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WCS Challenger Errors & Delays

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-07 21:52:48
January 07 2018 20:00 GMT
#1
UPDATE Statement from the SC2 Product Manager at DreamHack Heyoka: https://np.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/7osd95/what_on_earth_is_going_on_in_wcs/dsc2fed/

Hi all, I’m the SC2 Product Manager at DreamHack and want to touch on what happened here and where we’re at.

First, this is our mistake on the DreamHack side and I apologize for that. We messed up and it’s caused a lot of grief to players and fans who are affected by it. We had a bracket up all day on Sunday for the Europe qualifiers that was not correct and we didn’t properly catch and act on it until far too late. Our typical process for making and communicating these brackets involves a step where people double check them, because it’s a complex system that isn’t done easily or quickly (we rank players by WCS points separately for those who are 1st and 2nd place finishers in their groups, and then swap matchups to avoid anyone facing someone from their group immediately in the bracket). This is why we didn’t show the Ro16 bracket immediately on the Day 2 broadcast of the events last year for instance, or why those at the event are used to repeatedly asking the admins if the brackets are done yet.

Unfortunately that system failed this time and the bracket had not been gone through with a fine tooth comb as usual last night. To compound it, our admins weren’t available to answer questions on the bracket before play started so people went ahead and played. These are both serious mistakes on our part.

We were able to take a look at it today but not until people were already competing, which means when it was fixed people had new opponents though they may have been mid-match. 'm sorry for that, it disrupts everyone’s flow for who they prepare for and plan their event and the competitors deserve more than what we gave them tonight. I’ll be checking to make sure we have the proper redundancies for communication and bracket seeding in the future so situations like this aren’t possible.


Thanks [16thSq]Kuro for posting on page 2


The bracket stage of WCS Regional Challengers for Leipzig were supposed to begin today at 19:00 CET.

Games were underway at the appropriate start time with several players already concluding their first games. However, it was brought to attention that the seeding for the bracket stage was actually incorrect.


*original incorrectly seeded bracket


*ShoWTimE noticing possible incorrect seeding in the group stage as well

There were no admins available to check on the bracket seeding at the start of the competition, which led to players beginning matches for which they had spent the night preparing. An admin finally confirmed that the matches were incorrectly seeded about 30 minutes after the start time of the event.

One player, Serral, had already won his match and qualified based on the incorrect bracket





It was ruled that the completed matches would be voided and the bracket would be correctly reseeded to the intended matches. There was a 2 hour delay issued for the event with the reasoning of giving players time to prepare for their new match ups.

The correct bracket has
(Z)Elazer vs (Z)Bly
(T)uThermal vs (Z)Stephano
(Z)Serral vs (P)Harstem

The (Z)Snute vs (Z)Nerchio match has been left unchanged.

It is believed that the NA Challengers bracket may also have similar seeding issues, but no changes have been made at this time.

The NA Challengers bracket appears to be correct from the start. No changes will be needed

This is not the first issue with WCS this season, as in the NA Challenger events, Scarlett and Hunta restarted a match after playing most of it with skins active (skins must be turned off during WCS events).
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
January 07 2018 20:09 GMT
#2
This whole thing is pretty sad to be honest.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
392 Posts
January 07 2018 20:12 GMT
#3
Maybe hire some more people, Blizz or DH. Then at least some jobs will have been created from this screwup.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 07 2018 20:15 GMT
#4
I've seen people say that the NA Challenger brackets are wrong, but they seem completely correct to me... Could someone enlighten me?
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
January 07 2018 20:15 GMT
#5
Incompetency at Blizzard? I'm SHOCKED.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 07 2018 20:17 GMT
#6
Incredible that after all these years these things keep happening. Is WCS circuit cursed or is it really that hard to find decent admins? Or is it that the organizers don’t provide them with the necessary resources? (Rules, updated player info, etc)
Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
January 07 2018 20:17 GMT
#7
How embarrassing.
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-07 20:20:32
January 07 2018 20:20 GMT
#8
On January 08 2018 05:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I've seen people say that the NA Challenger brackets are wrong, but they seem completely correct to me... Could someone enlighten me?

I have read that players from the same group are not meant to meet before the final. Neeb and JonSnow are on the same half of the bracket and are both from group A meaning they could meet in the semifinals. This is also true with Scarlett and puCK
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 07 2018 20:25 GMT
#9
On January 08 2018 05:20 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2018 05:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I've seen people say that the NA Challenger brackets are wrong, but they seem completely correct to me... Could someone enlighten me?

I have read that players from the same group are not meant to meet before the final. Neeb and JonSnow are on the same half of the bracket and are both from group A meaning they could meet in the semifinals. This is also true with Scarlett and puCK


That's not in the rules: https://wcs.dreamhack.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/StarCraft-II-WCS-Challenger-Pre-season-Tournament-Ruleset.pdf.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 07 2018 20:26 GMT
#10
On January 08 2018 05:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2018 05:20 Shellshock wrote:
On January 08 2018 05:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I've seen people say that the NA Challenger brackets are wrong, but they seem completely correct to me... Could someone enlighten me?

I have read that players from the same group are not meant to meet before the final. Neeb and JonSnow are on the same half of the bracket and are both from group A meaning they could meet in the semifinals. This is also true with Scarlett and puCK


That's not in the rules: https://wcs.dreamhack.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/StarCraft-II-WCS-Challenger-Pre-season-Tournament-Ruleset.pdf.

ah ok so it's just WCS points. then NA is prob fine and people are just confused in general now with EU being adjusted
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Aunvilgodess
Profile Joined May 2016
954 Posts
January 07 2018 20:29 GMT
#11
it doesnt display the pictures for me. Why is that?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
January 07 2018 20:30 GMT
#12
This is a simple administrative error, and one that could have easily been avoided. A timely correction might have turned this issue into a minor hiccup but the admins failed to do even that much.

Disappointing.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 07 2018 20:35 GMT
#13
What a mess, pretty bad that the players had to point out the mistake, they would not have noticed it otherwise.

Personally I am happy, since I wasn't at home until just now and will be able to watch the games live and there are less ZvZs.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Kovzirg
Profile Joined July 2016
126 Posts
January 07 2018 20:36 GMT
#14
Fail.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
January 07 2018 20:37 GMT
#15
Lol wow. Who is supposed to be running WCS qualifiers?
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
January 07 2018 20:52 GMT
#16
On January 08 2018 05:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I've seen people say that the NA Challenger brackets are wrong, but they seem completely correct to me... Could someone enlighten me?

The rule book states the Ro16 groups are seeded "based on 2017 WCS Point rankings." If it's tier 1 rank1-4, tier2 rank5-8, tier3 rank9-12, tier4 rank13-16, then it's correct. The Ro8 is also correct.

very illegal and very uncool
I wasbanned fromthis
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
113 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-08 00:49:07
January 07 2018 21:00 GMT
#17
DH FTW
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
January 07 2018 21:02 GMT
#18
Okay I wasn't going to say anything but after seeing the headline a second time I can't help but laugh at this, again, and shake my head, again. At least the players are looking things over and pointing out the issues.
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
January 07 2018 21:08 GMT
#19
On January 08 2018 05:52 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2018 05:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I've seen people say that the NA Challenger brackets are wrong, but they seem completely correct to me... Could someone enlighten me?

The rule book states the Ro16 groups are seeded "based on 2017 WCS Point rankings." If it's tier 1 rank1-4, tier2 rank5-8, tier3 rank9-12, tier4 rank13-16, then it's correct. The Ro8 is also correct.


For EU the Ro16 groups should be correct with the same type of seeding I mentioned above.
Old Ro8 bracket was wrong because elazer can only face bly/harstem not stephano and uthermal can only face snute/stephano not harstem. New bracket is correct.
very illegal and very uncool
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
January 07 2018 21:24 GMT
#20
Serral 6-0ed to qualify :D
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
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