Yeah I don't see how what Maru did 2016-17 was any better than Zest's results after his peak in early 2016. Not that that is the point, though. Nobody in 16-17 considered Maru anywhere near a championship challenger, which for a player if his caliber qualifies as a slump. A bunch of Bo1s when Proleague was incredibly weak doesn't change that. "A bunch of Bo1s when Proleague was incredibly weak" LOL how was Proleague incredibly weak? If Proleague was incredibly weak then GSL was incredibly weak as well. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 23 2018 03:57 Charoisaur wrote: "A bunch of Bo1s when Proleague was incredibly weak" LOL how was Proleague incredibly weak? If Proleague was incredibly weak then GSL was incredibly weak as well. Because a lot of good people were either not playing SC2 seriously (Rogue, herO for example), others were simply not good at LotV yet (Classic for example), the overall level of play in Proleague was awful as people knew it was ending and teams would be disbanding, a lot of good players had already retired. Check who Maru played. I did, and aside from a few names it isn't impressive. Zest's HSC runs actually had more games against really good players - GSL champion Gumiho, Solar, ByuN, soon-to-be IEM champion Scarlett, SSL champion Stats. All Bo5+. I will take that over Bo1s against people like Blaze, Losira, etc. and a handful of good players in Bo1s every day. As for GSL, it wasn't as weak, because bad players get eliminated, you know? That doesn't happen in PL. | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 23 2018 04:28 Olli wrote: Because a lot of good people were either not playing SC2 seriously (Rogue, herO for example), others were simply not good at LotV yet (Classic for example), the overall level of play in Proleague was awful as people knew it was ending and teams would be disbanding, a lot of good players had already retired. Check who Maru played. I did, and aside from a few names it isn't impressive. Zest's HSC runs actually had more games against really good players - GSL champion Gumiho, Solar, ByuN, soon-to-be IEM champion Scarlett, SSL champion Stats. All Bo5+. I will take that over Bo1s against people like Blaze, Losira, etc. and a handful of good players in Bo1s every day. As for GSL, it wasn't as weak, because bad players get eliminated, you know? That doesn't happen in PL. "Check who Maru played. I did, and aside from a few names it isn't impressive." holy shit, you must be joking at this point... He took out Dear, INno, TY x3, Stats x2, Dark, Zest, Solar, Gumiho, aLive, Classic, ByuL, Bunny x2, Myungsik, Leenock, and Losira. That includes almost the entire top 10 of WCS Korea (minus ByuN). You simply cannot downplay proleague because of the supposed level of play, and then assume HSCs mean anything at all. HSC is not a serious premier event. No high level player prepares specifically for it, or for the opponents there. Players in proleague would be crying or dancing out of their seats after matches because it was an event of great importance, it was literally their job to perform there. Many times teams even forced players to practice for SPL over individual leagues. I doubt the top players even care that much if they win or lose there, so to put it's ridiculous for fans to give it the same weighting as proleague or starleagues. To value HSC highly is to value the minor LANs and online cups highly. The fact that Zest won HSC while failing to qualify for a GSL is not something worth highlighting. | ||
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