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![[image loading]](https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/blog_header/0m/0M9ISQSL9YD01489173752479.jpg) https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/21613835/Everything-You-Need-to-Know-About-WCS-Challenger-Season-1/ *4 players will qualify from their final placement at the WCS Leipzig Pre-season 4 players will qualify from their current rank on the competitive ladder 8 players will qualify from the online open qualifiers North America qualifiers will run April 7-8 Europe qualifiers will run April 9-10 The main WCS Challenger tournament will run on weekends beginning April 14 
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ZigguratOfUr
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I was hoping for a format that is better at giving exposure to the players. That's one thing that was really lacking last year--making Challenger feel a bit like a real event rather than just one more set of qualifiers. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Btw information is already plural, informations does not exist. Classic mistake for us euros  . | ||
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DieuCure
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On March 16 2018 07:39 DieuCure wrote: The difference is only 4 through GM instead of 8. ( because of WCS Ro4, half GSL) Was there a group stage last year? | ||
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DieuCure
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Kafka777
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1702 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic627 Posts
On March 20 2018 10:56 ShowTheLights wrote: lmfao what a waste of resources and time. Nobody watches these challenger brackets and they get no exposure whatsoever User was temp banned for this post. banned just for a personal opinion? User was warned for this post | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
On March 20 2018 10:56 ShowTheLights wrote: lmfao what a waste of resources and time. Nobody watches these challenger brackets and they get no exposure whatsoever User was temp banned for this post. Another random banned for voicing his/her opinion. The worst part? He is probably right. BZ makes zero efforts to even advertise those Challenger events. Most of people don't even know. A post on TL will not be enough nor 1 tweet one hour before the event either. User was warned for this post | ||
Waxangel
United States33493 Posts
don't derail threads with moderation complaints or bans/warns will follow | ||
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Corvuuss
Austria354 Posts
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[Svall]Granis
Sweden94 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On March 21 2018 02:52 [Svall]Granis wrote: While ive learned to like this format, i still miss WCS EU/NA with the live crowd and all player present. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the qualifiers could attract a large crowd too, not just the basement in Cologne(?) with room for 13 people...  I might be stupid, but I don't quite get what is meant with this: 4 players will qualify from their final placement at the WCS Leipzig Pre-season | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On March 21 2018 03:48 BaneRiders wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the qualifiers could attract a large crowd too, not just the basement in Cologne(?) with room for 13 people... Would cost more though. Seems like everyone from Ro4 at Leipzig automatically qualifies | ||
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KR_4EVR
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On March 21 2018 04:03 Kalera wrote: Seems like everyone from Ro4 at Leipzig automatically qualifies ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/f4BABdZ.png) | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
Ok thanks! With only 4 WCS tourneys I'm not sure I agree with such freebies, but ok. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
I'm deeply facinated by the though process that made you arrive at the conclusion that posting a zoom in screenshot of a bracket was the best way of telling us the top 4 players. | ||
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inuh
Korea (South)15 Posts
On March 16 2018 07:58 Kafka777 wrote: I can congratulate the person responsible for scheduling. It will be amazing to see how players participating in Nationwars finals on April 21 will be able to play both challenger and the said finals and what a treat for viewers as well, we will have to watch on 2 monitors :-) | ||
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Corvuuss
Austria354 Posts
EU:  Serral  ShoWTimE and two of Elazer, Nerchio or SnuteNA: Neeb TRUE  MaSa and Scarlett | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
The prequalified players are: | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
So if I get this right, those that won the qualifier for WCS Leipzig for Europe and North America get a seed to the qualifier, not those that actually did well in Leipzig, like Showtime who reached the final or Special, who reached the semi. Sounds a bit weird to me to be honest. I think it would have been better to skip this and let everyone qualify. That would mean more action for us viewers, and we could do with that. | ||
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
On March 25 2018 05:14 BaneRiders wrote: So if I get this right, those that won the qualifier for WCS Leipzig for Europe and North America get a seed to the qualifier, not those that actually did well in Leipzig, like Showtime who reached the final or Special, who reached the semi. Sounds a bit weird to me to be honest. I think it would have been better to skip this and let everyone qualify. That would mean more action for us viewers, and we could do with that. Major plays isn't NA he is latin they have a seperate challenger called Copa America. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On March 25 2018 06:11 SNSeigifried wrote: Major plays isn't NA he is latin they have a seperate challenger called Copa America. Ah, my bad. I thought Mexico belonged to North America geographically speaking. | ||
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Sinistro
Brazil684 Posts
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Corvuuss
Austria354 Posts
On March 25 2018 07:48 BaneRiders wrote: Ah, my bad. I thought Mexico belonged to North America geographically speaking. Mexico does belong to NA geographically speaking, (as do some other countries which are not the USA or Canada) but their WCS region is Latin America | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On March 26 2018 04:26 Corvuuss wrote: Mexico does belong to NA geographically speaking, (as do some other countries which are not the USA or Canada) but their WCS region is Latin America Yeah, confusing stuff.  Shifting Mexico to Latin America gives the region more weight I suppose (pun intended ) | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 20 2018 10:56 ShowTheLights wrote: lmfao what a waste of resources and time. Nobody watches these challenger brackets and they get no exposure whatsoever User was temp banned for this post. I'm going to be a Community Caster for these qualifiers and who knows what else, hopefully i can bring some more eyes to this and to players playing in it. There obv will be other Community Casters as well for it, if a player in the brackets is about to start a game and wants their game casted and i'm not already in a game casting...let me know and i'll cover it. I want to cast as many games as possible and give coverage to as many players and as much of the bracket as possible | ||
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DieuCure
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On April 08 2018 07:44 DieuCure wrote: I'm glad to see that Avilo has this opportunity, his passion for the game is almost unrivaled. I know there's a lot of controversy surrounding avilo, but I always support when a person/player/organization supports a scene. He has a large following, and he can bring a wider exposure to the NA scene than other people. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 08 2018 06:49 avilo wrote: I'm going to be a Community Caster for these qualifiers and who knows what else, hopefully i can bring some more eyes to this and to players playing in it. There obv will be other Community Casters as well for it, if a player in the brackets is about to start a game and wants their game casted and i'm not already in a game casting...let me know and i'll cover it. I want to cast as many games as possible and give coverage to as many players and as much of the bracket as possible Are you trying to qualify too or just casting? | ||
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pvsnp
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Also not raving about maphacking or imbalance or anything like that, talking about "900 IQ plays from Protoss" | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 08 2018 08:29 pvsnp wrote: Tuned in briefly, and avilo is a surprisingly good caster. He was doing some decent analysis in a crazy printf game, talking about walling off and mindgames and potential counters and so forth Also not raving about maphacking or imbalance or anything like that Well he's not the one playing, so he can afford to be magnanimous. | ||
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pvsnp
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On April 08 2018 08:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Well he's not the one playing, so he can be magnanimous. The funny part is that the Terran in-game is TheRiddler or something but is playing on an account named "avilo" Oh and avilo is wearing a suit, for some reason. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 08 2018 08:40 pvsnp wrote: The funny part is that the Terran in-game is TheRiddler or something but is playing on an account named "avilo" Yeah, he plays for Waterloo in the CSL under that name iirc. | ||
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TheDougler
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ZigguratOfUr
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On April 08 2018 11:05 TheDougler wrote: Woah! Kane making his way through the winners bracket, that's a name I haven't seen in a long time. Go Kane! Hope he qualifies. One of my favourite memories is him making it past Polt in the WCS qualifiers and then doing an interview half-naked. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On April 08 2018 12:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Did NoRegreT (and Semper for that matter) not show up, or did two times Code S player NoRegreT lose to Farmcakes? Bracket says NoRegreT beat "BadSheep" in the losers bracket, so he presumably was there, unless they were all no shows? Edit: Apparently he overslept and didn't make it. puCK got knocked out by printf though! | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On April 08 2018 13:40 Kalera wrote: Bracket says NoRegreT beat "BadSheep" in the losers bracket, so he presumably was there, unless they were all no shows? It says he got knocked out by Disk in the next match. puCK also got knocked out by Silky and printf. NoRegret and puCK are both playing from Korea, and the qualifier started at about 9 AM for them. 150+ ping and overall tiredness explains a lot. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On April 08 2018 13:46 Solar424 wrote: NoRegret and puCK are both playing from Korea, and the qualifier started at about 9 AM for them. 150+ ping and overall tiredness explains a lot. If they started playing at 9:00 their time, they shouldn't be that tired assuming they got decent sleep the night before. I thought Korea to NA ping wasn't that bad though. | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
On April 08 2018 14:04 FrkFrJss wrote: If they started playing at 9:00 their time, they shouldn't be that tired assuming they got decent sleep the night before. I thought Korea to NA ping wasn't that bad though. Apparently NoRegret just overslept and didn't make it. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On April 08 2018 14:16 Kalera wrote: Apparently NoRegret just overslept and didn't make it. Ah....well that's understandable. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On April 09 2018 11:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What a crazy game from printf and Ukko. With slightly better decision making printf could have won that quite easily I think. And Ukko could of course have avoided all this entirely, by Nydusing or proxy hatching which should beat what printf does almost every time. avilo theorized that printf could counter this by proxy nexusing near the proxy cannons. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 09 2018 11:37 FrkFrJss wrote: avilo theorized that printf could counter this by proxy nexusing near the proxy cannons. It's worth a try, but I rather think you still lose since zerg can easily expand (and also protecting the nexus is non trivial since you have to put the initial cannons and shield batteries in a corner somewhere). | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On April 09 2018 11:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's worth a try, but I rather think you still lose since zerg can easily expand (and also protecting the nexus is non trivial since you have to put the initial cannons and shield batteries in a corner somewhere). If you're proxying near the natural, then you can easily rotate your forces between applying pressure on the natural and also defending the natural. printf's main problem is that he can't move as easily between protecting his base and applying pressure on the natural, whereas with a nydus, Zerg can alternate between the bases easily. Plus, the Protoss can just recall the probes to the other nexus. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 09 2018 13:56 Solar424 wrote: Avilo vs Avilo is all I've ever wanted. It's beautiful. Fake avilo used to play Protoss until he was enlightened by the mech god (and in fact he did beat said mech god with Protoss once). Finally he gets to meet his maker in tournament play. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On April 09 2018 14:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's beautiful. Fake avilo used to play Protoss until he was enlightened by the mech god (and in fact he did beat said mech god with Protoss once). Finally he gets to meet his maker in tournament play. We shouldn't call him fake Avilo since the match is still going on. The winner of this match will be the real Avilo. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 09 2018 14:10 phodacbiet wrote: We shouldn't call him fake Avilo since the match is still going on. The winner of this match will be the real Avilo. He's just a fake until he defeats avilo. And raven vs raven is truly the pinnacle of Starcraft. It's admirable that fake avilo is somehow able to bank 4k gas and no minerals despite their compositions. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Ej_
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ZigguratOfUr
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edit: Just as the hour mark hit there's no more gas on the map. | ||
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Solar424
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Ej_
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On April 09 2018 14:38 Solar424 wrote: Bioice is the saddest man on Earth right now. he has to wait for 5 series to end before he can play, including this one. At least he has a lot of games to ahead of him to get intel on avilo's playstyle. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
edit: As soon as I say that he wastes it by building a battlecruiser and Yamato... | ||
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Ej_
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On April 09 2018 14:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's pretty smart of fake-vilo to save his last 800 gas for repairs. edit: As soon as I say that he wastes it by building a battlecruiser and Yamato... yamato is the only way to prevent a draw at this point Oh yeah, it's amazing how avilo plays only 50 mass air turtle games and doesn't get upgrades on his vikings and libs. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 09 2018 14:44 Ej_ wrote: yamato is the only way to prevent a draw at this point Ah yes he can Yamato a turret every three minutes. | ||
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Ej_
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Ej_
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Solar424
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phodacbiet
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Ej_
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On April 09 2018 14:56 Solar424 wrote: Turns out Avilo's own worst enemy truly was himself. Hell is people. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Reminds me of this ping pong story: https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,756899,00.html | ||
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Ej_
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ZigguratOfUr
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Ej_
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ZigguratOfUr
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edit: Actually I think THERIDDLER might be doing ever so slightly better this time. This is an Edge of Tomorrow scenario, and three iterations down the line he actually learns to macro and wins. edit edit: Wow. Even avilo's maphacking accusation came at the same time this game. edit edit edit: Fake avilo up 10k gas. He's going to have to work hard to draw this one. | ||
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Ej_
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 09 2018 16:05 Ej_ wrote: avilo with 200 gas while avilo has 10 thousand. Can't end well for avilo Why kill him when you could just prolong the agony? | ||
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Durnuu
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 09 2018 16:08 Durnuu wrote: Calling a draw there was as stupid as the regame situation with Scarlett. Hopefully they don't make that mistake a second time. I mean this time there's a 10k gas differential. You wouldn't call a draw, you DQ THERIDDLER for not making a good faith attempt to win the game. | ||
Inflicted
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Ej_
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ZigguratOfUr
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On April 09 2018 16:13 Ej_ wrote: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/983238966844407809 Exactly what I expected | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On April 09 2018 16:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: avilo's maphacking accusations reach peak amusement when the entire map is covered with sensor towers and scans. I mean, that is basically maphack | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1835 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 09 2018 16:22 CicadaSC wrote: Finally someone giving Avilo a taste of his own medicine so he knows what it's like to play against turtle mech into mass raven XD You must be happy to have beaten Bioice and not be in the lower bracket. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Next maps are Blackpink and Acid Plant, and not Eastwatch and Neon Violet unfortunately. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1835 Posts
If the reason is player/caster/admin fatigue, I am not sure this is the right decision... the cutoff point seems almost arbitrary. so at 3:30 am matches must be halted but the ones at 2:30 or 3:00 aren't? Before anyone says no other matches were being played, yes, there were. Antis played against Ukko and Antis played against Puck after that. How is this fair to them? Perhaps their matches were also effected by fatigue... What about the matches before them... idk kev... | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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HsDLTitich
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DSK
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 09 2018 23:44 DSK wrote: Going to shamelessly beg for someone to post links to the VODs for avilo vs avilo. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/248236819 http://starcraftstarleague.com/#recommended games got you covered  | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
On April 09 2018 23:46 Ej_ wrote: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/248236819 http://starcraftstarleague.com/#recommended games got you covered My man delivers!. [Added] Oh wow, this is amazing. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On April 09 2018 23:12 HsDLTitich wrote: Seems like we're going to have a ro256 bracket for the european quali, I'm glad I'm not the admin for that double elimination bracket as well lol I truly think you dodged a bullet. | ||
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Aeromi
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
EU Round of 8 bracket + Finals: May 12 NA Round of 8 bracket + Finals: May 13 | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On April 10 2018 02:17 Aeromi wrote: The Clem vs Guru match is awesome.  | ||
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Ej_
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On April 10 2018 02:22 Solar424 wrote: Backwater can't be gone soon enough. The map just makes turtling the best course of action for Terran and drags games out. Preach it. That map is a sin against Starcraft as we know it. | ||
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Aeromi
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Boggyb
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
Guru just asked for a break to go pee. This is wonderful. | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On April 10 2018 03:14 Aeromi wrote: Guru just asked for a break to go pee. This is wonderful. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On April 10 2018 03:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The French localization of Backwater is "En périphérie de Nulpar" ?! Who comes up with these awful names. Nulpar is a pun, it means nowhere phonetic-wise | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 03:27 Aeromi wrote: Nulpar is a pun, it means nowhere phonetic-wise I know. It's still an awful name. | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On April 10 2018 02:17 Aeromi wrote: The Clem vs Guru match is awesome. Update: It was boring. | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
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FrkFrJss
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 03:40 HsDLTitich wrote: 1:45:09 what's the record for the longest LotV game? avilo vs avilo lasted over two hours for "game 1" (if you count the two games interrupted by the draw together). | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
On April 10 2018 03:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: avilo vs avilo lasted over two hours for "game 1" (if you count the two games interrupted by the draw together). I don't think that counts :D | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
 Romson 2 - 1  Clem | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 04:26 Aeromi wrote: Romson 2 - 1 ClemGuru's efforts for his countrymen have not been in vain. | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On April 10 2018 04:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Guru's efforts for his countrymen have not been in vain. Clem being ill is not helping either. He still has a shot to qualify by winning the loser bracket but it is going to be so tough. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
On April 10 2018 03:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: avilo vs avilo lasted over two hours for "game 1" (if you count the two games interrupted by the draw together). When you put a trapper hat to your ear you can hear the faint sound of Orbital Command scans. + Show Spoiler + Honestly though, I think I'm going to have nightmares with that sound  | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 06:34 Solar424 wrote: This qualifier is never going to end. And the NA qualifier starting with game 2 of avilo vs avilo begins in 3 hours. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 10 2018 06:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: And the NA qualifier starting with game 2 of avilo vs avilo begins in 3 hours. And the next EU qualifier is starting in 17 hours, you can do it avilo! | ||
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Nakajin
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Adastrom
Canada219 Posts
starting soon hop on bois | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8b2x6s/regarding_my_game_vs_avilo_yesterday_response_to/ this is pretty stupid | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
My body is ready. Blackpink should be harder to split than Backwater, but after seeing Clem and Guru split Abiogenesis, anything is possible. On April 10 2018 09:04 Charoisaur wrote: Apparently THERIDDLER got a warning from Blizzard for "intentionally prolonging the game" https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8b2x6s/regarding_my_game_vs_avilo_yesterday_response_to/ this is pretty stupid Having seen the games I don't blame Blizzard. THERIDDLER could easily have finished the second game way sooner, and was definitely trolling. | ||
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Boggyb
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: My body is ready. Blackpink should be harder to split than Backwater, but after seeing Clem and Guru split Abiogenesis, anything is possible. Having seen the games I don't blame Blizzard. THERIDDLER could easily have finished the second game way sooner, and was definitely trolling. Well I haven't seen the games tbh. But in Raven vs Raven games it's really really hard to finish off the game | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:10 Boggyb wrote: Riddler using skins could force a rematch if he wins, right? Yup. Though since avilo has absolutely no deniability about "only noticing the skins at the last minute" hopefully we don't get another Scarlett scenario. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yup. Though since avilo has absolutely no deniability about "only noticing the skins at the last minute" hopefully we don't get another Scarlett scenario. He could just say "I had a hard time determining how many of X there were in a fight". | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:14 Boggyb wrote: He could just say "I had a hard time determining how many of X there were in a fight". Yeah, but the reason why Scarlett swindled her way into a re-game was partially because according to her she only noticed the roach skin when they burrowed at the end. Whereas here hopefully the admins will be very unsympathetic to avilo only complaining about the skins when he's about to lose. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yup. Though since avilo has absolutely no deniability about "only noticing the skins at the last minute" hopefully we don't get another Scarlett scenario. If they're consistent there should be a rematch. Doesn't matter when avilo noticed it, in the Scarlett matched the skins had 0 impact on the outcome of the game either. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:18 Charoisaur wrote: If they're consistent there should be a rematch. Doesn't matter when avilo noticed it, in the Scarlett matched the skins had 0 impact on the outcome of the game either. Completely disagree. Asking for a rematch as soon as you notice is from a certain standpoint fair, whereas waiting until you get into a losing position is unsportsmanlike and warrants a disqualification. edit: Also avilo could get DQed for chatting after being warned. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 10 2018 09:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Completely disagree. Asking for a rematch as soon as you notice is from a certain standpoint fair, whereas waiting until you get into a losing position is unsportsmanlike and warrants a disqualification. edit: Also avilo could get DQed for chatting after being warned. Sportsmanship is not a real thing. If the rules allows something, it is fair to exploit that. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:22 Boggyb wrote: Sportsmanship is not a real thing. If the rules allows something, it is fair to exploit that. Sportsmanship is part of the rules, and the admins would be totally warranted for dinging people for it. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Completely disagree. Asking for a rematch as soon as you notice is from a certain standpoint fair, whereas waiting until you get into a losing position is unsportsmanlike and warrants a disqualification. edit: Also avilo could get DQed for chatting after being warned. How can you not notice the Roaches have skins though? avilo can also just say he didn't notice it until the end. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:24 Charoisaur wrote: How can you not notice the Roaches have skins though? avilo can also just say he didn't notice it until the end. The opponent didn't build many of them iirc, and it's only when they burrowed that Scarlett called it (since I think they look more different then). So at least Scarlett had plausible deniability, whereas THERIDDLER's entire army is skinned. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16017 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:28 Charoisaur wrote: Good that avilo shows sportsmanship and doesn't demand a rematch. He knows he can't beat a(n alleged) maphacker on map that isn't as shitty and linear as Backwater. Also pretty sure we'll get more drama when Blizzard warns/sanctions avilo for chatting despite the warning. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Sportsmanship is part of the rules, and the admins would be totally warranted for dinging people for it. Sportsmanship means not insulting your opponent. If the rules allow for a regame due to skins, it isn't unsportsmanlike to demand a regame. Waiting till after you've lost to demand it is just smart use of the rules. It is like fouling on the last possession in basketball when up 3 or throwing deep after an offsides call in football. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:31 Boggyb wrote: Sportsmanship means not insulting your opponent. If the rules allow for a regame due to skins, it isn't unsportsmanlike to demand a regame. Waiting till after you've lost to demand it is just smart use of the rules. It is like fouling on the last possession in basketball when up 3 or throwing deep after an offsides call in football. The rules say: Players must pause the game and notify an administrator within 3 minutes of a nondefault unit skin first visibly appearing in-game in order to request a re-game. Tournament admins will use their discretion to determine whether a player had a reasonable window to notice and report a disallowed skin. So this particular abuse is covered. Though in truth avilo could just have reported it as soon as the game started and gotten THERIDDLER a game loss. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The rules say: So this particular abuse is covered. Though in truth avilo could just have reported it as soon as the game started and gotten THERIDDLER a game loss. He logically has 3 minutes after each different non-standard skin is shown. Were the BCs using a different skin? avilo could have called for a re-game super late in the game if he wanted and knew the rules. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:41 Boggyb wrote: He logically has 3 minutes after each different non-standard skin is shown. Were the BCs using a different skin? avilo could have called for a re-game super late in the game if he wanted and knew the rules. Then the admins could just DQ avilo for failing to report every single previous instance of the skins, and he can fun trying to convince the admins that he only noticed the BC skin and not every single other skin. And that's if you go with the dubious reading of the rules that each non-standard skin is a new instance of the three minute timer. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Then the admins could just DQ avilo for failing to report every single previous instance of the skins, and he can fun trying to convince the admins that he only noticed the BC skin and not every single other skin. And that's if you go with the dubious reading of the rules that each non-standard skin is a new instance of the three minute timer. Not all skins are equally a problem. e.g. Someone could theoretically not care about overlord skins but care about roach skins. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:55 Boggyb wrote: Not all skins are equally a problem. e.g. Someone could theoretically not care about overlord skins but care about roach skins. Rules still obligate you to report them--and you can hardly claim to have only noticed that one skin when their entire army is skinned. I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to find a way to abuse the rules? | ||
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Boggyb
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On April 10 2018 10:23 Boggyb wrote: Stephano Drogo being delayed till an hour before tomorrow's tourney. Given that the Clem vs Guru series lasted over 2:30 hours, that result is not surprising. EDIT: Also, currently colttarren is casting the rest of the NA challenger. http://www.twitch.tv/colttarren | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 10 2018 11:28 FrkFrJss wrote: Given that the Clem vs Guru series lasted over 2:30 hours, that result is not surprising. 1 hour before seems problematic. One golden armada vs. skyzerg game could blow through that entire window. It could also create issues with creating a bracket depending on when they throw that together. If the series lasts 45 minutes, will they be able to get out a bracket and whatever in less than 15 minutes? Are they both going to be in the bracket and the winner just forfeit because they've already qualified? | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
I hope Clem is feeling bettter than Yesterday. Boggyb I think in bracket they will be a spot "loser of Stephano/Drogo" | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/248781190?t=01h01m00s | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 11 2018 00:37 Ej_ wrote: avilo streamed my series vs Alluton :D https://www.twitch.tv/videos/248781190?t=01h01m00s 100% should be on your list of recommended games | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
Clem 2 - 0  Snute | ||
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HoldenC23
Canada64 Posts
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
could be worse | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 11 2018 04:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Clem's playing ghost/lib rather than ghost/raven against Stephano. Is this a one-off, or did he also play ghost/lib in the earlier series (as a result of PTSD due to his series against Guru)? He definitely did not make as many ravens as is advised in any of the games vs Guru yesterday, | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 11 2018 06:44 vult wrote: Am i mistaken when I think that Stephano still needs to complete the actual EU qualis to make it to Austin? You're not. He qualified for the group stage. He needs to get through that and get to the top 4 to get a paid trip to Austin. | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On April 11 2018 04:33 Liquid`Snute wrote: at least there's double elim could be worseSorry you didn't qualify Snute. Good effort though. ___ Also, seeing all these French players qualify, and Stephano's strong form both today and yesterday really adds to the narrative of just what a breakout Reynor had in Nation Wars. France has some great players. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On April 11 2018 07:55 Myrddrael wrote: Clem just qualified too. He can actually compete in WCS this year so I hope he can make it. Will be nice to see a new face for once Ah, so Reynor's birthday is July 1st, so can he play in WCS qualifiers after that? He'll be 16. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 11 2018 08:23 TheDougler wrote: Ah, so Reynor's birthday is July 1st, so can he play in WCS qualifiers after that? He'll be 16. Yeah, he'll be able to play in Valencia and Montreal. And looks like fourth time's the charm for DnS. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On April 11 2018 08:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah, he'll be able to play in Valencia and Montreal. And looks like fourth time's the charm for DnS. Nice! Also, looking at the seed distribution for WCS as a whole, while I really can't fault them population wise, and even skill-wise until recently, I'd say next year they should re-think the 4 seeds from NA, and only 2 from Latin America. Slowly but surely Latin America is catching up and even surpassing the NA scene. Special, Kelazur, and Cham vs Neeb, Scarlett, and NoRegret would be pretty close. Then again, it's also really cool that Copa America is connected to WCS, that's pretty legit. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 11 2018 09:15 TheDougler wrote: Nice! Also, looking at the seed distribution for WCS as a whole, while I really can't fault them population wise, and even skill-wise until recently, I'd say next year they should re-think the 4 seeds from NA, and only 2 from Latin America. Slowly but surely Latin America is catching up and even surpassing the NA scene. Special, Kelazur, and Cham vs Neeb, Scarlett, and NoRegret would be pretty close. Then again, it's also really cool that Copa America is connected to WCS, that's pretty legit. Really? I feel like Europe gets completely shafted. Skill-wise NA doesn't deserve as many seeds as EU, and SEA and Taiwan certainly don't deserve two seeds a piece. edit Oh and unsurprisingly avilo got a match loss for ignoring his warning about chatting. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On April 11 2018 09:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Really? I feel like Europe gets completely shafted. Skill-wise NA doesn't deserve as many seeds as EU, and SEA and Taiwan certainly don't deserve two seeds a piece. It depends on what basis you're talking about for NA/EU. NA has probably won a near equivalent or potentially even greater number of WCS events than EU. The EU has a greater overall skill level, but the NA has equivalent top skill level. | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 12 2018 04:34 TheDougler wrote: When do they announce RO16 groups for NA and Europe? Isn’t that only a couple of days away? | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On April 12 2018 11:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/984208129075298304 https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft/status/984241454997323777 Sweet! Thanks for the link! Pity Scarlett ended up in a group with two of her countrymen, but she should be able to make it to the playoffs pretty easy there. Same with Neeb. Group D looks like the toughest group for both EU and NA. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On April 12 2018 12:43 TheDougler wrote: Sweet! Thanks for the link! Pity Scarlett ended up in a group with two of her countrymen, but she should be able to make it to the playoffs pretty easy there. Same with Neeb. Group D looks like the toughest group for both EU and NA. Group A on NA looks like a bit of a tougher group overall. | ||
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