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NonY
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On July 22 2017 09:05 riotjune wrote: Why would I buy skins if other people can't see them? Kinda defeats the purpose imo. Look upon me equestria for I am rarity I know that is one value of the skins to some people but I'm suggesting that the skins still exist and you can set them for both your own army and your opponent's. The purpose of the skins would be for customization, not for expressing yourself to your opponents. Streamers would still be showing their skins to others and observers would still see each player's chosen skins. Or you could opt to see your opponent's chosen skins like normal. The only people who wouldn't see your self-expression would be the people who don't care to so there's really no loss. This also adds value to skins because there'd be a purpose for a one-race player to collect skins for all three races. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
The way that HT and Archons skins are set up is weird, but if they make more HT- and DT-specific Archon skins (special HT skin transforms into special Archon, for example), then it might make sense? I've always felt for the multiple DT models it gave more character to each DT, every one felt like a little, unique hero slaying things on the battlefield. It seems like a big personal preference though, maybe in the future letting players pick "1 up to X" DT or Ghost skins could happen. For UI/UX/client features stuff: I really hope that we can get another update to the game to let people do things like browse the latest StarCraft news/Blizz articles and read the comics in the client itself instead of being shot into your browser. If the War Chest was higher up like in the main top bar (or let you hover over the keyhole and click to open/go to its page) instead of under Main Screen/Campaign/then click on War Chest, I think that'd be nice for not just people who have it but also for Blizz to get people's eyes on it easier. There is the "Learn More" button, but I noticed myself and a friend of mine both assumed it behaved the same as other News Buttons and would shoot us out of the game, so maybe it's more of a consistency issue with a small number of players, curious how many others did this. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On July 22 2017 09:21 NonY wrote: I know that is one value of the skins to some people but I'm suggesting that the skins still exist and you can set them for both your own army and your opponent's. The purpose of the skins would be for customization, not for expressing yourself to your opponents. Streamers would still be showing their skins to others and observers would still see each player's chosen skins. Or you could opt to see your opponent's chosen skins like normal. The only people who wouldn't see your self-expression would be the people who don't care to so there's really no loss. This also adds value to skins because there'd be a purpose for a one-race player to collect skins for all three races. I think having the option in Custom Games could work, but... it's sort of like being able to choose how you see somebody else's clothes or hairstyle (a very very odd comparison lol, but it's the best I came up with). It's just weird to choose what you see from your opponent's army, it's their army after all. It would take too much away from other players for me to be okay with, so I don't think it's a good option for ladder play. If it were Custom-only, or an "opt in" deal for War Chest owners only, something like that would be better. Here, maybe this helps express how I feel about it better: Self-expression, in this way for many people, is very dependent on not only how you see yourself, your team color and the style you play and which units you love to use and which skins you pick for those units, but also how those around you see you, how others see you play and how they see your army on the battlefield. All of that, to me, should be kept for each individual player. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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PuroYO
Norway163 Posts
War Chest is working, I just wish they made it feel a little more special, not a hidden tab behind the collection tab, also, there is no marketing in-game about it, lost opportunities. Oh yeah, they should update the what's new tab with WC info or have it on the front page so it's the first thing people see and a prize pool counter in-game or at least a link to it, make more people interested in it, even those who might not care about pro sc2 could be interested. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On July 22 2017 09:50 blunderfulguy wrote: I think having the option in Custom Games could work, but... it's sort of like being able to choose how you see somebody else's clothes or hairstyle (a very very odd comparison lol, but it's the best I came up with). It's just weird to choose what you see from your opponent's army, it's their army after all. It would take too much away from other players for me to be okay with, so I don't think it's a good option for ladder play. If it were Custom-only, or an "opt in" deal for War Chest owners only, something like that would be better. Here, maybe this helps express how I feel about it better: Self-expression, in this way for many people, is very dependent on not only how you see yourself, your team color and the style you play and which units you love to use and which skins you pick for those units, but also how those around you see you, how others see you play and how they see your army on the battlefield. All of that, to me, should be kept for each individual player. But this was already the norm and continues to be how the game works for army colors. For example, I see my army as green and my opponent as red. They see their army as green and mine as red. The observer sees us as red and blue. Anyway, self-expression is still possible without an audience. You are your own audience; you do it for yourself. And having control of your enemy's appearance provides you with even more choices to exercise your preferences. Whether or not you make all this a social experience, whether other people see your choices and you see their choices, could very well just be an option. Or rather I think that should be the default and there should be an option to be asocial. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2631 Posts
On July 22 2017 09:34 blunderfulguy wrote: I'll also add that I'd love for people to be able to add skins to their pool of "active skins" and once they're in the game it would randomly select one skin for each unit from that pool. The way that HT and Archons skins are set up is weird, but if they make more HT- and DT-specific Archon skins (special HT skin transforms into special Archon, for example), then it might make sense? I've always felt for the multiple DT models it gave more character to each DT, every one felt like a little, unique hero slaying things on the battlefield. It seems like a big personal preference though, maybe in the future letting players pick "1 up to X" DT or Ghost skins could happen. For UI/UX/client features stuff: I really hope that we can get another update to the game to let people do things like browse the latest StarCraft news/Blizz articles and read the comics in the client itself instead of being shot into your browser. If the War Chest was higher up like in the main top bar (or let you hover over the keyhole and click to open/go to its page) instead of under Main Screen/Campaign/then click on War Chest, I think that'd be nice for not just people who have it but also for Blizz to get people's eyes on it easier. There is the "Learn More" button, but I noticed myself and a friend of mine both assumed it behaved the same as other News Buttons and would shoot us out of the game, so maybe it's more of a consistency issue with a small number of players, curious how many others did this. I agree 100%. I made a post on reddit and got shat on for that idea. There's really no point in buying new skins if you already like all the skins you own. If they want to make it truly feel like a "collection" there really needs to be some way where all the skins you like can still be displayable (if it gets randomized every match that is okay 100%). An alternative is to just have all the skins work like DT models, but I can see this getting very cluttered and hard to implement. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On July 22 2017 08:50 NonY wrote: I wish I could set opponent skins. Maybe I'll get used to them but there are nuances to learn like what an overlord with ventral sacs looks like. I just had a game against the mutant skin and thought it didn't have ventral sacs and was just scouting, and then lings started coming out. Once leviathan brood is out I'll have to study the differences. I thought the special forces marauder was a hellbat at first. The fancy roaches make me think they have tunneling claws. Maybe playing a ton of games will overcome the issues and all skins will feel comfortable and immediately recognizable, but just playing a few games here and there with skins is confusing. Also the different wire frames for my own units confuse me, but I think that'll be overcome quickly since it's something I see every game. Totally agree, we need an option to turn off seeing other people's skins. Don't pros have special feedback channels to Blizzard? Make them fix this! | ||
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Creager
Germany1921 Posts
On July 22 2017 15:52 paralleluniverse wrote: Totally agree, we need an option to turn off seeing other people's skins. Don't pros have special feedback channels to Blizzard? Make them fix this! They could name it "tournament mode" to underline the aspect of sportsmanship or something. At this point all I can say that having all those skins in the game is making me not want to play anymore. | ||
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BamBam
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On July 22 2017 08:50 NonY wrote: I wish I could set opponent skins. Maybe I'll get used to them but there are nuances to learn like what an overlord with ventral sacs looks like. I just had a game against the mutant skin and thought it didn't have ventral sacs and was just scouting, and then lings started coming out. Once leviathan brood is out I'll have to study the differences. I thought the special forces marauder was a hellbat at first. The fancy roaches make me think they have tunneling claws. Maybe playing a ton of games will overcome the issues and all skins will feel comfortable and immediately recognizable, but just playing a few games here and there with skins is confusing. Also the different wire frames for my own units confuse me, but I think that'll be overcome quickly since it's something I see every game. That, please. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you pointed out in this thread. | ||
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Elentos
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Dingodile
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On July 22 2017 09:05 riotjune wrote: Why would I buy skins if other people can't see them? Kinda defeats the purpose imo. Look upon me equestria for I am rarity Why I should buy skins when I see them (from opponent) almost every game? Kinda defeats the purpose too. | ||
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PuroYO
Norway163 Posts
On July 22 2017 15:52 paralleluniverse wrote: Totally agree, we need an option to turn off seeing other people's skins. Don't pros have special feedback channels to Blizzard? Make them fix this! No, removing the ability to see skins would negate the whole purpose of the WC. PS: They really should have a dynamic counter, not a static one which is updated once per week. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On July 22 2017 18:46 PuroYO wrote: No, removing the ability to see skins would negate the whole purpose of the WC. PS: They really should have a dynamic counter, not a static one which is updated once per week. This "prizepool counter" stops at 700k, at this rate it stops in 3 days. War chest Phase 2 and 3 not even needed. | ||
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PuroYO
Norway163 Posts
On July 22 2017 19:25 Dingodile wrote: This "prizepool counter" stops at 700k, at this rate it stops in 3 days. War chest Phase 2 and 3 not even needed. Y..yes. I still think they should have a counter in-game, and it be dynamic. PS: I dislike the time gated on unlockables from the War Chest, I want to unlock it all now, not wait for separate stages separated by weeks. | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On July 22 2017 18:27 Dingodile wrote: Why I should buy skins when I see them (from opponent) almost every game? Kinda defeats the purpose too. Exactly. Save your money guys | ||
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