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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-09 15:57:16
June 09 2017 15:52 GMT
#21
On June 09 2017 23:24 Zulu23 wrote:
Avilo will have the proof that Terran is inferior and Zerg superior balanced in this MU

But no one in their right mind can think that with these unit limitations. The correct conclusion would be that avilo doesn't know how to use the tools he's given because even when he's in a situation heavily imbalanced in his favor, he cannot solve it, so he ought not comment on balance.

The real thing throwing this off is the conditioning of each player. TLO's mechanics are a few tiers above avilo. But still, avilo bases his understanding of the balance of the game partially on what he's personally able to do so if that's shown to be severely lacking, again he ought not comment on balance. He does base some of his comments on pro play, but then we're back to his understanding of the game. TLO's mechanics are much better but if he's strategically playing with one hand tied behind his back, avilo should be able to cleverly exploit that if his understanding of the game is so deep, despite having worse mechanics.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 09 2017 15:55 GMT
#22
ha ha make it happen please
xTJx
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil419 Posts
June 09 2017 16:04 GMT
#23
Avilo won't accept it, because losing when your opponent has such handicap will leave him without excuses to his losses. He rather live in his desulion than face the reality that he's just a low GM player.
No prejudices, i hate everyone equally.
RedJohnSC2
Profile Joined April 2015
10 Posts
June 09 2017 16:07 GMT
#24
That ^^
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 09 2017 16:13 GMT
#25
Yes please.

I don't care about avilo one way or another but I love a good grudge match
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 09 2017 16:16 GMT
#26
What about overlords All buildings as well, I guess, so crawler walkins are okay? Is it a breach when he lets a building die, as it spawns broodlings?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Aegwynn
Profile Joined September 2015
Italy460 Posts
June 09 2017 16:24 GMT
#27
This reminds me Avilo whining to Catz about Queen and Catz beating him without making a single queen next game lol.
Avilo never had balls to accept any challenge in the past and never will. TLO probably knows that but still, giving a low na gm player this much attention is really disappointing, especially from a serious player like TLO.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
June 09 2017 16:25 GMT
#28
On June 10 2017 01:24 Aegwynn wrote:
This reminds me Avilo whining to Catz about Queen and Catz beating him without making a single queen next game lol.
Avilo never had balls to accept any challenge in the past and never will. TLO probably knows that but still, giving a low na gm player this much attention is really disappointing, especially from a serious player like TLO.


Hahaha that's amazing
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 09 2017 16:35 GMT
#29
TLO is the true hero we've always needed in our lives.

Slay the dastardly Avilo, fine sir, slay him and bring peace to our lonely little village!
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
June 09 2017 16:49 GMT
#30
This wouldn't even be fair. TLO is 6k+ MMR. The difference between TLO and Avilo's Terran is bigger than the difference between Avilo's main race and his Zerg. TLO can probably beat Avilo regardless of race TLO use.

Besides, Avilo won't take up the challenge. His main sells to his audience is "look at me whine guys!" Most of his chat is just there to watch him rage, and only a small minority is there to watch him play lol. Avilo would just get smashed and then complain about whatever he lost to (or call TLO a streamcheater/sniper/hacker).
Gurbak
Profile Joined January 2017
France622 Posts
June 09 2017 16:49 GMT
#31
Avilo please accept
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 09 2017 17:17 GMT
#32
I WILL CAST IT
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 09 2017 17:21 GMT
#33
If avilo loses can we make a thread about him and ban him from TL for like a month?
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
June 09 2017 17:27 GMT
#34
On June 10 2017 02:17 ninazerg wrote:
I WILL CAST IT


Instant watch right there.
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 09 2017 17:28 GMT
#35
Why would you do that ? He is the most important EU/NA full time streamer with winter.
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derpistole
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany33 Posts
June 09 2017 17:33 GMT
#36
There is absolutely NO WAY that TLO wins.

Only Chance for TLO is when Avilo sticks to MECH.

MMM without banes = gg
WinterStarcraft
Profile Joined June 2012
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-10 17:07:18
June 09 2017 17:33 GMT
#37
I offered $500 to Doctors Without Borders (event already happening/scheduled) just for facing me in a bo7. No other strings attached. When Avilo passive aggressively declined, other streamers took me up on the offer and ended up raising over 1K$ so credit to him for a net win.
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
June 09 2017 17:40 GMT
#38
On June 10 2017 02:33 derpistole wrote:
There is absolutely NO WAY that TLO wins.

Only Chance for TLO is when Avilo sticks to MECH.

MMM without banes = gg

If you kill all the medivacs with corruptors, and outmacro the other and rush some 3/3 cracklings, it's not impossible.
Vipermagi
Profile Joined October 2012
47 Posts
June 09 2017 17:42 GMT
#39
@WinterStarcraft
I see that you still taking drugs huh? Go smash some bronze league players on smurf account, your fans enjoy it lolz
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
June 09 2017 17:43 GMT
#40
it really depends on the skill difference. TLO could surely beat me building just lings no matter what race I played
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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