EPTEdit: I just found another replay from Juggernaut: https://i.imgur.com/sFhkF4c.gif
Conclusive Evidence Maphack is Back
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Ketroc
Canada74 Posts
Edit: I just found another replay from Juggernaut: https://i.imgur.com/sFhkF4c.gif | ||
Mizenhauer
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mattias
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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Ketroc
Canada74 Posts
On March 31 2017 04:45 mattias wrote: This attack click on widow mine through fog of war is sufficient proof Just to be clear, it was an attack ground, that lined up perfectly with the mine. He didn't actually target the mine. | ||
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Fonze
United States34 Posts
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91matt
United Kingdom147 Posts
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goofyballer
United States136 Posts
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
I'm a low masters player and sometimes you just play those games where the opponent plays flawlessly and it's suspicious as hell. Probably after getting banned a few times, most hackers just take care to not leave obvious proof of cheating. | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
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Ketroc
Canada74 Posts
On March 31 2017 05:14 Phaenoman wrote: So it has not been known until now that hacking is a thing again? Patch 3.0 in Oct2015 broke all the existing public maphacks beyond repair. Daed gam meant no one was interested in putting in the time to figure out how to decrypt and build another from scratch. There has been no evidence of maphack shown since then including TL's hacker thread. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On March 31 2017 05:57 Ketroc wrote: Patch 3.0 in Oct2015 broke all the existing public maphacks beyond repair. Daed gam meant no one was interested in putting in the time to figure out how to decrypt and build another from scratch. There has been no evidence of maphack shown since then including TL's hacker thread. But...but avilo is playing hackers every week /s | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
E: Oh I see the info is in video description | ||
Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
hope this won't be a thing because it's been so good to play on the hack free scene since 3.0  | ||
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Ketroc
Canada74 Posts
On March 31 2017 06:30 Liquid`Snute wrote: i was very ready to say a lot of these moves would be circumstantial and part of chance but definitely some semi fishy stuff in this one - not necessarily enough to say 100% but super odd play. hope this won't be a thing because it's been so good to play on the hack free scene since 3.0 I don't know how the evidence could be any stronger. Maybe you just skimmed the video? Try 3:19 in the video where he puts 2 lings exactly to 2 different widow mine locations. Or near the end, where he keeps looking at my army location in the fog of war. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On March 31 2017 06:08 Charoisaur wrote: But...but avilo is playing hackers every week /s Every game* | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
edit: plus the fact he kept looking at units through fog of war, he doesn't even try to hide it | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
On March 31 2017 06:38 Ketroc wrote: I don't know how the evidence could be any stronger. Maybe you just skimmed the video? Try 3:19 in the video where he puts 2 lings exactly to 2 different widow mine locations. Or near the end, where he keeps looking at my army location in the fog of war. yeah i only skimmed through it sadly, missed the end part. i saw the mines, it was pretty fishy. well recorded video btw ^.^ | ||
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Twine
France246 Posts
On March 31 2017 06:46 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Who a moves army into planetary and 20 turrents? The kind of player that needs a map hack and still can't get past diamond I guess. Very well recorded video with a cold-headed procedure to analyse each suspicious actions, well done | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
great video Ketroc | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On March 31 2017 04:44 mizenhauer wrote: It's amazing how this playstyle is so cancerous that I'm almost cheering for the supposed maphacker to win. hahahaha yeah User was warned for this post | ||
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
On March 31 2017 06:46 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Who a moves army into planetary and 20 turrents? the moves with mines is the only fishy move i see rest of it is just zerg being racist and controling army by F2 So many suspicious and on point moves, especially all his queens to the extreme edge to try and catch the ravens that were in the fog of war. I know you defend everything Zerg to the hilt against all logic, but come on a map hacker? | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 31 2017 07:10 Psychobabas wrote: Good thing the maphacks are private though. great video Ketroc How do you know? Did you search for maphacks? | ||
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Ketroc
Canada74 Posts
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On March 31 2017 04:44 mizenhauer wrote: It's amazing how this playstyle is so cancerous that I'm almost cheering for the supposed maphacker to win. This lol. User was warned for this post | ||
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Garemie
United States248 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Ketroc
Canada74 Posts
On March 31 2017 09:50 BigFan wrote: Nice work OP. I think the video is pretty on point and seems like you may have caught a maphacker. Hopefully, there are a lot more replays that can be found so that it can be confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt. Ya, I found more of his replays here: http://sc2replaystats.com/player/1150950. Watched 2 and they were just as blatant as the maphack vs me (for example: https://i.imgur.com/sFhkF4c.gif) | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 31 2017 10:01 Ketroc wrote: Ya, I found more of his replays here: http://sc2replaystats.com/player/1150950. Watched 2 and they were just as blatant as the maphack vs me (for example: https://i.imgur.com/sFhkF4c.gif) yep, I saw the gif above. I just don't want to make a statement on it unless we have someone look through several replays and prove it for sure but the evidence doesn't look good for him | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
http://sc2unmasked.com/Search?q=lllIIIIIIlll | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On March 31 2017 07:08 Twine wrote: The kind of player that needs a map hack and still can't get past diamond I guess. Very well recorded video with a cold-headed procedure to analyse each suspicious actions, well done that creep spread was broodwar leevel rofl | ||
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DrDevice
Canada132 Posts
On March 31 2017 04:44 mizenhauer wrote: AgreeIt's amazing how this playstyle is so cancerous that I'm almost cheering for the supposed maphacker to win. | ||
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Phattyasmo
United States68 Posts
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ConspiracySC2
United States3 Posts
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ratgod
United States34 Posts
On March 31 2017 12:01 ConspiracySC2 wrote: I'm guessing with a community as intelligent as the sc2 community that there are more than a few statistical experts out there, so.... anyone feel like to taking a crack at the odds of accidentally clicking EXACTLY on a widow mine and/or reaper through the fog of war? who needs statistics and evidence when we can have conspiracies | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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LDLCmiyako
France25 Posts
Shutting down the most used maphack, doesn't mean maphack doesn't exist anymore, as for wow, thoses tool can be done by private developper or underground chinese (or non mainly english speaking country ) and no one will talk about them. On top of that since its common to think maphack doesn't exist anymore, you'll most likely end up being called an avilo like if you suspect someone of hacking. Especially because if they're not as dumb as that zerg on the video, it may be very hard to notice or have real evidences. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 31 2017 06:08 Charoisaur wrote: But...but avilo is playing hackers every week /s This shit is getting real tiring of people saying i accuse every single player of MHing when they are just being assholes and taking something out of context. There have been stream sessions where i have been sniped repeatedly by the same 2-3 hackers (including that Nero guy) over the course of 10-20 games. So i mean...there is not much i can do. If i'm playing the same hacker 4-6 games in a row on stream do you want me to say he doesn't hack? lol. I think this is why people think for some reason i accuse "so many people" of MHing they prob caught my stream during these time frames where the same hackers were sniping my stream. Makes it even worse when they are on barcodes because then i have no fuckin clue if i'm playing a "legit" barcode or the same MHer from the last game. Those are the times you've seen me mistakingly call someone a hacker that wasn't...because they were on a goddamn barcode and that shit will put you on edge after 5+ games of being blind countered. I do honestly think it's a huge problem in past months but everyone wants to disagree half the time without even lookin at replay evidence. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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lestye
United States4186 Posts
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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Jealous
10231 Posts
On March 31 2017 16:08 Riner1212 wrote: So blizzard now what are you going to do about this? Hopefully update the 1.18 patch On a more serious note, can someone explain what Blizzard did to break the HotS hacks besides releasing a new patch? | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
On March 31 2017 16:23 Jealous wrote: Hopefully update the 1.18 patch On a more serious note, can someone explain what Blizzard did to break the HotS hacks besides releasing a new patch? Data is always available for the client, so it can be intercepted by a hack either during transmission or in memory on the client. Transmission is less intrusive, but a lot easier to protect, so maphacks usually analyze memory content. To be able to retrieve the data you need to understand how it is organized (structure) and where in memory it is located. First part is a difficult bit of reverse engineering, second part is easy enough once you know what to look for. Most patches don't change the structure at all, so you just need to change the location (offsets in memory) which is close to a non issue. With LOTV, Blizzard changed the structure itself and allegedly changed it with an objective to make it harder to reverse engineer. Means all maphack developers had to go back to the difficult part of rebuilding the structure and they simply didn't have the incentive to do so. | ||
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Jealous
10231 Posts
On March 31 2017 17:10 Oshuy wrote: Data is always available for the client, so it can be intercepted by a hack either during transmission or in memory on the client. Transmission is less intrusive, but a lot easier to protect, so maphacks usually analyze memory content. To be able to retrieve the data you need to understand how it is organized (structure) and where in memory it is located. First part is a difficult bit of reverse engineering, second part is easy enough once you know what to look for. Most patches don't change the structure at all, so you just need to change the location (offsets in memory) which is close to a non issue. With LOTV, Blizzard changed the structure itself and allegedly changed it with an objective to make it harder to reverse engineer. Means all maphack developers had to go back to the difficult part of rebuilding the structure and they simply didn't have the incentive to do so. Alright, just wanted to make sure they did at least claim that they put in some measure to make hacking less likely as opposed to just releasing LotV (I said patch but that was a brain fart). | ||
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Ketroc
Canada74 Posts
On March 31 2017 17:10 Oshuy wrote: Data is always available for the client, so it can be intercepted by a hack either during transmission or in memory on the client. Transmission is less intrusive, but a lot easier to protect, so maphacks usually analyze memory content. To be able to retrieve the data you need to understand how it is organized (structure) and where in memory it is located. First part is a difficult bit of reverse engineering, second part is easy enough once you know what to look for. Most patches don't change the structure at all, so you just need to change the location (offsets in memory) which is close to a non issue. With LOTV, Blizzard changed the structure itself and allegedly changed it with an objective to make it harder to reverse engineer. Means all maphack developers had to go back to the difficult part of rebuilding the structure and they simply didn't have the incentive to do so. this! | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
On March 31 2017 10:01 Ketroc wrote: Ya, I found more of his replays here: http://sc2replaystats.com/player/1150950. Watched 2 and they were just as blatant as the maphack vs me (for example: https://i.imgur.com/sFhkF4c.gif) You should check if he plays duo and see if his partner hacks too | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
On March 31 2017 16:08 Riner1212 wrote: So blizzard now what are you going to do about this? I think they will put all the efforts to protect SCR. SC2 scene is too dead to overhaul hacking protection. User was warned for this post | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
And please stream more, Ketroc. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On March 31 2017 15:00 avilo wrote: This shit is getting real tiring of people saying i accuse every single player of MHing when they are just being assholes and taking something out of context. There have been stream sessions where i have been sniped repeatedly by the same 2-3 hackers (including that Nero guy) over the course of 10-20 games. So i mean...there is not much i can do. If i'm playing the same hacker 4-6 games in a row on stream do you want me to say he doesn't hack? lol. I think this is why people think for some reason i accuse "so many people" of MHing they prob caught my stream during these time frames where the same hackers were sniping my stream. Makes it even worse when they are on barcodes because then i have no fuckin clue if i'm playing a "legit" barcode or the same MHer from the last game. Those are the times you've seen me mistakingly call someone a hacker that wasn't...because they were on a goddamn barcode and that shit will put you on edge after 5+ games of being blind countered. I do honestly think it's a huge problem in past months but everyone wants to disagree half the time without even lookin at replay evidence. I mean... I think people are more 'tired' of you just accusing anyone of map hacking as you have for... a long time... Can you honestly reply that you are manner when it comes to losing given the track record you have? My god, I have VoDs on my Twitch from 3 years ago probably of u BMing me/floating buildings/saying whatever comes to your mind in that moment etc.... -_-;; The point that was clearly made by the OP is that hacks have not been around for a while. Snute also mentioned this and I am quite certain that just about everyone is in agreement with this. I think everyone understands that you get stream sniped, and yeah, it sucks. But when you call people a hacker simply because you lose, and without any real evidence, you can surely expect to get rebuttals and criticisms about it, especially in this domain. As I explain below, the chances you played a MHer earlier than a few weeks ago/monthish~+ are... rather... rather.. low, especially at your MMR. To the person asking about the MH.. some general time frame info that should b okay: + Show Spoiler + the ones previously 'sold' (prior to 3.0) were not very cheap; thusly, they were pretty exclusive from my understanding. From a quick check, it appears the latest MHs have been in use since ~3/15/17 (or earlier~) and seems to be fully functional with the most up to date version of the game. I probably can't say much more than that. | ||
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LDLCmiyako
France25 Posts
The point that was clearly made by the OP is that hacks have not been around for a while. Well it's not beyond impossible for a dev to make a maphack for a very few person ( like let's say he's not selling it, but just made it because someone paid him to do it? or just he did it for "fun" or w/e reason. ) once it's done for lotv, all it takes is change the offset after each patch. But the amount of hacker from private hack if there is any is probably so low it's very unlikely that someone "constantly" play against several maphacker in the same night or even in the same week. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On March 31 2017 04:44 mizenhauer wrote: It's amazing how this playstyle is so cancerous that I'm almost cheering for the supposed maphacker to win. My exact reaction. God how obnoxious. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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ArloJenkinsSc2
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But yes someone brought up a very good point. BLIZZARD WHAT ARE YOU GOIN TO DO ABOUT THIS? | ||
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AlexGPunkt
Germany258 Posts
If you launch for instance pokerstars, the gameutil1.exe is also launched. This exe seem to monitor data, pokerstars is very vague what it is doing. As I understand it, it is in place to ensure the rules and regulations are not broken, especially "maphacking"(see players cards etc). Is it reallly that hard to check, if another program is using the gamedata while a match is running? Or is there s.th. like that already implemented? | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
Honestly, if I queued up against that playstyle and had access to a maphack, I would turn it on too. Build one unit type and turtle... that isn't fun at all and violates the essence of a strategy game. But then again, I don't play SC2 anymore. I hope Blizzard fixes this for those that do. | ||
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LDLCmiyako
France25 Posts
I dont understand anything about coding and stuff, therefor excuse if my question seem to be stupid, but isnt there a way to monitor what programs are used on a computer that runs sc2? If you launch for instance pokerstars, the gameutil1.exe is also launched. This exe seem to monitor data, pokerstars is very vague what it is doing. As I understand it, it is in place to ensure the rules and regulations are not broken, especially "maphacking"(see players cards etc). Is it reallly that hard to check, if another program is using the gamedata while a match is running? Or is there s.th. like that already implemented? I think there is a privacy issue, they can't monitor all the program on your PC. Other issue is if the maphack is only doing memory reading and not actually injecting ( so modifying ) the game data. | ||
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
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AlexGPunkt
Germany258 Posts
On April 01 2017 01:05 LDLCmiyako wrote: I think there is a privacy issue, they can't monitor all the program on your PC. Other issue is if the maphack is only doing memory reading and not actually injecting ( so modifying ) the game data. The privacy thing could be dealt with by agreeing to monitoring in the terms and conditions, I think. Not sure though, I´m not a lawyer. In my little world, I thought it could work like that: The memory is a folder in the program folder, right? I would think if another program is using that data while a match is running, blizzard will be informed. No need to get the info which programm is using that data or for what purpose. It could be enough to automatically be reason for permaban. I know this is a little flawed and does not take into account every possible scenario, but just as a starter. If there are programs people want to use, the producer of the program could contact blizzard to get permission. | ||
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todespolka
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On April 01 2017 01:33 AlexGPunkt wrote: The privacy thing could be dealt with by agreeing to monitoring in the terms and conditions, I think. Not sure though, I´m not a lawyer. In my little world, I thought it could work like that: The memory is a folder in the program folder, right? I would think if another program is using that data while a match is running, blizzard will be informed. No need to get the info which programm is using that data or for what purpose. It could be enough to automatically be reason for permaban. I know this is a little flawed and does not take into account every possible scenario, but just as a starter. If there are programs people want to use, the producer of the program could contact blizzard to get permission. Anti Hack had to look for the process which accesses sc2s memory. Other hacks rewrite the sc2 file it-self. This would require a file check. The only way to make sc2 hack proof is if they change the code each day for each person. If everyone downloads a different code every day, only the hacker himself will be able to adapt. Also don't take the privacy issue so lightly, the anti hack program would check all your files and send a report. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
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SKNielsen1989
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woopr
United States112 Posts
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Khalum
Austria831 Posts
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
Yeah that maphacker Juggernaut must have literally got his maphack in the mail, moments after ketroc posted those things... what a coincidence! /sarcasm Maphacks probably got more exclusive most likely resulting in only "higher" level players (that spend enough time on the game to warrant a maphack) will use one. And since they're higher level players, they're also much better at hiding it under the disguise of good map sense, good awareness,.. Finally higher level players won't be as stupid to just click at shit in the fog of war. This juggernaut guy is probably a real exception and now he's revealed the fact that there are map hackers. To think that this is an isolated incident or that maphacks are literally only back for a few days, is naive at best. Finally avilo accuses a lot of people of maphack when they're just streamcheating, which is just a misnomer and doesn't really invalidate the accusation. The person's still cheating. | ||
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woopr
United States112 Posts
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im euro trash
5 Posts
On April 01 2017 06:32 Khalum wrote: How is that funny? Claiming someone maphacks without the ability to back it up is nonsensical. But if you suddenly see evidence the situation changes. That's not 'flipping opinions'. The point is the evidence clearly existed, he just didn't look for it. | ||
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THERIDDLER
Canada126 Posts
On March 31 2017 06:30 Liquid`Snute wrote: i was very ready to say a lot of these moves would be circumstantial and part of chance but definitely some semi fishy stuff in this one - not necessarily enough to say 100% but super odd play. hope this won't be a thing because it's been so good to play on the hack free scene since 3.0 Oh come on ofc you know hacks exist. You are a CONFIRMED map hacker according to AVILO! | ||
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im euro trash
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@ketroc @nathanias | ||
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Khalum
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im euro trash
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On April 01 2017 07:40 Khalum wrote: So in your opinion it's pure coincidence that this video and thread were created now and not at some other point in time since LotV release? Come up with a reason, without circumstantial evidence, that private map-hacks wouldn't exist under a year and a half since patch? I'll be waiting. | ||
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Khalum
Austria831 Posts
My point is that in order to claim something to be real you need to back it up somehow. That video in the OP does a good job at that. It was probably not the first LotV match with someone using a maphack - but it's hard not to come to the conclusion that a hack was used here. Now would be your turn to post a video containing such evidence from an earlier match if you claim that hacks were around for much longer. I'll be waiting. | ||
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im euro trash
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On April 01 2017 07:51 Khalum wrote: That's not how it works. I can also not prove that God doesn't exist. Doesn't make him any more real. My point is that in order to claim something to be real you need to back it up somehow. That video in the OP does a good job at that. It was probably not the first LotV match with someone using a maphack - but it's hard not to come to the conclusion that a hack was used here. Now would be your turn to post a video containing such evidence from an earlier match if you claim that hacks were around for much longer. I'll be waiting. Took me less than thirty seconds to find evidence that someone has already hacked in LotV. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3z31c1/nero13_year_old_mexican_kid_confirmed_maphacker/ Side note: This is very much unlike the existence of God argument. As you should know, in WoL and HotS there were a sizable number of blatant map hackers. Additionally, there existed private hacks during this time period. If you put two and two together, it would be safer to assume that the hackers didn't just magical disappear for an entire year and a half. On the other hand, there was never any tangible evidence for the existence of your "God." If God did exist then would it make sense for it to disappear for a year and a half despite being around beforehand? No? It doesn't make sense? Yes, it doesn't make sense either way because the parallel is terrible. | ||
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billynasty
United States260 Posts
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im euro trash
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NA's #1 detective. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
He not only takes the time to watch the replay but then he makes posts the video and the posts himself. This all just came up because hacks have been so uncommon that a guy was asking whether there's any really strong evidence like this at all. It's pretty naive to think no one had (or could have) made new hacks but it does seem like virtually no one is hacking. It's good to know if there's any strong evidence of people hacking right now. Some people crying wolf only made it harder to believe that there were a lot of hackers out there. | ||
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Justinian
United Kingdom158 Posts
There's no doubt about this guy though, he was obviously hacking. So it only makes sense to accept hacks are definitely around and could become more of a problem. But they might only be available to a very small number of people. This video doesn't make it legitimate for people to start claiming hacks any time they get unlucky. It's only proof this one guy hacks. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
There are a bunch more in his page if you're still skeptical. | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
As for SCR the game doesn't demand for high end system, so i guess Blizzard can implement something stronger than LOTV anti-hack. | ||
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
On March 31 2017 15:00 avilo wrote: This shit is getting real tiring of people saying i accuse every single player of MHing when they are just being assholes and taking something out of context. There have been stream sessions where i have been sniped repeatedly by the same 2-3 hackers (including that Nero guy) over the course of 10-20 games. So i mean...there is not much i can do. If i'm playing the same hacker 4-6 games in a row on stream do you want me to say he doesn't hack? lol. I think this is why people think for some reason i accuse "so many people" of MHing they prob caught my stream during these time frames where the same hackers were sniping my stream. Makes it even worse when they are on barcodes because then i have no fuckin clue if i'm playing a "legit" barcode or the same MHer from the last game. Those are the times you've seen me mistakingly call someone a hacker that wasn't...because they were on a goddamn barcode and that shit will put you on edge after 5+ games of being blind countered. I do honestly think it's a huge problem in past months but everyone wants to disagree half the time without even lookin at replay evidence. Maybe it´s because you DO accuse almost everybody of hacking? Replay evidence? Maybe you should listen to your own advice more often: "I've accused this guy of hacking before... I don't know if he actually does." speaks volumes about you. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On April 02 2017 01:14 Tresher wrote: Maybe it´s because you DO accuse almost everybody of hacking? Replay evidence? Maybe you should listen to your own advice more often: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_IKw-Z2HE "I've accused this guy of hacking before... I don't know if he actually does." speaks volumes about you. funny video. Seems like this Jason fellow got his point across well lol | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
Am I missing something or?? | ||
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
On April 02 2017 01:47 BigFan wrote: funny video. Seems like this Jason fellow got his point across well lol Yes, just like the video where Ketroc analyses a replay sent by Avilo of a hacker. There is not a single suspicious incident in the game, Avilo just got outplayed. I think the likely reason for Avilo's behaviour is an inflated opinion of his skill and a lack of understanding of the game. Thus everything looks suspicious to him. Either that or he has a certain image to keep up to retain his loyal viewers, and also those who like to watch the trainwreck that is Avilo. But MHs are back, I don't think that people will come across them often, but even just 5% of the time is too much. Blizzard, please step up here. | ||
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
On April 02 2017 02:15 Blargh wrote: Wait, is it just pure coincidence that the person in the video (Jason vs Avilo) is named Juggernaut, and so is the person in OP? Am I missing something or?? I didn´t saw that. Doubt it´s the same guy tough. Still good find from Ketroc. Thanks for posting this, people should know something like this. | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
On April 02 2017 02:15 Blargh wrote: Wait, is it just pure coincidence that the person in the video (Jason vs Avilo) is named Juggernaut, and so is the person in OP? Am I missing something or?? It's pure coincidence. Jason (or Juggernautjason) is a GM Terran streamer (https://www.twitch.tv/juggernautjason) | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
That Jason vs Avilo video sums up avilo pretty damn well! | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On April 02 2017 01:51 iNcontroL wrote: that video is pretty damning -- seems 100% to me.. sad though the Jason vs avilo video you mean? hehe | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
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lestye
United States4186 Posts
On April 02 2017 00:10 saltis wrote: Wondering how much stronger anti-hack protection will be for SCR. I remember when LOTV was released it was lagged a lot because of super antihack, later it was nerfed to normalize game's performance. As for SCR the game doesn't demand for high end system, so i guess Blizzard can implement something stronger than LOTV anti-hack. Eh, I think itd ultimately be easier/simpler to hack older games. Ultimately its always going to possible to hack these type of games since all the information is sent to the client. Cant be helped. | ||
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
 I think that if Blizzard expend a little effort, every now and then, to defeat the current map hacks then we would be OK. There is not as much incentive anymore to hack the game due to the general decline of SC2, so hackers would eventually give up, or switch to BW remastered. | ||
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Zulu23
Germany132 Posts
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KaiserCommander
Mexico290 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On March 31 2017 10:21 c0sm0naut wrote: yeah we know. watch out for this retard, who will make 10 phoenix, not harass with them, because he is not GM level, make a b-line to ur medivacs whenver you load up and begin to drop, and has perfect composition/awareness from his all-seeing 1 observer per game play. NA masters 1. cant even believe people would hack in diamond but i appreciate you making this video ketroc, this is not just circumstantial, it is very blatant. thankfully this game u played was long enough to be very convincing http://sc2unmasked.com/Search?q=lllIIIIIIlll I don't think that player hacks. http://sc2unmasked.com/Search?q=검치문_353532 Only three replays to check, but this toss has high mmr on KR and doesn't seem to be cheating at all. If you have evidence on the contrary then share it please. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 02 2017 01:47 BigFan wrote: funny video. Seems like this Jason fellow got his point across well lol That video is great hehe... Makes me want to watch his stream. | ||
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cha0
Canada506 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On April 05 2017 18:32 cha0 wrote: Sucks about the hacking... but that video of avilo lol... How embarrassing. Its a rarity he even links the twitch stream and gets called a hacker absolutely disgusting | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On April 05 2017 20:45 ReachTheSky wrote: Hackers are the #1 reason why I no longer play sc2. Blizzard needs to learn to control the environment they've managed to create. There is currently no hack-free game on the internet so you stopped playing for the worst reason ever... | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On April 05 2017 21:49 PharaphobiaSC wrote: There is currently no hack-free game on the internet so you stopped playing for the worst reason ever... I'm convinced from reading his posts he never played in the first place, it's just a troll account. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On April 05 2017 23:10 showstealer1829 wrote: I'm convinced from reading his posts he never played in the first place, it's just a troll account. Been a registered member for several years, started lurking in 2001 during the early BW era when I was a freshman in highschool. Played in MLG, green forest lan and for Quantic Gaming up until the naniwa acquisition. Definitely a troll! | ||
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evolsiefil
143 Posts
On April 05 2017 21:49 PharaphobiaSC wrote: There is currently no hack-free game on the internet so you stopped playing for the worst reason ever... ^ this so much. there is literally not a single game online that isnt flooded with hackers and cheaters. is sc2 an exception? ofc not. there is quite a few hacks available atm. but id like to think that sc2 is still one of the safer games in that regard. the overall number of hackers compared to the total playerbase is not crazy high by any means. so just deal with it. i have no idea why so many here think only they are entitled to a hacker free game. what is blizzard supposed to do? hire a full team of internet cops that hunt and track down every hacker there is? get real. they ban those who get caught and that is all you can expect really. changing the game infrastructure wont change anything either except make the game hack free for a few months until new hacks emerge. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On April 05 2017 23:54 evolsiefil wrote: ^ this so much. there is literally not a single game online that isnt flooded with hackers and cheaters. is sc2 an exception? ofc not. there is quite a few hacks available atm. but id like to think that sc2 is still one of the safer games in that regard. the overall number of hackers compared to the total playerbase is not crazy high by any means. so just deal with it. i have no idea why so many here think only they are entitled to a hacker free game. what is blizzard supposed to do? hire a full team of internet cops that hunt and track down every hacker there is? get real. they ban those who get caught and that is all you can expect really. changing the game infrastructure wont change anything either except make the game hack free for a few months until new hacks emerge. funny thing is blizzard has actually made international news multiple times recently for suing hack publishers so they're doing more than other companies, not less spoiler alert - people love to whine about blizzard even when it doesn't make sense | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On April 05 2017 23:29 ReachTheSky wrote: Been a registered member for several years, started lurking in 2001 during the early BW era when I was a freshman in highschool. Played in MLG, green forest lan and for Quantic Gaming up until the naniwa acquisition. Definitely a troll! So at what point did you become a troll? Was it an overnight thing or was it gradual? Because you definitely are one now from the looks of your posts here and everytime avilo's name or mech gets mentioned. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 05 2017 20:45 ReachTheSky wrote: Hackers are the #1 reason why I no longer play sc2. Blizzard needs to learn to control the environment they've managed to create. I'm sure you are not good enough to play hackers anyways so you should be safe | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On April 05 2017 20:45 ReachTheSky wrote: Hackers are the #1 reason why I no longer play sc2. Blizzard needs to learn to control the environment they've managed to create. I am sorry but that must be dummest reason ever. Even at the worst times of hots, you would match a hacker once in every 20 games probably. I didn't even match a single hacker in lotv yet. Comparing to other online games , starcraft is the one of the least problematic in that regard. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On April 06 2017 01:01 Aegwynn wrote: I am sorry but that must be dummest reason ever. Even at the worst times of hots, you would match a hacker once in every 20 games probably. I didn't even match a single hacker in lotv yet. Comparing to other online games , starcraft is the one of the least problematic in that regard. Your experiences in the past are not the same as mine. For me, fair competition is #1 otherwise I don't see a point in spending my time playing. Down playing the issue at hand, hacks, does not fix the issue nor address it. Unless blizzard fixes their game, i'll be on the sidelines watching every once in a while. | ||
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On April 06 2017 01:10 ReachTheSky wrote: Your experiences in the past are not the same as mine. For me, fair competition is #1 otherwise I don't see a point in spending my time playing. Down playing the issue at hand, hacks, does not fix the issue nor address it. Unless blizzard fixes their game, i'll be on the sidelines watching every once in a while. You have right to complain like all we do here but saying that this was the reason you quit playing is not very credible and looks silly. Fair competition is already #1 as always been , maybe you were thinking that anyone who beats you is a maphacker just like the avilo character. | ||
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Haukinger
Germany131 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On April 06 2017 01:19 Aegwynn wrote: You have right to complain like all we do here but saying that this was the reason you quit playing is not very credible and looks silly. Fair competition is already #1 as always been , maybe you were thinking that anyone who beats you is a maphacker just like the avilo character. Actually, IT IS THE REASON. This information coming from the source(myself) is as credible as it can get. I'm sorry you refuse to believe it and get over it. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On April 06 2017 01:37 ReachTheSky wrote: Actually, IT IS THE REASON. This information coming from the source(myself) is as credible as it can get. I'm sorry you refuse to believe it and get over it. Just because you say it doesn't mean it is. You quit the game because you THINK there are a lot of hackers, that's something different. If you're below gm I'm pretty sure at most 1% of your opponents are hackers, even in HotS. Probably the real reason why you quit is because you can't deal with your losses (and thus blame it on hacks). | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On April 06 2017 03:00 Charoisaur wrote: Just because you say it doesn't mean it is. You quit the game because you THINK there are a lot of hackers, that's something different. If you're below gm I'm pretty sure at most 1% of your opponents are hackers, even in HotS. Probably the real reason why you quit is because you can't deal with your losses (and thus blame it on hacks). Ah yes because i'm not aware of why i choose not to do things LOL. talking about trolling holy moly | ||
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Jealous
10231 Posts
On April 06 2017 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote: Ah yes because i'm not aware of why i choose not to do things LOL. talking about trolling holy moly I think what everyone is trying to say that quitting over the fact that maybe 1% of the playing population hacks (and less now) is kind of a bitch move. While they are not necessarily incorrect, their problem here is that they are trying to convince you of this opinion, which I would say is generally not very palatable to the target of such an opinion. | ||
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Ketroc
Canada74 Posts
On April 06 2017 03:00 Charoisaur wrote: Just because you say it doesn't mean it is. You quit the game because you THINK there are a lot of hackers, that's something different. If you're below gm I'm pretty sure at most 1% of your opponents are hackers, even in HotS. Probably the real reason why you quit is because you can't deal with your losses (and thus blame it on hacks). HotS was probably at least 5% maphackers. Maphacks were public and Blizz wasnt banning. I'd face an obvious one every session. Since patch 1.8 this is the first maphacker I faced in 3000games. I also found no evidence of it anywhere... So 0.1% at most in the last 18months. | ||
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THERIDDLER
Canada126 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On April 09 2017 11:53 THERIDDLER wrote: around 80% of GM players are hackers could you support your claim with facts/replays please? I would be interested to see a GM replay pack with 80% map hackers. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On April 05 2017 20:45 ReachTheSky wrote: Hackers are the #1 reason why I no longer play sc2. Blizzard needs to learn to control the environment they've managed to create. So basicly you got upset because you could not get remotely good at the game and you are now blaming it on a player in 100. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On April 09 2017 12:08 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: could you support your claim with facts/replays please? I would be interested to see a GM replay pack with 80% map hackers. that statement has nothing to with reality, most pros got at least two or more GM accounts, and saying that 160 out of 200 are hacking is a bullshit I can't even imagine that some players like Snute, TLO or Harstem hacking, simply no point | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On April 09 2017 20:44 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: that statement has nothing to with reality, most pros got at least two or more GM accounts, and saying that 160 out of 200 are hacking is a bullshit I can't even imagine that some players like Snute, TLO or Harstem hacking, simply no point I was calling him out on his bullshit. He never submitted any replays, he didnt even direct me to avilo's stream :D can't say it was unexpected lol | ||
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Chelios23
1 Post
Only for ppl with strong stomach. (puke) User was warned for this post | ||
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Uni1987
Netherlands642 Posts
On December 15 2017 15:01 Chelios23 wrote: -removed- Only for ppl with strong stomach. (puke) Don't post links to it.. | ||
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