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Code S Ro32 concludes, Group Nominations on May 16

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
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Last Edited: 2018-05-14 23:01:16
May 14 2018 21:47 GMT
#1
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2018 GSL Code S: Season 2
The Code S Ro32 has concluded, and the results were remarkable in just how un-remarkably the group stage played out. Nary an upset was to be had, with the favored two players advancing from nearly every group (Scarlett's defeat at the hands of Patience was the only upset of sorts).

Before we move on to the Ro16 group stage, however, we must commence with one of the GSL's most entertaining traditions: The Group Nominations. Once again, progamers will regale us with trash talk, ass-kissing, and villain speeches about their master plans as they attempt to land themselves in the easiest RO16 group possible (check out our recap of the previous season's Group Nominations to get some idea of how the whole convoluted affair works).

Tune in to AfreecaTV on Wednesday, May 16 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) for the Group Nominations.

Round of 16 players

Terran (5): ByuN, Gumiho, Maru, TY, INnoVation
Protoss (7): Classic, Patience, sOs, Trap, Zest, Stats, Dear
Zerg (4): Solar, Rogue, soO, Dark
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2018-05-14 21:58:49
May 14 2018 21:55 GMT
#2
Patience is really the odd man out. Every single one of the other players is already a champion in their own right.

Technically, Patience is too since he won HSC, but all the other players have at least one more considerably impressive trophy to their name.
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
May 14 2018 22:04 GMT
#3
On May 15 2018 06:55 pvsnp wrote:
Patience is really the odd man out. Every single one of the other players is already a champion in their own right.

Technically, Patience is too since he won HSC, but all the other players have at least one more considerably impressive trophy to their name.

Patience's HSC title is comparable to soO's KeSPA cup title. They both won 4 series against Koreans along the way (Patience beat Zest twice, so he technically only beat 3 different Koreans).
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
May 14 2018 22:33 GMT
#4
On May 15 2018 07:04 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2018 06:55 pvsnp wrote:
Patience is really the odd man out. Every single one of the other players is already a champion in their own right.

Technically, Patience is too since he won HSC, but all the other players have at least one more considerably impressive trophy to their name.

Patience's HSC title is comparable to soO's KeSPA cup title. They both won 4 series against Koreans along the way (Patience beat Zest twice, so he technically only beat 3 different Koreans).


I'm pretty sure Zest's biceps are sentient. That makes it 5, not including the rematch.

OP: Sick line-up. Any of them could get to finals, though I don't imagine Patience will unless he is on DH form right nowm
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StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1652 Posts
May 14 2018 23:26 GMT
#5
Zest did it? I didn't even think of that. Good for him, hope his skill is back again.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
May 14 2018 23:32 GMT
#6
I would imagine the top 4 picks go something like Patience -> ByuN -> Solar -> Dear/Trap
almightytivi
Profile Joined April 2018
22 Posts
May 14 2018 23:38 GMT
#7
Yes, Zest did it. Barely.

Is ByuN one of the four horsemen? It's been so long since he's been good that I forgot... I remember Artosis saying the 4 horsement + Gumiho...

Sad days... and Scarlett and herO didn't make it...
EzioAs
Profile Joined September 2017
235 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-15 00:26:17
May 14 2018 23:44 GMT
#8
How I predict tomorrow's group nomination:

Prediction 1:

Group A. Maru > (1) Patience > (8) TY > (9) Rogue
Group B. soO > (4) Zest > (7) GuMiho > (10) Trap
Group C. Dark > (3) Dear > (6) INnoVation > (11) sOs
Group D. Stats > (2) ByuN > (5) Solar > (12) Classic

And then as the top seed, Maru will probably switch out Rogue with Solar, so in the end, it will look like this

Group A. Maru > Patience > TY > Solar
Group B. soO > Zest > GuMiho > Trap
Group C. Dark > Dear > INnoVation > sOs
Group D. Stats > ByuN > Rogue > Classic

Prediction 2: The Alternative

INnoVation will choose Classic instead of sOs

Group A. Maru > (1) Patience > (8) TY > (9) Rogue
Group B. soO > (4) Zest > (7) GuMiho > (10) Trap
Group C. Dark > (3) Dear > (6) INnoVation > (11) Classic
Group D. Stats > (2) ByuN > (5) Solar > (12) sOs

And then as the top seed, Maru will probably switch out Rogue with Dear, so in the end, it will look like this

Group A. Maru > Patience > TY > Dear
Group B. soO > Zest > GuMiho > Trap
Group C. Dark > Rogue > INnoVation > Classic
Group D. Stats > ByuN > Solar > sOs
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2018-05-15 00:03:12
May 14 2018 23:57 GMT
#9
On May 15 2018 08:38 almightytivi wrote:
Yes, Zest did it. Barely.

Is ByuN one of the four horsemen? It's been so long since he's been good that I forgot... I remember Artosis saying the 4 horsement + Gumiho...

Sad days... and Scarlett and herO didn't make it...


ByuN is technically one of the Four Horsemen, yes, though he hasn't really lived up to the name. All three of the other Horsemen (Inno, Maru, TY) have won multiple trophies since they got the title in early 2017 and enjoyed a reign as the best player in the world, whereas ByuN peaked at Blizzcon 2016.

In hindsight, Gumiho would've been a better choice than ByuN for the fourth spot, but hindsight is 20/20. Though Gumiho isn't really on the level of Inno/Maru/TY either, so maybe the Four Horsemen should've been the Three Titans or something.
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2623 Posts
May 15 2018 00:00 GMT
#10
On May 15 2018 06:55 pvsnp wrote:
Patience is really the odd man out. Every single one of the other players is already a champion in their own right.

Technically, Patience is too since he won HSC, but all the other players have at least one more considerably impressive trophy to their name.


If anything so is Trap, winning an MLG against 0 kespa koreans, the only real match of that tournament was against Polt.
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-15 00:26:09
May 15 2018 00:25 GMT
#11
On May 15 2018 08:32 Boggyb wrote:
I would imagine the top 4 picks go something like Patience -> ByuN -> Solar -> Dear/Trap


top pick is classic if you play zerg. rogue and dark both said classic is first pick when they streamed streamed
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
May 15 2018 00:26 GMT
#12
On May 15 2018 08:57 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2018 08:38 almightytivi wrote:
Yes, Zest did it. Barely.

Is ByuN one of the four horsemen? It's been so long since he's been good that I forgot... I remember Artosis saying the 4 horsement + Gumiho...

Sad days... and Scarlett and herO didn't make it...


ByuN is technically one of the Four Horsemen, yes, though he hasn't really lived up to the name. All three of the other Horsemen (Inno, Maru, TY) have won multiple trophies since they got the title in early 2017 and enjoyed a reign as the best player in the world, whereas ByuN peaked at Blizzcon 2016.

In hindsight, Gumiho would've been a better choice than ByuN for the fourth spot, but hindsight is 20/20. Though Gumiho isn't really on the level of Inno/Maru/TY either, so maybe the Four Horsemen should've been the Three Titans or something.

GuMiho isn't on the same level of INnoVation and TY? Look at the Korean WCS standings and say that again. (I'd mention aligulac but it has Serral at #2 when he's not a top 10 player)
Latr02
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 15 2018 00:39 GMT
#13
On May 15 2018 08:38 almightytivi wrote:
Yes, Zest did it. Barely.

Is ByuN one of the four horsemen? It's been so long since he's been good that I forgot... I Remember Artosis saying the 4 horsement + GuMiho...

Sad Days... and Scarlett and HerO didn't make it...

I'm inclined to say he still is, but I've felt his supposed decline in form and the general belief that he just plain sucks now has been pretty overblown. Sure he bombed out in Season 1 this year in two series to (P)Trap, but when you consider his best results in notable tournaments of 2017, I'm not sure if it's enough to justify him dropping out of 4H:
  • IEM Season XI WC: Ro8, lost 1-3 to Stats, topped his 6 man Round Robin group
  • GSL S2 2017: Ro8, lost 1-3 to Maru, topped his Ro16 group
  • GSL S3 2017: Ro8, lost 2-3 to Inno, topped his Ro16 group
  • IEM Shanghai: Ro4, lost 1-3 to Rogue, beat Trust, Maru, soO
  • GSL VS The World: beat Serral 3-2, lost 1-3 to Inno

To me, this doesn't exactly seem like the massive slump some are purporting. ByuN actually finished ahead of Maru in the WCS points standings last year. Then again, the whole Four Horseman storyline, while extremely cool sounding, kind of depends on if you think ByuN is just straight up as good as Inno, Maru, and TY. Which is debatable.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-15 01:20:58
May 15 2018 01:13 GMT
#14
On May 15 2018 09:26 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2018 08:57 pvsnp wrote:
On May 15 2018 08:38 almightytivi wrote:
Yes, Zest did it. Barely.

Is ByuN one of the four horsemen? It's been so long since he's been good that I forgot... I remember Artosis saying the 4 horsement + Gumiho...

Sad days... and Scarlett and herO didn't make it...


ByuN is technically one of the Four Horsemen, yes, though he hasn't really lived up to the name. All three of the other Horsemen (Inno, Maru, TY) have won multiple trophies since they got the title in early 2017 and enjoyed a reign as the best player in the world, whereas ByuN peaked at Blizzcon 2016.

In hindsight, Gumiho would've been a better choice than ByuN for the fourth spot, but hindsight is 20/20. Though Gumiho isn't really on the level of Inno/Maru/TY either, so maybe the Four Horsemen should've been the Three Titans or something.

GuMiho isn't on the same level of INnoVation and TY? Look at the Korean WCS standings and say that again. (I'd mention aligulac but it has Serral at #2 when he's not a top 10 player)

Gumiho has one top 4 finish in the whole of LoTV. It's safe to say TY and Inno are better. WCS points after only 2-3 tournaments aren't as telling.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 15 2018 01:14 GMT
#15
Replace Patience with ByuL and you have a perfect top 16 korea (skill wise). Would have been perfectly balanced as well
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
May 15 2018 01:36 GMT
#16
I hope dick boy Parting and Scarlett make ro16 next season.

I am also interested to see how the new patch shakes the meta.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
May 15 2018 01:47 GMT
#17
On May 15 2018 10:14 Fango wrote:
Replace Patience with ByuL and you have a perfect top 16 korea (skill wise). Would have been perfectly balanced as well


Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2704 Posts
May 15 2018 04:02 GMT
#18
If you rank all the players by their series win rates against Koreans in offline Bo3+ during LotV you get the top 16 players among the top 18. The only difference is that herO's (ranked 13) surprise loss in qualifier and Serral (ranked 12 and played only 20 such series, so hard to gauge) didn't try to qualify.

1. Innovation
2. Stats
3. Classic
4. soO
5. Rogue
6. Dark
7. TY
8. sOs
9. Byun
10. Solar
11. Maru
12. Serral
13. herO
14. Dear
15. Trap
16. Gumiho
17. Patience
18. Zest
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2704 Posts
May 15 2018 04:06 GMT
#19
btw, restricting to the offline and vs Korean only parameters, Innovation is best player of LotV with 64.6% win rate in games, and a whopping 70.5% win rate in Bo3+'s. Stats, however, is the "clutchest" player since his game win rate is only 57.7% while his Bo3+ series win rate is 67.4% (a 9.7% difference)!
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negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-15 04:20:25
May 15 2018 04:19 GMT
#20
this is pretty much the 16 best players in the world if you were drawing them up, isn't it? maybe you'd want to shoehorn serral or neeb in there.
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