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Can Neeb be Beaten? WCS Leipzig preview w/ feardragon

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Can Neeb be Beaten? WCS Leipzig preview w/ feardragon

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
January 25th, 2018 10:58 GMT

Will Neeb's Domination of the WCS Circuit Continue in 2018?


(P)Neeb dominated the WCS Circuit in 2017, lifting the championship trophy at three out of four events. Though he ended the year with a disappointing group stage elimination at the Global Finals, his impressive play against eventual champion Rogue left many to wonder if the American Protoss simply got unlucky. Now, with the 2018 season set to begin at WCS Leipzig, fans and progamers alike must wonder: Will Neeb continue to reign over the WCS Circuit in 2018?

Days before WCS Leipzig, Neeb swept through the field at the American LAN tournament Cheeseadelphia to win the $3000 first place prize. TeamLiquid.net talked with SC2 commentator and North American scene insider Ravi “feardragon” Pareek, who was on site to watch Neeb’s pre-WCS ‘warm up.’

*Answers have been edited and condensed.

Neeb showed vulnerability amid his domination at Cheeseadelphia

"Cheesadelphia was a game of who can take a game off of Neeb. He lost two games: One game he lost to Masa, and the other game he lost to himself. Neeb still had some close games, not only losing that one game to Masa—which I think was a very legitimate game to lose—but he also had a close game versus Cham. If you go look at game one of the finals of Cheeseadelphia, Cham looked really solid there."

Potential weaknesses versus cheese?

"Even going back to WCS Challenger for Leipzig versus JonSnow, Neeb actually lost a game (JonSnow cheesed him out admittedly). He definitely still seems vulnerable to certain things. I think he sometimes tries to play a little bit too greedy. You'll see him sort of just fall over because he's trying to play with the utmost greed so he can get away with the utmost advantages later on. But he'll get punished for that sometimes. This might be one of the best chances to upset Neeb, because Protoss generally struggle the most in figuring out new maps and how to handle them."

Burnout before BlizzCon 2017 and lessons for 2018

"I actually got to talk with Neeb at Kings of the North, which was maybe a few weeks before BlizzCon, and he just was burnt out. He was actually telling people at that event that he just didn't want to play StarCraft. He hadn’t been playing StarCraft THAT much leading up to BlizzCon—maybe he did a bit after the event. But he had worked himself so hard for the entire year up until Montreal that he lost a lot of his motivation, I think, to keep practicing as hard. I think that had a lot to do with his performance at BlizzCon.

I'm actually expecting him to have a much better handle of it in 2018. His strongest suit is that he doesn't make the same mistake many times. I think Neeb is better prepared in 2018 outside of StarCraft, in terms of mental fortitude and everything else."

Neeb’s 2017 wasn’t about dominance. It was about being CLUTCH.

"It's really interesting because when you go back, I'm pretty sure all of the WCS events that he won, he lost at least one series in the group stage, except maybe Montreal. In retrospect, Neeb was never one of these huge dominating favorites coming into any of these events. But he was able to be clutch in those moments and pull it out. Neeb has dropped games to JonSnow and Masa, and he's lost an entire series to players like Nerchio recently. So there's very much this sense of mortality that's been shown for Neeb. But Neeb at these online events or smaller events is very different from Neeb at a WCS event."

WCS Leipzig begins on Friday, Jan 26 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Tune in at wcs.starcraft2.com to watch Neeb and the best players of the WCS Circuit compete for the first major championship of the year!



Interview and editing: Wax
NA expertise: feardragon
Photos: Jennika Ojala

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ram.Page
Profile Joined June 2017
1 Post
January 25 2018 11:12 GMT
#2
Neeb’s 2017 wasn’t about dominance, it was about being CLUTCH.


That totally nails it!
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
January 25 2018 11:16 GMT
#3
10k MMR god Serral will beat Neeb easily. His ladder MMR speaks for itself.
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
January 25 2018 11:19 GMT
#4
Yes, he showed some weakness in Cheeseadelphia, namely, if you trick him into cancelling his own nexus, he'll quit the game. >
Phase 1: F2    Phase 2: A   Phase 3: Profit!
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
January 25 2018 11:26 GMT
#5
Nice analysis.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 11:27:53
January 25 2018 11:26 GMT
#6
I think EU will fight back stronger vs Neeb this year. Serral must win a WCS I feel and Elazer definitely wants another win
too. Nerchio and Showtime want to find their 2016 form.

Then there is Scarlett who has been going back and forth with Neeb and wants that NA crown back. She will put a lot more focus on getting to BlizzCon than in the years before.

Overall Neeb definitely looks mortal right now, but it might change once he plays offline.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
January 25 2018 11:44 GMT
#7
Damn, being forced to play that hour long game against Rogue, while not wanting to play Starcraft... no wonder he decided to lose the rest of the games so quickly.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 14:12:15
January 25 2018 14:10 GMT
#8
On January 25 2018 20:16 Durnuu wrote:
10k MMR god Serral will beat Neeb easily. His ladder MMR speaks for itself.

Not to even mention his Aligulac points. Neeb will be lucky if he gets a map tbh.
why even
Killmo
Profile Joined October 2011
China82 Posts
January 25 2018 14:45 GMT
#9
On January 25 2018 23:10 D-light wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 20:16 Durnuu wrote:
10k MMR god Serral will beat Neeb easily. His ladder MMR speaks for itself.

Not to even mention his Aligulac points. Neeb will be lucky if he gets a map tbh.

I don't understand. They are pretty close in rating on Aligulac, being #1 and #2 respectively. Why would it be that Neeb is so far outmatched by Serral when it looks to me like it would be pretty even?
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
January 25 2018 15:20 GMT
#10
On January 25 2018 20:44 DBooN wrote:
Damn, being forced to play that hour long game against Rogue, while not wanting to play Starcraft... no wonder he decided to lose the rest of the games so quickly.


It was weird, because he did really well in the first series, but he looked really bad in the later two series (and it was more than just Rogue and soO adapting to him).

With the new patch, it's tough to say how well he'll do, and I think he'll do well, but I don't know how much of a favourite he is to win.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
January 25 2018 16:10 GMT
#11
On January 25 2018 23:45 Killmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 23:10 D-light wrote:
On January 25 2018 20:16 Durnuu wrote:
10k MMR god Serral will beat Neeb easily. His ladder MMR speaks for itself.

Not to even mention his Aligulac points. Neeb will be lucky if he gets a map tbh.

I don't understand. They are pretty close in rating on Aligulac, being #1 and #2 respectively. Why would it be that Neeb is so far outmatched by Serral when it looks to me like it would be pretty even?


They are just trolling because Serral has a hard time wining an event even though he's been staying on top of the EU ladder for months now.
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 25 2018 16:11 GMT
#12
I don't think he'll be beaten by foreigners, but I would be pleasantly surprised if he doesn't dominate as hard as in 2017
WriterMaru
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
January 25 2018 16:16 GMT
#13
neeeeeeeeeeeeeb
very illegal and very uncool
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
January 25 2018 16:29 GMT
#14
that feardragon head though
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
January 25 2018 16:44 GMT
#15
Scarlett has been in rare form lately, I feel like she and Serral are both likely to give Neeb a run for his money.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Myrddrael
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
January 25 2018 16:53 GMT
#16
I'm not sure I like this post. It feels like it's kinda encourgaing people to cheese Neeb out of the competition?
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain881 Posts
January 25 2018 17:47 GMT
#17
On January 26 2018 01:44 TheDougler wrote:
Scarlett has been in rare form lately, I feel like she and Serral are both likely to give Neeb a run for his money.

I doubt it, ScarlettvP is a pretty broken matchup.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Killmo
Profile Joined October 2011
China82 Posts
January 25 2018 18:04 GMT
#18
On January 26 2018 02:47 Xamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 01:44 TheDougler wrote:
Scarlett has been in rare form lately, I feel like she and Serral are both likely to give Neeb a run for his money.

I doubt it, ScarlettvP is a pretty broken matchup.

Yeah. She reminds me a little bit of IdrA in that she is so damn good, but then she lets the belief that Protoss is absolutely unbeatable get into her head so she just can't pull the wins out like she can against Zerg and Terran.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
January 25 2018 19:27 GMT
#19
So happy to see y'all made a preview for WCS Leipzig and had an article on Neeb.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
January 25 2018 20:27 GMT
#20
On January 26 2018 03:04 Killmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 02:47 Xamo wrote:
On January 26 2018 01:44 TheDougler wrote:
Scarlett has been in rare form lately, I feel like she and Serral are both likely to give Neeb a run for his money.

I doubt it, ScarlettvP is a pretty broken matchup.

Yeah. She reminds me a little bit of IdrA in that she is so damn good, but then she lets the belief that Protoss is absolutely unbeatable get into her head so she just can't pull the wins out like she can against Zerg and Terran.


I bet you Idra has an-Arya like list of names and it’s tree people: HuK, Cruncher, MC...



For reals tho Scarlett’s mental game is miles better than Idra’s... though yeah it could be better.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
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