I dont understand anything about coding and stuff, therefor excuse if my question seem to be stupid, but isnt there a way to monitor what programs are used on a computer that runs sc2?
If you launch for instance pokerstars, the gameutil1.exe is also launched. This exe seem to monitor data, pokerstars is very vague what it is doing. As I understand it, it is in place to ensure the rules and regulations are not broken, especially "maphacking"(see players cards etc).
Is it reallly that hard to check, if another program is using the gamedata while a match is running? Or is there s.th. like that already implemented?
I think there is a privacy issue, they can't monitor all the program on your PC. Other issue is if the maphack is only doing memory reading and not actually injecting ( so modifying ) the game data.
The privacy thing could be dealt with by agreeing to monitoring in the terms and conditions, I think. Not sure though, I´m not a lawyer.
In my little world, I thought it could work like that: The memory is a folder in the program folder, right? I would think if another program is using that data while a match is running, blizzard will be informed. No need to get the info which programm is using that data or for what purpose. It could be enough to automatically be reason for permaban.
I know this is a little flawed and does not take into account every possible scenario, but just as a starter.
If there are programs people want to use, the producer of the program could contact blizzard to get permission.
Anti Hack had to look for the process which accesses sc2s memory. Other hacks rewrite the sc2 file it-self. This would require a file check.
The only way to make sc2 hack proof is if they change the code each day for each person. If everyone downloads a different code every day, only the hacker himself will be able to adapt.
Also don't take the privacy issue so lightly, the anti hack program would check all your files and send a report.
How is that funny? Claiming someone maphacks without the ability to back it up is nonsensical. But if you suddenly see evidence the situation changes. That's not 'flipping opinions'.
Yeah that maphacker Juggernaut must have literally got his maphack in the mail, moments after ketroc posted those things... what a coincidence! /sarcasm
Maphacks probably got more exclusive most likely resulting in only "higher" level players (that spend enough time on the game to warrant a maphack) will use one. And since they're higher level players, they're also much better at hiding it under the disguise of good map sense, good awareness,.. Finally higher level players won't be as stupid to just click at shit in the fog of war. This juggernaut guy is probably a real exception and now he's revealed the fact that there are map hackers. To think that this is an isolated incident or that maphacks are literally only back for a few days, is naive at best.
Finally avilo accuses a lot of people of maphack when they're just streamcheating, which is just a misnomer and doesn't really invalidate the accusation. The person's still cheating.
On April 01 2017 06:32 Khalum wrote: How is that funny? Claiming someone maphacks without the ability to back it up is nonsensical. But if you suddenly see evidence the situation changes. That's not 'flipping opinions'.
confidently repeating how hacks don't work/exist in LotV and then instantly flipping once you are the personal victim of hacks is funny
like being pro-life then switching to pro-choice as soon as you knock up your gf/bf
On April 01 2017 06:32 Khalum wrote: How is that funny? Claiming someone maphacks without the ability to back it up is nonsensical. But if you suddenly see evidence the situation changes. That's not 'flipping opinions'.
The point is the evidence clearly existed, he just didn't look for it.
On March 31 2017 06:30 Liquid`Snute wrote: i was very ready to say a lot of these moves would be circumstantial and part of chance but definitely some semi fishy stuff in this one - not necessarily enough to say 100% but super odd play. hope this won't be a thing because it's been so good to play on the hack free scene since 3.0
Oh come on ofc you know hacks exist. You are a CONFIRMED map hacker according to AVILO!
On April 01 2017 07:40 Khalum wrote: So in your opinion it's pure coincidence that this video and thread were created now and not at some other point in time since LotV release?
Come up with a reason, without circumstantial evidence, that private map-hacks wouldn't exist under a year and a half since patch?
That's not how it works. I can also not prove that God doesn't exist. Doesn't make him any more real.
My point is that in order to claim something to be real you need to back it up somehow. That video in the OP does a good job at that. It was probably not the first LotV match with someone using a maphack - but it's hard not to come to the conclusion that a hack was used here.
Now would be your turn to post a video containing such evidence from an earlier match if you claim that hacks were around for much longer. I'll be waiting.
On April 01 2017 07:51 Khalum wrote: That's not how it works. I can also not prove that God doesn't exist. Doesn't make him any more real.
My point is that in order to claim something to be real you need to back it up somehow. That video in the OP does a good job at that. It was probably not the first LotV match with someone using a maphack - but it's hard not to come to the conclusion that a hack was used here.
Now would be your turn to post a video containing such evidence from an earlier match if you claim that hacks were around for much longer. I'll be waiting.
Took me less than thirty seconds to find evidence that someone has already hacked in LotV.
Side note: This is very much unlike the existence of God argument. As you should know, in WoL and HotS there were a sizable number of blatant map hackers. Additionally, there existed private hacks during this time period. If you put two and two together, it would be safer to assume that the hackers didn't just magical disappear for an entire year and a half.
On the other hand, there was never any tangible evidence for the existence of your "God." If God did exist then would it make sense for it to disappear for a year and a half despite being around beforehand?
No? It doesn't make sense?
Yes, it doesn't make sense either way because the parallel is terrible.
yeah it is funny when someone comes out so strongly against someone in a public forum, only to take the total opposite stance when something fishy happens to him. Regardless i'm glad an issue like this is finally being discussed in a rational manner, with the hopes that something can be done to fix it.
You guys think it's funny because you think it hinges on the fact that him being a victim is what made him change but I think it's commendable that he's still open to changing his mind even when he's taken such a firm stance the other way. It didn't occur to me that it's because he was a victim but rather because it was the first time he saw strong evidence. It's a problem that there are always people out there who'll criticize and laugh at anyone who changes their mind. Being open to new evidence and processing it and making the best decision you currently can is always commendable.
He not only takes the time to watch the replay but then he makes posts the video and the posts himself.
This all just came up because hacks have been so uncommon that a guy was asking whether there's any really strong evidence like this at all. It's pretty naive to think no one had (or could have) made new hacks but it does seem like virtually no one is hacking. It's good to know if there's any strong evidence of people hacking right now. Some people crying wolf only made it harder to believe that there were a lot of hackers out there.
Until this video I've seen very little evidence of anyone hacking in LoTV, so I don't think it's been a widespread problem. Only avilo has been saying it is, but his accusations are based on paranoia and confirmation bias with very weak evidence.
There's no doubt about this guy though, he was obviously hacking. So it only makes sense to accept hacks are definitely around and could become more of a problem. But they might only be available to a very small number of people. This video doesn't make it legitimate for people to start claiming hacks any time they get unlucky. It's only proof this one guy hacks.
For those who want to belive that blizzard fixed maphacks from 2015 until now, here's a video from feb 2016 showing evidence of maphacking, uploaded by protech, skip to 22:50.
There are a bunch more in his page if you're still skeptical.
Wondering how much stronger anti-hack protection will be for SCR. I remember when LOTV was released it was lagged a lot because of super antihack, later it was nerfed to normalize game's performance. As for SCR the game doesn't demand for high end system, so i guess Blizzard can implement something stronger than LOTV anti-hack.
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