This change is spot on. I imagine byun can stick with his reapers even after this patch. The damage was a bonus but the actual impact is the grenade displacement/knockback.

Hopefully this will allow byun to shine in his reaper control even more. Right now everything just dies to a few grenade splashes; this will probably allow differentiation between the unpolished 3 rax reaper control and the control of someone with full understanding of grenade physics.

ThunderBum

Australia192 Posts

August 03 2017 05:52 GMT

#25

People shit on the reaper ability for its "terrible design" and yet it's part of so many tense game moments and highlight videos. Glad they don't want to take that away.

bakemonoda

United Kingdom18 Posts

August 03 2017 06:14 GMT

#26

reaper build is dead cant defend vs ravager all in after at all with reapers

PharaphobiaSC

Czech Republic457 Posts

August 03 2017 06:21 GMT

#27

If I would not visit this site and reddit, I would not even realize that the KD8 damage was changed.. if terran execute things properly you can still pretty much die to it and they can still macro behind it aswell.

The only thing which this update did is that they have to be a little more patient and aware of things, thats it =)

Kingsky

Singapore298 Posts

August 03 2017 07:49 GMT

#28

They should give reaper more basic damage from it's pistols to compensate for the change.

Inazuma

17 Posts

August 03 2017 07:56 GMT

#29

They should double the knockback on the grenades in exchange

Ej_

47656 Posts

August 03 2017 08:40 GMT

#30

They should give reapers yamato in exchange.

hiroshOne

Poland425 Posts

August 03 2017 08:41 GMT

#31

Mass reapers are too powerful in TvZ and too forgiving even when failed as defending vs that itself is damaging Zerg's eco/tech. I'm glad to see nerf, but i feel granade dmg is not the case. But we'll see how it plays. We have Serral vs Byun on the corner. It can be a good test.

Charoisaur

Germany16063 Posts

August 03 2017 08:53 GMT

#32

Reapers should be able to spawn BL/Infestor

AxiomBlurr

786 Posts

August 03 2017 09:42 GMT

#33

For one I am looking forward to seeing what Terrans come up with early game v Z now...

hiroshOne

Poland425 Posts

August 03 2017 13:59 GMT

#34

U mean hellbat push, widowmine, tank push, banshee, hellion drop, double medivak stim marines drop? I would say there's a lot of it.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17505 Posts

August 03 2017 14:02 GMT

#35

On August 03 2017 22:59 hiroshOne wrote:
U mean hellbat push, widowmine, tank push, banshee, hellion drop, double medivak stim marines drop? I would say there's a lot of it.

i don't think double-medivac-stim-marine-drop is early game

Spyridon

United States997 Posts

August 03 2017 15:39 GMT

#36

On August 03 2017 02:36 xTJx wrote:
Looks like the "new" balance team is 3x slower than before. Maybe in 2 months we'll have a patch and in 3 years they'll realise mass oracle is broken in PvZ.

I think you are giving too much credit to the old balance team. Take a look at the entire log of patch notes since LotV release lol

TelecoM

United States10717 Posts

August 03 2017 15:45 GMT

#37

Thank god, always so late on balance updates lol

jpg06051992

United States580 Posts

August 03 2017 16:16 GMT

#38

This is good for the Reaper even though a cost increase would have been nice, the main thing for the KD8 charge is disruption and knock back, so it doing less damage is definitely going to make getting caught by a few of them much less punishing.

For the record to all the people complaining on how long it took, they specifically stated that they were going to wait until a particular tournament was concluded (I forget the exact one, was it GSL and IEM?) so can't hate on them too much for the lag.

SC2 is coming to a pretty decent point in it's balance i think.

Aron Times

United States312 Posts

August 03 2017 17:04 GMT

#39

On August 03 2017 02:36 xTJx wrote:
Looks like the "new" balance team is 3x slower than before. Maybe in 2 months we'll have a patch and in 3 years they'll realise mass oracle is broken in PvZ.

How exactly does Blizzard's balance team work? Do they not have the authority to do things without someone high up to approve everything? It seems like they're so bogged down in bureaucracy (and stubborness) that they just ignore really obvious solutions to their problems.

A lot of the problems of LotV comes from the fact that there are too many god damned abilities in the game. It's basically gimmick-craft.

tl;dr: The problem is not game balance but game design, but everything they put forward ignores game design and focuses solely on game balance.