What's even sadder is that it was noticed yesterday (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/529877-wcs-2018-leipzig-europe-challenger-league?page=4#78) and nothing was made...

Musicus

Germany23576 Posts

January 07 2018 22:06 GMT

#25

This feeling must really suck. Preparing for an opponent, bein up 1-0 and then this happens and it's all for nothing.

Boggyb

2855 Posts

January 07 2018 22:48 GMT

#26

Weren't the playoff brackets wrong at one or more offline WCS event last year? I remember SpeCial saying something about it at one of the events. (I think the bracket gave him an early match with Neeb rather than being on the other side of the bracket)

In that case, the general consensus was that it was likely an attempt to rig the brackets to prevent a ZvZ final.

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

January 07 2018 23:00 GMT

#27

On January 08 2018 07:48 Boggyb wrote:
Weren't the playoff brackets wrong at one or more offline WCS event last year? I remember SpeCial saying something about it at one of the events. (I think the bracket gave him an early match with Neeb rather than being on the other side of the bracket)

In that case, the general consensus was that it was likely an attempt to rig the brackets to prevent a ZvZ final.

WCS Valencia brackets were bizarre (and didn't get corrected) iirc. The regular crowd who claimed that the brackets were rigged to prevent ZvZ were just being retarded as usual though.

Anoss

21 Posts

January 07 2018 23:21 GMT

#28

From the point of view of a SC2 web tv manager, there are several things that seem to be going in the wrong direction and not being talked about enough.

Firstly it would be necessary to stop playing all the games together, even for a WCS qualifier, it is a major competition and we can not highlight the players if we can follow only 3 games out of the 12 that will be played in the evening.

Moreover, the games have become so fast since the arrival of the 12 collectors that we will systematically have qualifier that lasts 2h30. It's not enough to do a good job, I could have understood if the game was still in 6 collectors, but it is 2 elements that drastically reduce the show. It's too much.

Balancing is also a problem, I respect the new team and I want to give their time, but the people who look at the E-sport are there to have a good time now, not tomorrow, not when the patch will come. If at one time the hydras win systematically without upgrade, people get tired of always seeing the same game of 12 min, with always the same opening, it's not fun, and it's not the Starcraft 2 that has made so many people dream.

After 7 years you have to be honest, either the game is moving in the right direction, or people are getting tired. Even with a free-to-play game and special beginner programs (the Creamery on OGSC2) we can not get people to play because the game has become too demanding. Most of us do not see it because we played so much at WOL / HOTS that we had time to understand the units, shortcuts and mechanics of the game.

Now players have to understand everything with an ultra fast game that does not allow to do simple things. The 6 pool was simple, now all builds minimum requests to know all keyboard shortcuts, which is not normal. It's a long time ago when we could see a pro player won as a DRG with an 8 pool, which anyone could try after 3 hours of play.

So we end up with a game centered on the pros players, which themselves is limited in builds order compared to HOTS while we have more unit now. We could say that the players are more dreamy than before because the game is harder but the opposite has happened: the game is too hard, so more people do not dream of being strong at SC2, because it takes too much time for the pleasure it brings.

So, i can understand what's happened tonight, it happens sometimes, the problem is when you add up all the problems around the game, you realize that without good choice on the part of Blizzard, it will be difficult for the community to continue to maintain this game at the top of the bill.

We need you Blizzard, please, if people are not competent change the post, but move SC2 in the right direction, because after 7 years of passion, it becomes complicated to ignore all these problems.

Best Regards

Anoss

opisska

Poland8852 Posts

January 07 2018 23:42 GMT

#29

On January 08 2018 05:17 Silvana wrote:
Incredible that after all these years these things keep happening. Is WCS circuit cursed or is it really that hard to find decent admins? Or is it that the organizers don’t provide them with the necessary resources? (Rules, updated player info, etc)

This situation is so serious that it caused Silvana to actually post. Somebody, do something now!

argonautdice

Canada2719 Posts

January 08 2018 01:08 GMT

#30

Here's a question: why didn't they delay the ro8 for 24 hours instead of 2 hours to give players time to prepare once they figured out the brackets were wrong? Sure mistakes happen, but in my opinion the real mess-up was not giving the players enough time to prepare for their new opponents/process the abrupt change.

[16thSq] Kuro

1215 Posts

January 08 2018 01:11 GMT

#31

On January 08 2018 10:08 argonautdice wrote:
Here's a question: why didn't they delay the ro8 for 24 hours instead of 2 hours to give players time to prepare once they figured out the brackets were wrong? Sure mistakes happen, but in my opinion the real mess-up was not giving the players enough time to prepare for their new opponents/process the abrupt change.

argonautdice

Canada2719 Posts

January 08 2018 01:21 GMT

#32

On January 08 2018 10:11 [16thSq] Kuro wrote:

Show nested quote +

https://twitter.com/HarstemSc2/status/950106327942074369

"We don't want to pay our admin for an extra day"

Zzoram

Canada7115 Posts

January 08 2018 05:56 GMT

#33

The players whose race matchups changed were worst impacted. Practicing for a PvT then getting 2 hours notice it is actually a PvZ is a lot worse than ZvZ and only the opponent changing.

DSK

England1110 Posts

January 08 2018 07:51 GMT

#34

This is a sad read. Condolences to the players who got royally shafted in all this. Are DH not going to do something for them? Can we get His Royal Highness filthyrake to do another tourney? I can't afford it but I'd be damned not to put my money where my mouth and StarCraft passion is and pledge £100 if he does get one together.

Also, had no idea Heyoka worked for DH.

engesser1

264 Posts

January 08 2018 09:32 GMT

#35

No wonder. It got worse and worse. In my eyes it's unacceptable especially to Harstem. Shitty apologies (as usual) and that's all? What's next? If you wanna play, you should pay to them?
btw where is TB's reaction?

Strelok

Ukraine320 Posts

January 08 2018 12:12 GMT

#36

Everyone can make mistakes. It's okay. But it is not normal, that the players have to pay for them. Why couldn't DH reschedule the tournament for some time and give players the possibility to prepare?

hexhaven

Finland953 Posts

January 08 2018 12:28 GMT

#37

Really though spot for the players.

brickrd

United States4894 Posts

January 08 2018 18:38 GMT

#38

unfortunate, and i feel bad for the players who must be frustrated. but if blizzard/DH/whomever is ultimately responsible can't manage to find the money and the personnel to run these things properly, well, that speaks for itself in a way. people love to witch hunt, but i'd rather be grateful the SC2 scene exists at all than shit on what's left of it for not being run properly

FvRGg

68 Posts

January 08 2018 21:25 GMT

#39

I'm not trying to fuel the flames, I think you are dealing with this situation as professionally as you can. But...How is bracketing a 'complex' process? It's extremely simple. You make it sound like it's a complicated art form that most wouldn't understand making a seeded bracket. That's ridiculous.

NKexquisite

United States911 Posts

January 09 2018 00:45 GMT

#40

Acknowledge the mistake and move on.. It's not worth dwelling on and railing the tournament... We dont need witch hunts to drive people and organizations... Learn from the mistake and move on.