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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
April 27 2007 05:26 GMT
#161
On April 27 2007 07:05 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2007 21:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
On April 26 2007 19:28 Sadist wrote:
i cant believe someone said D2 was a bad game

;(

d2 was fun and simple, how was it bad?


When people think their opinion is "fact" . Blizzard never release a bad game. Their products get rave reviews and sell tons.

3D doesn't make units slow. The unit speed is set by the developers to probably make it is more realistic in scale. Tanks don't go 100 mph in real life.

The response time is due to the animation. Units going 180 in 2D is instant while in 3D, it has the 'turn around animation' to make the transition look smooth.


Units in SC also don't turn instantly Most units turn around 30-40 degree per frame, so for a 180 degree turn they need 4-5 frames(0.16 - 0.2 seconds on fastest game speed), so it's not because of the animation, but because of the intended the game pace


Comparatively with other 3D RTS, BW's response is practically instant

We'll agree that an action for 3D games have a lot more frames hence a more delayed response. Perhaps game developer doesn't get enough complaint on the unit control to warrant any fixing. Most casual gamers are more focus on the supposed "strategy" than the unit control to notice their units are responding a few millisecond late.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 27 2007 06:26 GMT
#162
you can in fact change these figures like turning speed in custom editors, even for w3. i mean there are custom maps for w3 out there that make certain units turn instantly.

this is not really a 3-d or whatnot issue but something that can be changed if enough people complain about it, or tehy find it is no good to gameplay during testing
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
April 27 2007 06:31 GMT
#163
On April 26 2007 21:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2007 19:28 Sadist wrote:
i cant believe someone said D2 was a bad game

;(

d2 was fun and simple, how was it bad?


When people think their opinion is "fact" . Blizzard never release a bad game. Their products get rave reviews and sell tons.

3D doesn't make units slow. The unit speed is set by the developers to probably make it is more realistic in scale. Tanks don't go 100 mph in real life.

The response time is due to the animation. Units going 180 in 2D is instant while in 3D, it has the 'turn around animation' to make the transition look smooth.


Starcraft didn't get rave reviews.
Happiness only real when shared.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
April 27 2007 06:32 GMT
#164
On April 27 2007 15:31 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2007 21:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
On April 26 2007 19:28 Sadist wrote:
i cant believe someone said D2 was a bad game

;(

d2 was fun and simple, how was it bad?


When people think their opinion is "fact" . Blizzard never release a bad game. Their products get rave reviews and sell tons.

3D doesn't make units slow. The unit speed is set by the developers to probably make it is more realistic in scale. Tanks don't go 100 mph in real life.

The response time is due to the animation. Units going 180 in 2D is instant while in 3D, it has the 'turn around animation' to make the transition look smooth.


Starcraft didn't get rave reviews.


But it sell tons ?
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ebba
Profile Joined July 2003
Australia63 Posts
April 27 2007 10:08 GMT
#165
It's like the tectonic plates of Blizzard moved just a little bit and now the simple villagers of the island nation of TeamLiquid are drowning in a nerd tsunami or something.
Sw1tCh
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2005 Posts
April 27 2007 10:26 GMT
#166
I hope this is true.
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2933 Posts
April 27 2007 10:41 GMT
#167
wc3 is hard to broadcast??!?!?!?
Fuck KeSPA.
teky
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1 Post
April 30 2007 10:42 GMT
#168
testie the old testie from DS way back in the day?
har har
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1847 Posts
May 01 2007 10:44 GMT
#169
On April 27 2007 15:31 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2007 21:00 [X]Ken_D wrote:
On April 26 2007 19:28 Sadist wrote:
i cant believe someone said D2 was a bad game

;(

d2 was fun and simple, how was it bad?


When people think their opinion is "fact" . Blizzard never release a bad game. Their products get rave reviews and sell tons.

3D doesn't make units slow. The unit speed is set by the developers to probably make it is more realistic in scale. Tanks don't go 100 mph in real life.

The response time is due to the animation. Units going 180 in 2D is instant while in 3D, it has the 'turn around animation' to make the transition look smooth.


Starcraft didn't get rave reviews.

It was a little underrated at the time compared to how well it's considered now, but it got pretty good reviews on release nonetheless.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
May 01 2007 11:24 GMT
#170
well, it better be good, it could ruin BW
Dr_Protoss
Profile Joined April 2007
Korea (South)14 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-01 15:28:41
May 01 2007 15:25 GMT
#171
Anyway, I hope it can run on my computer.
Hm... but W3 couldn't run on.
The Hero Returns~
FLW-Shinobi
Profile Joined May 2005
United States6 Posts
May 01 2007 22:41 GMT
#172
YES! finally all the people with crappy computers and 56k modems can't play cause they cant afford a decent computer. No more lag! Horray!

Also to all the idiots that think they need to spend $2000 for a computer...truly morons. You can build a VERY HIGH end comp for around the $1000 makrs. Thats with like a intel e6600, and the best video card available 8800GTX 768mb video card now. cpu= $230, video card = 600$ hard drive 50$, mobo 100$, ram 100$ there you have best comp for less than 1200$. If you are cheap build a 500$ comp..with a 200$video card and cheaper cpu. dual cores as cheap as 80$.

Also to the other idiotic group of people that crys "boohoo its going to be crappy 3d like w3 engine and units will be slow and big in my face", wth would they use a old ass engine to make a new game...please think before you speak. Also theres a difference between 3D GRAPHICS and PERSPECTIVE. Just cause a game is 3D, doesnt mean its going to be like some sort of first person shooter view or a rotated view...They can DESIGN the perspective to whatever they like, even a top down look..They can also design the physics, the way units move, the speed, everything dumbasses. Do you expect a game in 2007 to be in f***ing 2D? go live in a cave if you do.

Some guy mentioned "they gonna use w3 engine cause its the best one available for rts now"...WOW more stupidity. Have you seen command and conquer 3? Conclusion: You too dumb to play starcraft 2. THE END
Who is shinobi112? LOL
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9021 Posts
May 01 2007 22:47 GMT
#173
On May 02 2007 07:41 FLW-Shinobi wrote: . Do you expect a game in 2007 to be in f***ing 2D? go live in a cave if you do.

Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 01 2007 22:57 GMT
#174
Thanks shinobi.

Of course it will play much smoother than wc3. Besides, nobody except for SC:BW fans will buy a 2d game nowadays.

mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
May 01 2007 23:24 GMT
#175
On May 02 2007 07:41 FLW-Shinobi wrote:
YES! finally all the people with crappy computers and 56k modems can't play cause they cant afford a decent computer. No more lag! Horray!

Also to all the idiots that think they need to spend $2000 for a computer...truly morons. You can build a VERY HIGH end comp for around the $1000 makrs. Thats with like a intel e6600, and the best video card available 8800GTX 768mb video card now. cpu= $230, video card = 600$ hard drive 50$, mobo 100$, ram 100$ there you have best comp for less than 1200$. If you are cheap build a 500$ comp..with a 200$video card and cheaper cpu. dual cores as cheap as 80$.

Also to the other idiotic group of people that crys "boohoo its going to be crappy 3d like w3 engine and units will be slow and big in my face", wth would they use a old ass engine to make a new game...please think before you speak. Also theres a difference between 3D GRAPHICS and PERSPECTIVE. Just cause a game is 3D, doesnt mean its going to be like some sort of first person shooter view or a rotated view...They can DESIGN the perspective to whatever they like, even a top down look..They can also design the physics, the way units move, the speed, everything dumbasses. Do you expect a game in 2007 to be in f***ing 2D? go live in a cave if you do.

Some guy mentioned "they gonna use w3 engine cause its the best one available for rts now"...WOW more stupidity. Have you seen command and conquer 3? Conclusion: You too dumb to play starcraft 2. THE END


I think that tl.net is not a good forum for you, you know? gg.net may be better for you.. go there and you'll find people with the same opinions like you..

gl.
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
May 01 2007 23:55 GMT
#176
3D means one aditional dimension.

In my book, that means a potentially very interesting gameplay. it doesnt mean the game will slow down, they just need to do it right.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
May 02 2007 00:03 GMT
#177
On May 02 2007 08:55 niteReloaded wrote:
3D means one aditional dimension.

In my book, that means a potentially very interesting gameplay. it doesnt mean the game will slow down, they just need to do it right.

Every 3D RTS to date has failed professionally (one could argue that CnC3 is doing ok, but the complete lack of micro is it's downfall). I have faith in Blizzard however, and KNOW that they can pull this off.
rest_less
Profile Joined January 2007
Germany142 Posts
May 02 2007 00:16 GMT
#178
i hope that it will run on old comps good because i do not want to buy one just for one game, though i probably would do
There is nothing more ridicoulus than "trying".
Fuu
Profile Joined May 2006
198 Posts
May 02 2007 00:32 GMT
#179
They can pull off something great for sure. The fucking nuance almost nobody here seems to understand is that it's almost impossible they pull something AS good, considering the nowadays constraints.

How many guys will come saying the same "they always released great games" bullshit. WTF ? Thats true but thats not the question. They will probably kill the genious game to put something good instead, weeeeee. As for renewing the community, whats the point if its for a poor or less good game ?

Now if you are happy with something decent because it changes, go for it, like millions did with W3. Thats stupid but i assume thats the way most of the kids see the things nowadays. But dont come here trying to convert people before we actually see the game.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
May 02 2007 00:51 GMT
#180
i hope the programmers have figured out a way to get around the lag that 3D rts games all have in terms of unit responsiveness
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