EPTOn January 02 2017 14:23 EG.lectR wrote:
Huh? That's false. Twitch gave it to Peter and the Dota 2 team.
Huh? That's false. Twitch gave it to Peter and the Dota 2 team.
Wait, really?? They just handed it over to him for free?! :OOOOOO
EG disbands SC2 division - Page 4
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
Wait, really?? They just handed it over to him for free?! :OOOOOO | ||
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RenSC2
United States1065 Posts
This announcement was just sad for what was once a premier brand. Now it's just a good team in DotA, but the brand is crap. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Then they got quiet. All of the things that made EG such a strong presence went away - I don't see anyone with the production chops of a Scoots, or the personalities of Anna or Geoff or Idra or HuK or any of the people that used to make EG a name that easily came to mind. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On January 02 2017 15:16 felisconcolori wrote: EG was once a giant marketing machine with a way of making sure their sponsors got a good value out of their investment through videos and aggressive brand exposure. Then they got quiet. All of the things that made EG such a strong presence went away - I don't see anyone with the production chops of a Scoots, or the personalities of Anna or Geoff or Idra or HuK or any of the people that used to make EG a name that easily came to mind. On the other hand, I do seem to remember them getting a lot of flak as a team that focused on showmanship instead of actual player results (both in SC2 and fighting games) so perhaps where they're going now is ultimately better. I guess we'll find out. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1799 Posts
Times sure have changed. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
however, what people are upset about is the callousness that they treat the guys they're letting go -- no proper goodbye, thank you, etc. fans will understand if there's no high budget history video about these guys, but more than a throwaway line in a 90 second video is just brutal. i can see why huk and inc are upset. it'd be like a pro sports team cutting a 15 year veteran that helped build it from the beginning with nothing more than a one liner. hopefully they have something more planned or can do something more appropriate, they can still do the right thing here even if its just a small article or video, just something to commemorate the guys and give thanks and honor the history of it. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On January 02 2017 15:32 Hot_Bid wrote: It'd be like a pro sports team cutting a 15 year veteran that helped build it from the beginning with nothing more than a one liner. Except the pro sports team belongs to a league that is shadow of it's former self. So it is a bit different. But yeah, they should have gotten a bit better send off. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12237 Posts
On January 02 2017 15:32 Hot_Bid wrote: i don't think anyones really faulting EG for their decision making on this, it's clearly a business decision each org has to make for itself, and things were trending that way for EG and SC2 for a while -- they haven't had a serious competitive SC2 player in a long time. however, what people are upset about is the callousness that they treat the guys they're letting go -- no proper goodbye, thank you, etc. fans will understand if there's no high budget history video about these guys, but more than a throwaway line in a 90 second video is just brutal. i can see why huk and inc are upset. it'd be like a pro sports team cutting a 15 year veteran that helped build it from the beginning with nothing more than a one liner. hopefully they have something more planned or can do something more appropriate, they can still do the right thing here even if its just a small article or video, just something to commemorate the guys and give thanks and honor the history of it. I can see it from both sides. We were all around when SC2 was building up and EG rose to its peak, and that was great. PPD didn't join EG until much later. Under his new management, he's not going to have the same connection to the longtime veterans. So it's understandable why his announcement would be very matter-of-fact (and besides, I'm not expecting him to have the same marketing and business savvy that the previous leadership had). But it's also understandable why this would be a jarring and upsetting message for fans. I agree with you though, I hope they react to this negative public response with a more considerate follow-up. | ||
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lestye
United States4178 Posts
On January 02 2017 14:31 Eternal Dalek wrote: I agree with you, but seeing Starcraft 2 die out like this still hurts. I honestly believe that all this happened because Blizzard tried way too hard to make it into an esport. The thing about the esports that dominate the world today is that none of them started out as esports or were even intended to become esports. They simply evolved into esports naturally: 1. DotA - Started out as a very simple Warcraft 3 mod where you controlled just one unit instead of one army. It eventually evolved over the years into the most lucrative esport in the world. 2. LoL - Basically a DotA clone that became successful in its own right. Like DotA, it was not forced into becoming an esport and became one naturally. 3. Counterstrike - Started out as a very simple Half-Life 1 mod. Easy to learn, hard to master. Very accessible but also has a lot of depth. 4. Hearthstone - It's basically a very accessible version of Magic: the Gathering. It was designed to be a casual game that became an esport naturally. It feels like Blizzard misunderstood what made esports great. They seemed to have assumed that people watch esports to watch people play games much better than they can. While this is true, they failed to realize that people watch games that they themselves like to play, and we here on TL.net are a very small minority compared to the entire Starcraft 2 player base. Outside of TL.net and isolated pockets like /r/starcraft/ and Twitch, almost no one has a positive opinion of Starcraft 2's multiplayer. Can the game recover? It can, but Blizzard would have to completely change the way they develop it. They have to get off their high horse and start making the game fun to play again instead of simply being "fun to watch." Some might argue they didn't ry hard enough initially. Regardless, RTS as an esport is an anomaly in the West. It was a good run but it was never to last once Counterstrike got out if its rut from 09-12 On January 02 2017 14:01 nurle wrote: SC2 has got to go down as on one of the biggest disappointments in history of gaming.. Man what happened It's not like it fell on its face. It launched, it did peaked, it declined. Same thing will happen to any and every esport. It started a crazy new wave of esports in the West. It exiting in the least popular genre doesn't help. | ||
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
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lestye
United States4178 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
On January 02 2017 14:31 Eternal Dalek wrote: I agree with you, but seeing Starcraft 2 die out like this still hurts. I honestly believe that all this happened because Blizzard tried way too hard to make it into an esport. The thing about the esports that dominate the world today is that none of them started out as esports or were even intended to become esports. They simply evolved into esports naturally: 1. DotA - Started out as a very simple Warcraft 3 mod where you controlled just one unit instead of one army. It eventually evolved over the years into the most lucrative esport in the world. 2. LoL - Basically a DotA clone that became successful in its own right. Like DotA, it was not forced into becoming an esport and became one naturally. 3. Counterstrike - Started out as a very simple Half-Life 1 mod. Easy to learn, hard to master. Very accessible but also has a lot of depth. 4. Hearthstone - It's basically a very accessible version of Magic: the Gathering. It was designed to be a casual game that became an esport naturally. It feels like Blizzard misunderstood what made esports great. They seemed to have assumed that people watch esports to watch people play games much better than they can. While this is true, they failed to realize that people watch games that they themselves like to play, and we here on TL.net are a very small minority compared to the entire Starcraft 2 player base. Outside of TL.net and isolated pockets like /r/starcraft/ and Twitch, almost no one has a positive opinion of Starcraft 2's multiplayer. Can the game recover? It can, but Blizzard would have to completely change the way they develop it. They have to get off their high horse and start making the game fun to play again instead of simply being "fun to watch." I don't agree with #2 and especially #4. LoL came earlier than SC2 and was not seen as competitive until Riot started building it that way after they saw what eSports could do for them. If Blizzard didn't have a circuit for HS, then I don't think the game would have a eSports scene now. The first year sure, people tried. But as the RNG increased, I noticed way less and less tournaments now and they don't match the numbers of the first year. The game is sure is no doubt popular but no one really takes it that seriously anymore. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
More importantly though, announcing Geoffs and Justin's departure from the team like this is a fucking shame. They were the 'OG' of Evil Geniuses for me and PPD announced it via ~2minute video. | ||
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maitiky
Czech Republic54 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On January 02 2017 16:25 Tosster wrote: Pathetic video, this is not EG I member. member EG ? I member  | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
Looks like a publicity stunt if you ask me, and the thread should be marked as closed and consigned to the ashes of history | ||
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SpecKROELLchen
Germany151 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On January 02 2017 17:20 Topdoller wrote: I dont even know why this is being posted as EG hasn't been relevant in SC2 for a good fews year now. Looks like a publicity stunt if you ask me, and the thread should be marked as closed and consigned to the ashes of history Very poetic, but personally I would replace 'consigned' with 'relegated'. I was never a big fan of EG to begin with. I liked many of their SC2 players, but management always seemed more concerned about marketing and business, and not about the passion of the game. That's why I am a huge fan of TL. I was happy when EG gave up and comers a chance, but aside from that it always seemed more about the money. I don't fault them or wish anything ill begotten. They made a decision to drop SC2. That's it. At least we are getting interest from teams like Splyce. I think the hole EG left behind will be filled eventually. On January 02 2017 17:38 SpecKROELLchen wrote: It would be nice if incontrol could join a team with active players. He is such a good promoter. He is a good promoter. I remember when Toronto had it's first SC2 tournament, Geoff went on an early morning news program to explain esports and SC2. He did a great job of explaining esports while deflecting any stereotypes of 'basement dwelling gamer that still lives with his parents'. | ||
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