EPTSC2 division is closed, and HuK and iNcontroL left the organisation.
EG disbands SC2 division
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HighArT
Croatia189 Posts
SC2 division is closed, and HuK and iNcontroL left the organisation.
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lechatnoir
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pieroog
Poland146 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
Joking aside Incontrol and Justin Wong have been part of EG for so many years it feel strange to see them part way. | ||
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Hathsin
Germany29 Posts
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
Sorry but thats hilarious. Same thing for some players who just left. I can´t blame anyone for the decision to leave the game or switch games or anything like that, what i just dislike is doing so without letting anyone know. The "just don´t talk about it" attitude is big in SC2. | ||
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Garuga
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 02 2017 06:34 Garuga wrote: Why is some 15-year old looking fella the spokesperson for a company? I hate mobas with a fiery passion. PPD bought EG after Alex Garfield left using his winnings from TI5 (~$2MM) | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On January 02 2017 06:30 EXRNaRa wrote: Have to be honest about this, i have no respect for all those organisations/players/teams leaving the fans so silently who supported them over all those years without any information. EG is not there anymore since months if not years and the announcment still comes NOW. Sorry but thats hilarious. Same thing for some players who just left. I can´t blame anyone for the decision to leave the game or switch games or anything like that, what i just dislike is doing so without letting anyone know. The "just don´t talk about it" attitude is big in SC2. Incontrol did a full video on this specifically about 6 weeks ago. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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GreenMash
Norway1746 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13386 Posts
On January 02 2017 07:03 Heyoka wrote: Incontrol did a full video on this specifically about 6 weeks ago. I'm more appalled at the way the organization itself decided to announce all this stuff. I mean 2 of the longest standing members of EG in incontrol and jwong leave and all they each get is a couple seconds in a short and poorly made video. Its actually a sign of how far I think EG as an org has fallen compared to a few years ago. Its like they've lost all their pride in the brand with the exception of their DotA team. | ||
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PuddleZerg
United States82 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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I wasbanned fromthis
113 Posts
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
The guy is basically Jaedong as far as legacy goes, and has been with EG forever | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
The company basically only has the name as far as how similar it is from the sc2 days. Garfield leaving changed it forever, it's PDD's organisation no, and while I respect the guy, he's clearly not the same business man. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
I really like and hate at the same time how PPD does things, but he's the captain for real now (especially after Alex Garfield kinda went away). Hope he focuses the company to a better spot once things settle down. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On January 02 2017 08:43 stuchiu wrote: EG changed long before PPD took over. Sure, probably started when people like Scoot left, but right now it's even more apparent than before EG is not this enormous thing anymore, it's a Brand name who got bought by a old player. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On January 02 2017 08:43 stuchiu wrote: EG changed long before PPD took over. In what way? After they were acquired by twitch in 2014 they seemed to slow their pace on the goofy player videos, but besides that it still seemed like EG to me. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
A lot of people blame League of Legends for cannibalising SC2's player base, but I really don't think that's the case. RTS and MOBA are two entirely different genres that don't necessarily share viewerships or player bases. Instead, I see mismanagement on Blizzard's end as a big reason why the game fell from grace. Just look at WCS. It was haphazardly implemented by Bllizzard with very little input from or even warning towards TOs and players back in early 2013; and in a four year period we saw MLG, ESL, OGN and GOMTV ditch the scene, NASL die to bankruptcy, and plenty of professional gamers and teams ditch the game in droves. Some did quit because the game was starting to suck, sure, but some of these players and teams moved on because of changes being made to the system which screwed their particular region. Just look at Axiom as an example. Then there's the fact that SC2 simply isn't the same game that it was six years ago. WoL back in 2011 was the quintessential RTS game with a few bad units that Blizzard could have retrospectively buffed, like the Siege Tank. You could generally play however the hell you want, and there were a plethora of diverse builds and playstyles. LotV on the other hand is what happens when Blizzard try to change things and cock everything up. The map design is horrible, certain units like the Adept completely invalidate other units of the same tier, you mine out too quickly, worker harassment and all-ins are far too difficult and coin-flippy to defend, and overall create the most frustrating gaming experience known to man. EG's departure from SC2 really should be a wake-up call to Blizzard. Heads need to roll in the SC2 development team and WCS 2017 needs to be stalled if they don't want the game to outright die. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 02 2017 08:52 Tachion wrote: In what way? After they were acquired by twitch in 2014 they seemed to slow their pace on the goofy player videos, but besides that it still seemed like EG to me. They just stopped doing things. They were always focused on the bottom line to an extent, but they still had pretty good players that were either top tier or potential pickups. At some point, they just stopped making moves besides Dota2. | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On January 02 2017 08:56 Clbull wrote: EG's departure from SC2 really should be a wake-up call to Blizzard. Heads need to roll in the SC2 development team and WCS 2017 needs to be stalled if they don't want the game to outright die. There is no wake-up call. Its too late for that. If blizzard does a big 180° now it will only make things worse instead of improving them. They will alienate the players they still have who are enjoying LotV as it is. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
EG's been gone a while, this is just making it official EDIT: Apparently Oz/Xeno/Alive were 2013 pick ups. So THEY'RE the last pick ups. In 2013 | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On January 02 2017 09:23 Shellshock wrote: Didn't know they were still in sc2 for the last year or so tbh Same. I just sort of assumed they disbanded once Jaedong left. | ||
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ragnasaur
United States804 Posts
I'll never forget meeting EG in Arizona (losing to them) and when idra walked in on me peeing | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
Has EG been dumped by Twitch (after acquring all the people at the company) and PPD was given the offer to buy it, and being that he seems to have aspirations of having his own esports company, took the opportunity? Also this video seems very off for some reason. Certainly feels like a major transition for the company, and deserves a little more than just some incredibly annoying and scripted quick presentation. | ||
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Garemie
United States248 Posts
Strange world we live in... | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On January 02 2017 10:20 mnck wrote: Can anyone link me to any thorough explainations of what the fuck happened at EG? Did Twitch buy the brand and ruin it and a bunch of people left out of frustration? How the hell did PPD of all people end up as CEO? I honestly couldn't even believe the news when I read PPD was retiring. The most consistent player of all time in Dota, well above both Puppey and Xiao8. Has EG been dumped by Twitch (after acquring all the people at the company) and PPD was given the offer to buy it, and being that he seems to have aspirations of having his own esports company, took the opportunity? Also this video seems very off for some reason. Certainly feels like a major transition for the company, and deserves a little more than just some incredibly annoying and scripted quick presentation. Have to admit that this video is worthy of a 11th grade English presentation. Would have no idea that it was one of the biggest gaming organizations of all time if you didn't already know. | ||
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207aicila
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On January 02 2017 08:56 Clbull wrote: I'm going to play devil's advocate here and defend EG's apathy towards ditching SC2. I don't see a lot of problematic apathy, seems like half the posts are confused that EG was still technically active in SC2, and the other half posts are people who follow other eSports as well and think this video is just bad in every way and EG is going in a poor direction almost in its entirety (and I agree with that honestly). | ||
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FuFighter
Germany60 Posts
Other than that I agree with most people here: it's pathetic to do a poor video like that to announce that SC2 is out and that people who made EG what it is left. IMO everyone involved deserve more than that. I have always been a fan of the talents and not the teams and luckily we still have Mr Incontrol to provide SC2 content. No EG tag needed for that :-) | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
A friend reminded me that this is the same organization that started off as a Canadian CS team, so big changes aren't unusual for them really. Just another stepping stone for them. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 02 2017 11:28 mikedebo wrote: Aren't they also winning kabillions of dollars in dota or something? Maybe this PPD guy just doesn't care about these other games and spent the bare minimum of time needed to make this announcement. It's not pretty, but it sounds like very little remains besides the name of the EG that existed when SC2 was just starting. Yeah pretty much. When Alex Garfield ran the company, it was as a broad esports pro gaming brand. PPD's origins are in Dota (plus he's a millionaire from winning TI) so it makes sense that's where he'd want the most focus. No doubt some of the other games were either no longer profitable or required too much overhead. Some of them seem questionable (Momochi and JWong couldn't pull their weight and turn a profit for the company??) but he probably has the clarity to make a final judgment. | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
When Geoff left, they didn't even say anything about it. It's pretty clear management doesn't give a damn about sc2 or its people who helped build EG. The EG we know no longer exists. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On January 02 2017 11:37 Excalibur_Z wrote: Yeah pretty much. When Alex Garfield ran the company, it was as a broad esports pro gaming brand. PPD's origins are in Dota (plus he's a millionaire from winning TI) so it makes sense that's where he'd want the most focus. No doubt some of the other games were either no longer profitable or required too much overhead. Some of them seem questionable (Momochi and JWong couldn't pull their weight and turn a profit for the company??) but he probably has the clarity to make a final judgment. They signed Chris G, so I'm guessing they're looking for FGCers who probably won't come in as pricey. There's a new MvC coming out next year and the current roster will participate there as well I'm sure -- assuming Ricki and k-brad stick around. | ||
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HugoBallzak
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Eiltonn
Germany307 Posts
On January 02 2017 07:29 GreenMash wrote: Kinda shitty to have a title "Welcoming 2017" while dropping alot of players lmao. Exactly what i was thinking. This leaves a probably unwanted sarcastic Impression. | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
EG honored their contracts with the last SC2 personalities on their team Huk and Incontrol and with the last 2 contracts ending, of cause their sc2 division goes with it. I would have thought most people would have known by now. Like what most people said, momochi and Justin Wong leaving are much much bigger surprises. They seem to be doing quite well in SFV this year, so releasing them is a mild shock. | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On January 02 2017 11:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I mean, everyone knew this was coming. Incontrol had said it a long time ago. They hadn't made a pickup since Jaedong and all their players were basically retired. Huk's been casting Overwatch (with pretty bad reception) and JD is back to BW. Suppy, Throzain and Xeno are just students now. It's sad to see. A friend reminded me that this is the same organization that started off as a Canadian CS team, so big changes aren't unusual for them really. Just another stepping stone for them. I remember way back when, when EG was a Canadian CS 1.6 team. They were pretty good and one of the best in NA too. They've lasted for a long time and grew quite a bit over the years, but it seems like they're downsizing now and not just with them closing SC2. Going to be interesting if not depressing to see how much further EG will scale down this year if at all. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
Now that their old sparring partner is gone, I wonder when TL will drop their SC2 team. They do still have one, right? | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On January 02 2017 13:39 Shinespark wrote: I didn't know they still had an SC2 team. Now that their old sparring partner is gone, I wonder when TL will drop their SC2 team. They do still have one, right? With uThermal, TLO, Mana, and Snute on the team, yeah they definitely still have a team. TL literally built themselves off of Starcraft more than any other team ever since the BW days, and I fully expect them to stay committed even if they're the last team standing. | ||
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 02 2017 14:01 nurle wrote: SC2 has got to go down as on one of the biggest disappointments in history of gaming.. Man what happened Dude gaming has things like Spore and No Man's Sky. Even if you think SC2 is disappointing it's not even in the same ballpark as those. | ||
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EG.lectR
United States617 Posts
On January 02 2017 06:39 Excalibur_Z wrote: PPD bought EG after Alex Garfield left using his winnings from TI5 (~$2MM) Huh? That's false. Twitch gave it to Peter and the Dota 2 team. | ||
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RPGabe
United States192 Posts
I agree with the earlier posts that Blizzard is ultimately responsible for how SC2 has played out. Even outside of the gameplay, IMO they made choices that made it difficult for 3rd party tournaments and leagues to prosper. They didn't want another BW KESPA but failed to deliver a better alternative. I think the future of competitive RTS will happen with another company. Even if they started working on SC3 today, Bliz takes 3 or 4 years to put out a product. And the way Bliz designs games now (D3, Hearthstone, HOTS, Overwatch) is much more with the mass market than with hardcore players in mind. I love those games for what they are, but they aren't Broodwar. | ||
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
On January 02 2017 14:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Dude gaming has things like Spore and No Man's Sky. Even if you think SC2 is disappointing it's not even in the same ballpark as those. I agree with you, but seeing Starcraft 2 die out like this still hurts. I honestly believe that all this happened because Blizzard tried way too hard to make it into an esport. The thing about the esports that dominate the world today is that none of them started out as esports or were even intended to become esports. They simply evolved into esports naturally: 1. DotA - Started out as a very simple Warcraft 3 mod where you controlled just one unit instead of one army. It eventually evolved over the years into the most lucrative esport in the world. 2. LoL - Basically a DotA clone that became successful in its own right. Like DotA, it was not forced into becoming an esport and became one naturally. 3. Counterstrike - Started out as a very simple Half-Life 1 mod. Easy to learn, hard to master. Very accessible but also has a lot of depth. 4. Hearthstone - It's basically a very accessible version of Magic: the Gathering. It was designed to be a casual game that became an esport naturally. It feels like Blizzard misunderstood what made esports great. They seemed to have assumed that people watch esports to watch people play games much better than they can. While this is true, they failed to realize that people watch games that they themselves like to play, and we here on TL.net are a very small minority compared to the entire Starcraft 2 player base. Outside of TL.net and isolated pockets like /r/starcraft/ and Twitch, almost no one has a positive opinion of Starcraft 2's multiplayer. Can the game recover? It can, but Blizzard would have to completely change the way they develop it. They have to get off their high horse and start making the game fun to play again instead of simply being "fun to watch." | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 02 2017 14:23 EG.lectR wrote: Huh? That's false. Twitch gave it to Peter and the Dota 2 team. Wait, really?? They just handed it over to him for free?! :OOOOOO | ||
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RenSC2
United States1047 Posts
This announcement was just sad for what was once a premier brand. Now it's just a good team in DotA, but the brand is crap. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Then they got quiet. All of the things that made EG such a strong presence went away - I don't see anyone with the production chops of a Scoots, or the personalities of Anna or Geoff or Idra or HuK or any of the people that used to make EG a name that easily came to mind. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On January 02 2017 15:16 felisconcolori wrote: EG was once a giant marketing machine with a way of making sure their sponsors got a good value out of their investment through videos and aggressive brand exposure. Then they got quiet. All of the things that made EG such a strong presence went away - I don't see anyone with the production chops of a Scoots, or the personalities of Anna or Geoff or Idra or HuK or any of the people that used to make EG a name that easily came to mind. On the other hand, I do seem to remember them getting a lot of flak as a team that focused on showmanship instead of actual player results (both in SC2 and fighting games) so perhaps where they're going now is ultimately better. I guess we'll find out. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1797 Posts
Times sure have changed. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
however, what people are upset about is the callousness that they treat the guys they're letting go -- no proper goodbye, thank you, etc. fans will understand if there's no high budget history video about these guys, but more than a throwaway line in a 90 second video is just brutal. i can see why huk and inc are upset. it'd be like a pro sports team cutting a 15 year veteran that helped build it from the beginning with nothing more than a one liner. hopefully they have something more planned or can do something more appropriate, they can still do the right thing here even if its just a small article or video, just something to commemorate the guys and give thanks and honor the history of it. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5214 Posts
On January 02 2017 15:32 Hot_Bid wrote: It'd be like a pro sports team cutting a 15 year veteran that helped build it from the beginning with nothing more than a one liner. Except the pro sports team belongs to a league that is shadow of it's former self. So it is a bit different. But yeah, they should have gotten a bit better send off. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 02 2017 15:32 Hot_Bid wrote: i don't think anyones really faulting EG for their decision making on this, it's clearly a business decision each org has to make for itself, and things were trending that way for EG and SC2 for a while -- they haven't had a serious competitive SC2 player in a long time. however, what people are upset about is the callousness that they treat the guys they're letting go -- no proper goodbye, thank you, etc. fans will understand if there's no high budget history video about these guys, but more than a throwaway line in a 90 second video is just brutal. i can see why huk and inc are upset. it'd be like a pro sports team cutting a 15 year veteran that helped build it from the beginning with nothing more than a one liner. hopefully they have something more planned or can do something more appropriate, they can still do the right thing here even if its just a small article or video, just something to commemorate the guys and give thanks and honor the history of it. I can see it from both sides. We were all around when SC2 was building up and EG rose to its peak, and that was great. PPD didn't join EG until much later. Under his new management, he's not going to have the same connection to the longtime veterans. So it's understandable why his announcement would be very matter-of-fact (and besides, I'm not expecting him to have the same marketing and business savvy that the previous leadership had). But it's also understandable why this would be a jarring and upsetting message for fans. I agree with you though, I hope they react to this negative public response with a more considerate follow-up. | ||
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
On January 02 2017 14:31 Eternal Dalek wrote: I agree with you, but seeing Starcraft 2 die out like this still hurts. I honestly believe that all this happened because Blizzard tried way too hard to make it into an esport. The thing about the esports that dominate the world today is that none of them started out as esports or were even intended to become esports. They simply evolved into esports naturally: 1. DotA - Started out as a very simple Warcraft 3 mod where you controlled just one unit instead of one army. It eventually evolved over the years into the most lucrative esport in the world. 2. LoL - Basically a DotA clone that became successful in its own right. Like DotA, it was not forced into becoming an esport and became one naturally. 3. Counterstrike - Started out as a very simple Half-Life 1 mod. Easy to learn, hard to master. Very accessible but also has a lot of depth. 4. Hearthstone - It's basically a very accessible version of Magic: the Gathering. It was designed to be a casual game that became an esport naturally. It feels like Blizzard misunderstood what made esports great. They seemed to have assumed that people watch esports to watch people play games much better than they can. While this is true, they failed to realize that people watch games that they themselves like to play, and we here on TL.net are a very small minority compared to the entire Starcraft 2 player base. Outside of TL.net and isolated pockets like /r/starcraft/ and Twitch, almost no one has a positive opinion of Starcraft 2's multiplayer. Can the game recover? It can, but Blizzard would have to completely change the way they develop it. They have to get off their high horse and start making the game fun to play again instead of simply being "fun to watch." Some might argue they didn't ry hard enough initially. Regardless, RTS as an esport is an anomaly in the West. It was a good run but it was never to last once Counterstrike got out if its rut from 09-12 On January 02 2017 14:01 nurle wrote: SC2 has got to go down as on one of the biggest disappointments in history of gaming.. Man what happened It's not like it fell on its face. It launched, it did peaked, it declined. Same thing will happen to any and every esport. It started a crazy new wave of esports in the West. It exiting in the least popular genre doesn't help. | ||
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
On January 02 2017 14:31 Eternal Dalek wrote: I agree with you, but seeing Starcraft 2 die out like this still hurts. I honestly believe that all this happened because Blizzard tried way too hard to make it into an esport. The thing about the esports that dominate the world today is that none of them started out as esports or were even intended to become esports. They simply evolved into esports naturally: 1. DotA - Started out as a very simple Warcraft 3 mod where you controlled just one unit instead of one army. It eventually evolved over the years into the most lucrative esport in the world. 2. LoL - Basically a DotA clone that became successful in its own right. Like DotA, it was not forced into becoming an esport and became one naturally. 3. Counterstrike - Started out as a very simple Half-Life 1 mod. Easy to learn, hard to master. Very accessible but also has a lot of depth. 4. Hearthstone - It's basically a very accessible version of Magic: the Gathering. It was designed to be a casual game that became an esport naturally. It feels like Blizzard misunderstood what made esports great. They seemed to have assumed that people watch esports to watch people play games much better than they can. While this is true, they failed to realize that people watch games that they themselves like to play, and we here on TL.net are a very small minority compared to the entire Starcraft 2 player base. Outside of TL.net and isolated pockets like /r/starcraft/ and Twitch, almost no one has a positive opinion of Starcraft 2's multiplayer. Can the game recover? It can, but Blizzard would have to completely change the way they develop it. They have to get off their high horse and start making the game fun to play again instead of simply being "fun to watch." I don't agree with #2 and especially #4. LoL came earlier than SC2 and was not seen as competitive until Riot started building it that way after they saw what eSports could do for them. If Blizzard didn't have a circuit for HS, then I don't think the game would have a eSports scene now. The first year sure, people tried. But as the RNG increased, I noticed way less and less tournaments now and they don't match the numbers of the first year. The game is sure is no doubt popular but no one really takes it that seriously anymore. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
More importantly though, announcing Geoffs and Justin's departure from the team like this is a fucking shame. They were the 'OG' of Evil Geniuses for me and PPD announced it via ~2minute video. | ||
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maitiky
Czech Republic54 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On January 02 2017 16:25 Tosster wrote: Pathetic video, this is not EG I member. member EG ? I member  | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
Looks like a publicity stunt if you ask me, and the thread should be marked as closed and consigned to the ashes of history | ||
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SpecKROELLchen
Germany151 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On January 02 2017 17:20 Topdoller wrote: I dont even know why this is being posted as EG hasn't been relevant in SC2 for a good fews year now. Looks like a publicity stunt if you ask me, and the thread should be marked as closed and consigned to the ashes of history Very poetic, but personally I would replace 'consigned' with 'relegated'. I was never a big fan of EG to begin with. I liked many of their SC2 players, but management always seemed more concerned about marketing and business, and not about the passion of the game. That's why I am a huge fan of TL. I was happy when EG gave up and comers a chance, but aside from that it always seemed more about the money. I don't fault them or wish anything ill begotten. They made a decision to drop SC2. That's it. At least we are getting interest from teams like Splyce. I think the hole EG left behind will be filled eventually. On January 02 2017 17:38 SpecKROELLchen wrote: It would be nice if incontrol could join a team with active players. He is such a good promoter. He is a good promoter. I remember when Toronto had it's first SC2 tournament, Geoff went on an early morning news program to explain esports and SC2. He did a great job of explaining esports while deflecting any stereotypes of 'basement dwelling gamer that still lives with his parents'. | ||
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Diaresta
United States597 Posts
I'm really surprised about JWong leaving | ||
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SlammerSC2
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 02 2017 18:16 Salteador Neo wrote: Justin Wong is such a legend. This EG management looks truly awful. JWong left of his own accord though. He's going to build his own personal brand. e: Ditto Momochi/Chocoblanka. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On January 02 2017 18:17 Excalibur_Z wrote: JWong left of his own accord though. He's going to build his own personal brand. e: Ditto Momochi/Chocoblanka. Ah, good to know. He still deserves some big video tribute at least, his accomplishments with EG have been spectacular. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
Not that surprising given EG's limited involvement in SC2 and a big management restructure. On the upside, PPMD! | ||
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hexhaven
Finland926 Posts
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Skynx
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mammuluk
Italy94 Posts
On January 02 2017 06:30 EXRNaRa wrote: Have to be honest about this, i have no respect for all those organisations/players/teams leaving the fans so silently who supported them over all those years without any information. EG is not there anymore since months if not years and the announcment still comes NOW. Sorry but thats hilarious. Same thing for some players who just left. I can´t blame anyone for the decision to leave the game or switch games or anything like that, what i just dislike is doing so without letting anyone know. The "just don´t talk about it" attitude is big in SC2. Best comment. This stuff is totally disrespectful to the fans. Starcraft has an important History. Nobody should spit on it... As an Italian, I have to say that also the comment about Totti is remarkable  | ||
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France12761 Posts
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Bulgaria164 Posts
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United States18820 Posts
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 02 2017 19:55 Skynx wrote: It was not far off that Totti was sent to the gates by Roma management after 30 years in disgraceful manner. Until he showed he is still their savior. When they make a speech to the public thanking Totti, it is as much for PR reasons in a club that will continue to exist, unlike the SC2 division. In essence there is no PR to please.Imagine the day when Totti finally retires from football and leaves Roma and some kid just says "cheers Francesco byeee" on a facetime recording as a goodbye. I am sure PPD thanks IncontroL for his contributions for the growth of the brand internally. I think unlike Totti, IncontroL wanted to do his own thing, thus chose to leave by own accord. At the end of the day, it does feel like trying to compare apples and oranges. | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13968 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9362 Posts
He is a good promoter. I remember when Toronto had it's first SC2 tournament, Geoff went on an early morning news program to explain esports and SC2. He did a great job of explaining esports while deflecting any stereotypes of 'basement dwelling gamer that still lives with his parents'. Always surprised Incontrol never moved on to a more general esports representative for w/e organization. He has a lot more potential to be more than just an SC2 personality. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On January 02 2017 16:20 lestye wrote: Some might argue they didn't ry hard enough initially. Regardless, RTS as an esport is an anomaly in the West. It was a good run but it was never to last once Counterstrike got out if its rut from 09-12 It's not like it fell on its face. It launched, it did peaked, it declined. Same thing will happen to any and every esport. It started a crazy new wave of esports in the West. It exiting in the least popular genre doesn't help. 100% agree with this post. Yes the game is declining, but for fuck sake, we all gave years to this game because it is in fact amazing. It wouldn't have had a year like 2011 if it wasn't, or a 7+ years life span as a top competitive game. I'm as frustrated as anyone else is to see SC2 past its prime, but i'm even more angry and frustrated to see its own player base turning against it. On January 02 2017 20:20 mammuluk wrote: As an Italian, I have to say that also the comment about Totti is remarkable Yeah, although the Inter fan in me wishes it was about Javier Zanetti instead | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On January 02 2017 19:42 hexhaven wrote: Incontrol posted a video with some tidbits about the early days of SC2 with EG. More to follow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f3wohCKlho Very good video. Highly recommend to watch it if you want to know about things around that time. Salary numbers, 'behind the scene' stuff etc. | ||
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beentheredonethat
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44043 Posts
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/txP0GUR.jpg) Put down your pitchforks, folks. They left voluntarily. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Posting this kind of thing is clearly not a very encouraging sign for PPD's management. | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2081 Posts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f3wohCKlho&t=1285s | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16642 Posts
On January 02 2017 14:26 RPGabe wrote: It's an important reminder that when money gets involved, it's because there is something in it for them and not from love of the community or game. They will come and go. I agree with the earlier posts that Blizzard is ultimately responsible for how SC2 has played out. Even outside of the gameplay, IMO they made choices that made it difficult for 3rd party tournaments and leagues to prosper. They didn't want another BW KESPA but failed to deliver a better alternative. I think the future of competitive RTS will happen with another company. Even if they started working on SC3 today, Bliz takes 3 or 4 years to put out a product. And the way Bliz designs games now (D3, Hearthstone, HOTS, Overwatch) is much more with the mass market than with hardcore players in mind. I love those games for what they are, but they aren't Broodwar. Sigaty stated at BlizzCon 2015 that Blizzard will not create anything that will compete with SC2 for the next 10 years. RTS's influence within Blizzard started declining the nanosecond WoW came out and its influence continues to decline. Competitive RTS will continue its long slow decline. On January 02 2017 22:47 Hider wrote: Always surprised Incontrol never moved on to a more general esports representative for w/e organization. He has a lot more potential to be more than just an SC2 personality. i think what this shows is that he genuinely loves SC2 and the RTS genre. Actions speak louder than words. | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
As many know, none of the former management team are still with Evil Geniuses anymore or have been so fully since the end of 2014 (something neither of us expected) after we sold the brands to Twitch Damn, I always thought that they were still working diligently with EG from within Twitch until now. I guess this really is a new version of EG. Not sure what to think. I always really liked EG, and how they came off as so stable and professional in a scene riddled with shady and unreliable management. Same reason I like TL. How they ran their org is what really made me a fan of the team itself and not just the individual players. Sad to see my EG flair go but it feels off to keep fanboying for them over name only. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Man, the amount of drama, announcement of announcement etc... good times in SCII's history. | ||
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dr3am_b3ing
Canada188 Posts
On January 02 2017 08:15 Yonnua wrote: Woah, this came completely out of the blue. I wish they would announce announcements like this in advance. Yo dawg, we heard you like announcements... | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On January 03 2017 07:15 OsaX Nymloth wrote: I guess HuK is officially retired (his Twitter bio says Ex SC II pro). Not surprising, well expected, but still sad. He was amazing while he was playing for TeamLiquid... since then he was kind of mediocre for a pro. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Juicy quote Looking back on EG over the years, although management and I had our disagreements, there were by far more good times than bad. Even as I move forward with my career after EG, I will always look fondly on the memories. Honestly I think it might have been the best time of my life. Unfortunately, this only makes it more disappointing to think about what just happened. I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build. What hurts even more is that the rest of us were not involved with what was going on or even given a voice in the process. We either found out ourselves through rumors or were told after decisions had already been made. For me EG always had the image of an organization that was fair to their players, took care of them, and had a mutually respectful and caring relationship between player and team owner. And it makes me sad to say that in a crucial point of EG’s transition, this was not the case. I don’t want to speak for my teammates but I feel like our loyalty and patience have been taken for granted, and I would be lying if I said that I felt that we had been treated fairly here at the end. I don’t mean to be disrespectful but that is the honest truth of how I feel. Did they really just 'give' rights of EG to the dota team like someone said earlier in this thread? | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On January 02 2017 06:39 Excalibur_Z wrote: PPD bought EG after Alex Garfield left using his winnings from TI5 (~$2MM) Didnt twitch buy it?, Garfield left months ago, and PPD just became CEO. Also, its fucking nuts to put 2 million into an esports org as a long term investment option when thats probably close to every dime he has. Especially given that he will likely never have the opportunity to earn that much again unless EG gets even larger (which i doubt) lol | ||
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
On January 03 2017 09:10 Darpa wrote: Didnt twitch buy it?, Garfield left months ago, and PPD just became CEO. Also, its fucking nuts to put 2 million into an esports org as a long term investment option when thats probably close to every dime he has. Especially given that he will likely never have the opportunity to earn that much again unless EG gets even larger (which i doubt) lol Alliance and EG left Amazon/Twitch ownership when PPD became CEO. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 03 2017 09:10 Darpa wrote: Didnt twitch buy it?, Garfield left months ago, and PPD just became CEO. Also, its fucking nuts to put 2 million into an esports org as a long term investment option when thats probably close to every dime he has. Especially given that he will likely never have the opportunity to earn that much again unless EG gets even larger (which i doubt) lol Oh I wasn't suggesting that Peter paid Twitch $2MM for EG. That was just how much he won from TI5. The terms of the ownership transfer were not discussed, it's just surprising to me that it would have been handed over for free. IectR would know better than I, though. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
so many questions about what went down to lead to this. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
I certainly agree that a proper goodbye for Huk and Inc would be in order, although I really doubt that the snub is intentional. On January 03 2017 09:20 Excalibur_Z wrote: Oh I wasn't suggesting that Peter paid Twitch $2MM for EG. That was just how much he won from TI5. The terms of the ownership transfer were not discussed, it's just surprising to me that it would have been handed over for free. IectR would know better than I, though. Coming from the dota side, I have to point out that his winnings are closer to $1.3M, without accounting for any split going to other staff like their coach  | ||
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Drmooose
United States390 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16642 Posts
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8302 Posts
But it has such a storied history in Starcraft 2. From the early days of Idra, and the liquid vs EG rivalry which in some ways culminated in "you weren't loss" and later by EG aquiring HuK. From Eg vs Complexity being rekindled through Crusher and his infamous " " at TSL 3.To the days of the EG curse, and the peak of EG in SC2 as they established their "Yankee"esque image through the acquirement of Stephano and later Jaedong. The foreigner walk through the valley of death in the form of EGTL in proleague. Then the decline. The brief flashes of inspiration along the way including Jaedong taking second place at Blizzcon, and Xenocider breathing a bit of new life into the team in my opinion. But mostly decline. Idra's final ragequit, Stephano's retirement, HuK's move to a caster role, the utter failure of that damn Pizza.GG thing that -as crazy as this is- a bunch of this community put a lot of effort into and it was just surprising that Papa Johns didn't seem to care that we hit every benchmark in less than a week. Now it's all gone. I mean granted, it's been a long time coming. But still, EG fans deserved better than this. | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
PPD is also considered one of the best dota2 captains ever. He did, after all, win a TI, which is an incredible feat (not that some of the "hurdur control 1 unit casul game" people would admit). Anyways didnt know EG still kept players to this day. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On January 03 2017 16:46 Terranist wrote: at least suppy had the brains to continue school. i wish huk the best of luck but he's straight up boned without esports. As a caster you can have a pretty long esports career though. And since he is a pretty good OW caster he is looking better than most. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
I expect PDD to refresh EG and get it big again in different fields and standing opposed to the infamous NA Org trio infernal TSM, TL and C9 I hope they soon pick up a strong CS:GO team and get it rolling. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On January 03 2017 21:19 Clonester wrote: I expect PDD to refresh EG and get it big again in different fields and standing opposed to the infamous NA Org trio infernal TSM, TL and C9 I hope they soon pick up a strong CS:GO team and get it rolling. Considering that PPD announced his return to Dota 2 semi-professionally this year... Yeah, will be interesting to see if that happens. | ||
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corydoras
161 Posts
So yeah, talk about a professional organization: http://evilgeniuses.gg/The-team/StarCraft-2/ | ||
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fenrysk
United States364 Posts
On January 04 2017 05:28 corydoras wrote: As of now, EG wasn't even able to update the website and inform about these changes. So yeah, talk about a professional organization: http://evilgeniuses.gg/The-team/StarCraft-2/ Not surprising considering how much of EG's backend staff are no longer there was nice knowing you EG. I'll probably always think of iNcontroL and the EGMSCL in those golden years of 2011-2012 every time I pick up a can of Monster. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On January 04 2017 05:28 corydoras wrote: As of now, EG wasn't even able to update the website and inform about these changes. So yeah, talk about a professional organization: http://evilgeniuses.gg/The-team/StarCraft-2/ Wow, I've just checked location of the two guys. San Francisco, California. I hear it's expensive there. HuK needs a well paid job in this case. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On January 04 2017 09:56 Shield wrote: Wow, I've just checked location of the two guys. San Francisco, California. I hear it's expensive there. HuK needs a well paid job in this case. Probably more than you estimate! https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/san-francisco e: I visited a friend in Portland who used to live in the Bay Area, and he said he had a great deal on his old 1 bedroom San Francisco apartment: $2,200 per month. He said people outside of SF would tell him "that's so expensive!" and people inside of SF would say "that's such a bargain!" | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 02 2017 07:35 ZeromuS wrote: I'm more appalled at the way the organization itself decided to announce all this stuff. I mean 2 of the longest standing members of EG in incontrol and jwong leave and all they each get is a couple seconds in a short and poorly made video. Its actually a sign of how far I think EG as an org has fallen compared to a few years ago. Its like they've lost all their pride in the brand with the exception of their DotA team. This... Honestly, I don't follow SC2 anymore. I watch a little LoL these days and that's about it for eSports. WC3 and SC2 were my passions back when I had more time and actually played/managed eSports. EG has done a lot for eSports in America, and I'm grateful for what they've done, but for myself, as an unimportant eSports associate, I know longer care for them or respect them as an organization. I'll love what the name has done and accomplished, but they mine as well not exist in my mind anymore. But since they do still exist, good luck to them with their mostly casual titles and their unprofessional seeming staff. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
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RevTiberius
Canada353 Posts
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shaldengeki
United States104 Posts
On January 04 2017 10:53 Excalibur_Z wrote: Probably more than you estimate! https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/san-francisco e: I visited a friend in Portland who used to live in the Bay Area, and he said he had a great deal on his old 1 bedroom San Francisco apartment: $2,200 per month. He said people outside of SF would tell him "that's so expensive!" and people inside of SF would say "that's such a bargain!" Yeah, it really depends on where you live, but $2.2k is pretty good: https://www.zumper.com/blog/2016/09/mapping-san-francisco-rent-prices-this-fall-september-2016/ I know that, when we did our apartment hunt in SF in December 2015, 2br apartments were going for anywhere between $3k way out in outer sunset to >$4k if you wanted to live in the heart of downtown. Crazy stuff. | ||
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Matroid_Prime
Canada59 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5214 Posts
On January 02 2017 23:20 Teoita wrote: I'm as frustrated as anyone else is to see SC2 past its prime, but i'm even more angry and frustrated to see its own player base turning against it. That is the result of the developers turning against the fanbase. | ||
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