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Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-10 12:24:24
April 10 2007 12:18 GMT
#161
On April 10 2007 21:01 PaeZ wrote:
i just hope the beta testers are skilled players like testie and other gosus, so their opinions are more accurate, we dont want chobos or noobs to be testers, but people who know their shit


i hope they're generally skilled players... fast, smart, dedicated, etc., but not so ingrained into the little existing nuances of BW that they're afraid of change.

edit: they have zileas, right? he better be on the SC2 team
I BELIEVE IN CAPITAL LETTER PUNISHMENT!!!!!
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 10 2007 13:10 GMT
#162
ugh zileas worked on wc3 didnt he? i kind of remember him having some poor ideas later on (initially i liked him tho)

it's all just fuzzy memories though
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
April 10 2007 13:18 GMT
#163
Manablue nailed it on the head. People are constantly looking for the next big "pro" game and alot think it might be found in CnC3 (highly doubtful beyond 6 months imo). The number of factors that played into BW becoming the success that it is are impossible to replicate.

Im sure they are working in close conjunction with korean teams/kespa to figure out what makes it succesful professionally and how the can keep that in the game while evolving to modern expectations of more casual gamers.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 10 2007 13:28 GMT
#164
Balance and pace are successful for profession.
If they cannot balance it with a great pace, it will never fly to it's full potential.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
TheosEx
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States894 Posts
April 10 2007 13:50 GMT
#165
From Blizzard's website, Game Testers are supposed to be living within the Blizzard Company community. That means they won't be able to hire pro or semi-pro gamers unless they move there. Besides, I doubt Blizzard will even care what pro gamers think. If I was Blizzard, I wouldn't. Think about all the great games they've created without "pro gamer" help.
cravy
Profile Joined October 2006
United States525 Posts
April 10 2007 14:15 GMT
#166
they probably wont break the mold at all with sc2 <_< will just update it a little.
SC2 beta: cravy.gravy
MaxdigsSoda
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden304 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-10 14:29:24
April 10 2007 14:28 GMT
#167
hmm maybe we should petition blizzard to hire testie

AM I RIGHT, wait, that cant happen cause then it would be confirming starcraft 2.

damn, what can we do
what u wearing babe
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
April 10 2007 14:47 GMT
#168
it would suck if the sc1 community died for the sc2 community.

it might not be the same anymore ><

like with korean progamers
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
MaxdigsSoda
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden304 Posts
April 10 2007 15:11 GMT
#169
On April 10 2007 23:47 ahk-gosu wrote:
it would suck if the sc1 community died for the sc2 community.

it might not be the same anymore ><

like with korean progamers


Blizzard is going more mainsteram unfortunately, but man.. the game might suck! Then it wont matter, we only have to worry about the sc1 community if sc2 is a superb game.

But maybe the sc1/2 community can go hand in hand? who knows? Maybe sc2 will attract more sc1 players?
what u wearing babe
Fuu
Profile Joined May 2006
198 Posts
April 10 2007 16:07 GMT
#170
O my god it's scary. Do you think if they change major things we will have such a good game ? It is highly unlikely. The people who made starcraft did it carefully for sure, but it requires much more than that to do such a great game. It requires luck. Do you think the original programmers thought it will work that way ? Even if now they are aware of some recipes, it's almost sure it won't be as good, especially if it's 3-D and simplified.

Of course a lot of people here will like it and will settle for it. But explain to me what's the point in switching game if the new one sucks more, except from the first discovery weeks ? Saying that blizzard always did great games is true. Saying that blizzard will release something as great as starcraft is probably not. Warcraft 3 is not bad but it sucks compared to starcraft, it is blatant. I played both, and gave the former a fair chance... Yet a lot of people settle for it. Because they have reasons to prefer (it's cute!, i loose less, noob friendly), but probably not for the subtlest qualities of the game.

And for the last time, stop saying it won't be harmful for the sc1 community if sc2 sucks ass, cause you can't be further from the truth.

They should work on what they've already done. If they want to advance and try to revolutionize everything at least they could do it on another name and let the game in peace. Really i want to believe like i did before War3, but i'm scared. If they manage to do something as perfect, then <3. Else the stacraft community -1/3 will continue to survive, with even less attention and hope of new comers than before.
GoDannY
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany442 Posts
April 10 2007 17:14 GMT
#171
On April 11 2007 01:07 Fuu wrote:
O my god it's scary. Do you think if they change major things we will have such a good game ? It is highly unlikely. The people who made starcraft did it carefully for sure, but it requires much more than that to do such a great game. It requires luck. Do you think the original programmers thought it will work that way ? Even if now they are aware of some recipes, it's almost sure it won't be as good, especially if it's 3-D and simplified.

Of course a lot of people here will like it and will settle for it. But explain to me what's the point in switching game if the new one sucks more, except from the first discovery weeks ? Saying that blizzard always did great games is true. Saying that blizzard will release something as great as starcraft is probably not. Warcraft 3 is not bad but it sucks compared to starcraft, it is blatant. I played both, and gave the former a fair chance... Yet a lot of people settle for it. Because they have reasons to prefer (it's cute!, i loose less, noob friendly), but probably not for the subtlest qualities of the game.

And for the last time, stop saying it won't be harmful for the sc1 community if sc2 sucks ass, cause you can't be further from the truth.

They should work on what they've already done. If they want to advance and try to revolutionize everything at least they could do it on another name and let the game in peace. Really i want to believe like i did before War3, but i'm scared. If they manage to do something as perfect, then <3. Else the stacraft community -1/3 will continue to survive, with even less attention and hope of new comers than before.


absolutely my opinion, i couldn't word it better.
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Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2751 Posts
April 10 2007 18:14 GMT
#172
they should make it a MMORTS with auto-balance (eg: when firebats are overused, they get more expensive etc)
Loveletter
Profile Joined November 2006
United States543 Posts
April 10 2007 19:33 GMT
#173
eff it gogo sc bw D:<
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 10 2007 22:20 GMT
#174
On April 10 2007 02:32 AiurZ wrote:
i agree with marquis entirely. there's a lot about starcraft that you can love, and right now you can consider it the pinnacle of rts gaming in its purest form, but you cant let the past hold you back from going into the future. blizzard really should work on trying to innovate the rts genre like they tried to with wc3.

look at the difference between warcraft 2 and 3. that is the sort of thing that really needs to happen. with the starcraft name, blizzard can afford to take risks in order to push the genre forward, and it is by far the best title that can be used to push e-sports a little bit farther into the mainstream.

anything but a fully revamped game that plays essentially nothing like its predecessor would be pathetic. i want starcraft 2, not starcraft: rehashed.

Uhhhhhhhhh, if the game DOESNT play like starcraft, that would be terrible.

I'm not saying I want SC: Rehased because I don't think that's the way to go if we want the game to be commercially and competitively successful.

I want a game that is as great as SC, one that captures the same feeling and has the same feel. I want clean, SC style graphics (if it isn't 2d that's fine, it's 2007 - we should be able to make a 3D game with the same flow as a 2D game) - and by this I don't mean 1998 style graphics, I just mean the feel.

IE, plz don't make it warcraft 3 cartoony. I like war3 graphics, in a way, but they'd suck for BW

I want a game made for competitive gaming basically, so yeah, a simple, fast and deep game. Like BW, but new.

I'm hopeful.

Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 10 2007 22:21 GMT
#175
On April 10 2007 22:10 Raist wrote:
ugh zileas worked on wc3 didnt he? i kind of remember him having some poor ideas later on (initially i liked him tho)

it's all just fuzzy memories though

Hm, wasn't he only involved in the expansion (which was a massive improvement over the original)?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 10 2007 22:24 GMT
#176
On April 11 2007 01:07 Fuu wrote:
O my god it's scary. Do you think if they change major things we will have such a good game ? It is highly unlikely. The people who made starcraft did it carefully for sure, but it requires much more than that to do such a great game. It requires luck. Do you think the original programmers thought it will work that way ? Even if now they are aware of some recipes, it's almost sure it won't be as good, especially if it's 3-D and simplified.

Of course a lot of people here will like it and will settle for it. But explain to me what's the point in switching game if the new one sucks more, except from the first discovery weeks ? Saying that blizzard always did great games is true. Saying that blizzard will release something as great as starcraft is probably not. Warcraft 3 is not bad but it sucks compared to starcraft, it is blatant. I played both, and gave the former a fair chance... Yet a lot of people settle for it. Because they have reasons to prefer (it's cute!, i loose less, noob friendly), but probably not for the subtlest qualities of the game.

And for the last time, stop saying it won't be harmful for the sc1 community if sc2 sucks ass, cause you can't be further from the truth.

They should work on what they've already done. If they want to advance and try to revolutionize everything at least they could do it on another name and let the game in peace. Really i want to believe like i did before War3, but i'm scared. If they manage to do something as perfect, then <3. Else the stacraft community -1/3 will continue to survive, with even less attention and hope of new comers than before.

Meh, sure it's scary but come on - you can't choose to not do something just cause it's a little bit scary..

Blizzard has made 4 great RTS games, sure, war3 was not as good as their previous games in some peoples eyes (like mine), but they've made 2 games that I loved (I never really played warcraft 1) - Warcraft 2 and Starcraft, so clearly they are very capable people.

I have faith.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-10 22:36:20
April 10 2007 22:34 GMT
#177
Remember that SC was very imbalanced when it came out, it took several patches (up to 1.08 IIRC) until it was fully balanced. SC 1.0 was really crappy in terms of balance, BW 1.04 was much better but still not good enough.
Balancing takes time.

I think the biggest problem that SC2 is going to have is the SC community not willing to give it a chance from the very beginning.
ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
April 10 2007 22:38 GMT
#178
The main question here is:
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Poll: Will you buy it?
(Vote): Yes, no matter what the price
(Vote): No
(Vote): Only if it is 40$ or less
(Vote): Only if it is 30$ or less
(Vote): Only if it is 20$ or less
Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
April 10 2007 22:39 GMT
#179
On April 11 2007 07:34 Brutalisk wrote:
Remember that SC was very imbalanced when it came out, it took several patches (up to 1.08 IIRC) until it was fully balanced. SC 1.0 was really crappy in terms of balance, BW 1.04 was much better but still not good enough.
Balancing takes time.

I think the biggest problem that SC2 is going to have is the SC community not willing to give it a chance from the very beginning.


Which is the sad part :-/

I still think Blizzard won't fail us.
^-^
MaxdigsSoda
Profile Joined March 2007
Sweden304 Posts
April 10 2007 22:55 GMT
#180
On April 11 2007 07:34 Brutalisk wrote:
Remember that SC was very imbalanced when it came out, it took several patches (up to 1.08 IIRC) until it was fully balanced. SC 1.0 was really crappy in terms of balance, BW 1.04 was much better but still not good enough.
Balancing takes time.

I think the biggest problem that SC2 is going to have is the SC community not willing to give it a chance from the very beginning.


remember that right now warcraft 3 the frozen throne isnt balanced, and is still a noob game
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