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Thanks to everyone who provided feedback. We appreciate all the thoughts and discussions around the proposed map changes. After reading over the feedback, we are prepared to implement the following changes:
Blood Boil
- Gold minerals were changed to blue minerals at the expansions located near the center of the map.
- A Reaper path was removed near the natural expansion.
Also, we noticed an issue where players were unable to cast the Oracle’s Stasis Ward through the fog of war without having vision beforehand. Along with the map changes, this Oracle issue will be fixed as well.
Thanks again for your continued feedback!
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ZigguratOfUr
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The change is fine (though I'm not convinced Blood Boil is salvage). Would've been nice if they commented more about their reasoning, and other stuff the community brought up such as why they don't like rich geysers.
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Where is the balance update for swarmhosts? 3 updates in a row now from the balance team...that have no actual balance changes.
Is the community actually ok with this?
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On June 27 2017 04:27 avilo wrote:
Where is the balance update for swarmhosts? 3 updates in a row now from the balance team...that have no actual balance changes.
Is the community actually ok with this?
gsl final won by mech not enough for you? 
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On June 27 2017 04:27 avilo wrote:
Where is the balance update for swarmhosts? 3 updates in a row now from the balance team...that have no actual balance changes.
Is the community actually ok with this?
Lest see, which races won the big tournaments since the big change after Blizzcon:
A Terran in Gyeonggi,
A Terran in Katowice.
A Protoss in GSL 1,
A Protoss in both WCS events (one of which was on the current map pool, which is claimed to be Zerg favored),
A Terran in SSL1,
A mech Terran in GSL 2.
Did a Zerg player won something serious... no! (some second places, but nothing more than that) So is there any reason for Zerg nerfs... doesn't seem so. Maybe some buffs.
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On June 27 2017 04:30 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 04:27 avilo wrote:
Where is the balance update for swarmhosts? 3 updates in a row now from the balance team...that have no actual balance changes.
Is the community actually ok with this? gsl final won by mech not enough for you?
to be fair, soO didn't use any swarm hosts. obviously this is because they were too good and he didn't want to make it unfair, right?
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On June 27 2017 04:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 04:30 Scarlett` wrote:On June 27 2017 04:27 avilo wrote:
Where is the balance update for swarmhosts? 3 updates in a row now from the balance team...that have no actual balance changes.
Is the community actually ok with this? gsl final won by mech not enough for you? to be fair, soO didn't use any swarm hosts. obviously this is because they were too good and he didn't want to make it unfair, right?
no it's because the best korean zerg doesn't know how to play vs mech obviously
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¿wHeRe iS tHe BaLaNcE pAtCh FoR sWaRm HoStS?
Ah, mmm, yes. The big question to end all big questions same question about a topic that has been talked to death and beyond the afterlife over several months. When, when will it be answered? Golly, if only we could know.
User was warned for this post
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On June 27 2017 04:30 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 04:27 avilo wrote:
Where is the balance update for swarmhosts? 3 updates in a row now from the balance team...that have no actual balance changes.
Is the community actually ok with this? gsl final won by mech not enough for you?
Of course not. Didn't you see the balance test mod he put out?
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On June 27 2017 05:13 Jj_82 wrote:
War chests, anyone?
THIS is a good question. People are interested in it, it's meant to do something positive for the game and its community, and we don't have a lot of information about it. I like this question and I also want to know more.
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On June 27 2017 05:18 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 04:30 Scarlett` wrote:On June 27 2017 04:27 avilo wrote:
Where is the balance update for swarmhosts? 3 updates in a row now from the balance team...that have no actual balance changes.
Is the community actually ok with this? gsl final won by mech not enough for you? Of course not. Didn't you see the balance test mod he put out?
it was hilarious, basically Swarm hosts 1k/1k, cost 25 supply and self-immolate when casting locusts.
More on topic: I like this info, I'm not expecting, nor do I want, drastic balance changes that completely upend the meta in one moment. I like this (continuation) of a balanced & careful approach.
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ok. the less changes the better. They started with balance changes every week, now they tune in to "fix" map issues once in a month. im completely fine with this aproach. I wish they just got lost for a couple of years for meta to settle in the game for the first fucking time in the game's history.
p.s. overgrowth next season please
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yes, overgrowth, a map we havent played enough for billion of months...... LOL
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I think overall game ballance is in an ok spot right now except for pvz. Bane hydra allins are just to strong in this map pool. Even the best Protoss pros can't deal well with it and generally have to rely on gimikey 2 base builds to stop it. (See classic vs Soo in recent gsl for an example) I just want to encounter Protoss in high-mid masters on ladder agian. Right now the game on NA server feels like it's zvt and tvt craft.
The blood boil change is a good start since having a gold base that easy to take will usualy make a map highly Zerg favored in pvz, but more changes will be needed, mabey it would be better to somehow nerf hydra name or buff Protoss against it so that we don't have to have such a restriction on map design, this map pool is prity interesting and fun some of the maps, especially abyssal have interesting and novel terrain use. It would suck to see all these maps go because of bane hydra.
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On June 27 2017 05:49 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
yes, overgrowth, a map we havent played enough for billion of months...... LOL
Agreed sometimes old maps can be interesting in the pool but in this case I'm fine letting it die finally.
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To be fair at this point no balance should be made for now.... let the meta settle and players figure it out themselves... something that I feel like we were missing for some time.. though I believe many may disagree
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To be honest I just don't think they will. Protoss have been trying for months now to figure out a defense for bane hydra or 2 base strats to stop Zerg from getting there, they haven't. On many maps it's just to hard for Protoss to secure a third, it was already hard before the adept nerf now it's ridiculous. I am not a Protoss player, I often whine about Protoss Since it's such a gimiky race, but even I can see that this needs to get fixed.
Mabey a solution would be to buff sentry starting energy. In hots Protoss could hold these kind of attacks because they could build up a lot of energy on sentries, the faster pace of lotv makes this not work out as well. I think stronger sentries would be a good balance fix and creates less problems than rebuffing adepts, buffing collosi, or nerfing Zerg.
Alternatively we could change the map pool,revert the hydra hp buff or split hydra speed and range upgrades agian. But I don't think any of these changes are as effective as just letting defensive Protoss players use sentries to stop the bane part of bane hydra.
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On June 27 2017 04:30 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 04:27 avilo wrote:
Where is the balance update for swarmhosts? 3 updates in a row now from the balance team...that have no actual balance changes.
Is the community actually ok with this? gsl final won by mech not enough for you?
To be honest I wanted to answer that ever since soo won, because I knew the question would come...
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