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On April 10 2007 21:01 PaeZ wrote:
i just hope the beta testers are skilled players like testie and other gosus, so their opinions are more accurate, we dont want chobos or noobs to be testers, but people who know their shit
i hope they're generally skilled players... fast, smart, dedicated, etc., but not so ingrained into the little existing nuances of BW that they're afraid of change.
edit: they have zileas, right? he better be on the SC2 team
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United States7166 Posts
ugh zileas worked on wc3 didnt he? i kind of remember him having some poor ideas later on (initially i liked him tho)
it's all just fuzzy memories though
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Canada19447 Posts
Manablue nailed it on the head. People are constantly looking for the next big "pro" game and alot think it might be found in CnC3 (highly doubtful beyond 6 months imo). The number of factors that played into BW becoming the success that it is are impossible to replicate.
Im sure they are working in close conjunction with korean teams/kespa to figure out what makes it succesful professionally and how the can keep that in the game while evolving to modern expectations of more casual gamers.
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Balance and pace are successful for profession.
If they cannot balance it with a great pace, it will never fly to it's full potential.
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From Blizzard's website, Game Testers are supposed to be living within the Blizzard Company community. That means they won't be able to hire pro or semi-pro gamers unless they move there. Besides, I doubt Blizzard will even care what pro gamers think. If I was Blizzard, I wouldn't. Think about all the great games they've created without "pro gamer" help.
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they probably wont break the mold at all with sc2 <_< will just update it a little.
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hmm maybe we should petition blizzard to hire testie
AM I RIGHT, wait, that cant happen cause then it would be confirming starcraft 2.
damn, what can we do
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it would suck if the sc1 community died for the sc2 community.
it might not be the same anymore ><
like with korean progamers
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On April 10 2007 23:47 ahk-gosu wrote:
it would suck if the sc1 community died for the sc2 community.
it might not be the same anymore ><
like with korean progamers
Blizzard is going more mainsteram unfortunately, but man.. the game might suck! Then it wont matter, we only have to worry about the sc1 community if sc2 is a superb game.
But maybe the sc1/2 community can go hand in hand? who knows? Maybe sc2 will attract more sc1 players?
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O my god it's scary. Do you think if they change major things we will have such a good game ? It is highly unlikely. The people who made starcraft did it carefully for sure, but it requires much more than that to do such a great game. It requires luck. Do you think the original programmers thought it will work that way ? Even if now they are aware of some recipes, it's almost sure it won't be as good, especially if it's 3-D and simplified.
Of course a lot of people here will like it and will settle for it. But explain to me what's the point in switching game if the new one sucks more, except from the first discovery weeks ? Saying that blizzard always did great games is true. Saying that blizzard will release something as great as starcraft is probably not. Warcraft 3 is not bad but it sucks compared to starcraft, it is blatant. I played both, and gave the former a fair chance... Yet a lot of people settle for it. Because they have reasons to prefer (it's cute!, i loose less, noob friendly), but probably not for the subtlest qualities of the game.
And for the last time, stop saying it won't be harmful for the sc1 community if sc2 sucks ass, cause you can't be further from the truth.
They should work on what they've already done. If they want to advance and try to revolutionize everything at least they could do it on another name and let the game in peace. Really i want to believe like i did before War3, but i'm scared. If they manage to do something as perfect, then <3. Else the stacraft community -1/3 will continue to survive, with even less attention and hope of new comers than before.
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On April 11 2007 01:07 Fuu wrote:
O my god it's scary. Do you think if they change major things we will have such a good game ? It is highly unlikely. The people who made starcraft did it carefully for sure, but it requires much more than that to do such a great game. It requires luck. Do you think the original programmers thought it will work that way ? Even if now they are aware of some recipes, it's almost sure it won't be as good, especially if it's 3-D and simplified.
Of course a lot of people here will like it and will settle for it. But explain to me what's the point in switching game if the new one sucks more, except from the first discovery weeks ? Saying that blizzard always did great games is true. Saying that blizzard will release something as great as starcraft is probably not. Warcraft 3 is not bad but it sucks compared to starcraft, it is blatant. I played both, and gave the former a fair chance... Yet a lot of people settle for it. Because they have reasons to prefer (it's cute!, i loose less, noob friendly), but probably not for the subtlest qualities of the game.
And for the last time, stop saying it won't be harmful for the sc1 community if sc2 sucks ass, cause you can't be further from the truth.
They should work on what they've already done. If they want to advance and try to revolutionize everything at least they could do it on another name and let the game in peace. Really i want to believe like i did before War3, but i'm scared. If they manage to do something as perfect, then <3. Else the stacraft community -1/3 will continue to survive, with even less attention and hope of new comers than before.
absolutely my opinion, i couldn't word it better.
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they should make it a MMORTS with auto-balance (eg: when firebats are overused, they get more expensive etc)
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 10 2007 02:32 AiurZ wrote:
i agree with marquis entirely. there's a lot about starcraft that you can love, and right now you can consider it the pinnacle of rts gaming in its purest form, but you cant let the past hold you back from going into the future. blizzard really should work on trying to innovate the rts genre like they tried to with wc3.
look at the difference between warcraft 2 and 3. that is the sort of thing that really needs to happen. with the starcraft name, blizzard can afford to take risks in order to push the genre forward, and it is by far the best title that can be used to push e-sports a little bit farther into the mainstream.
anything but a fully revamped game that plays essentially nothing like its predecessor would be pathetic. i want starcraft 2, not starcraft: rehashed.
Uhhhhhhhhh, if the game DOESNT play like starcraft, that would be terrible.
I'm not saying I want SC: Rehased because I don't think that's the way to go if we want the game to be commercially and competitively successful.
I want a game that is as great as SC, one that captures the same feeling and has the same feel. I want clean, SC style graphics (if it isn't 2d that's fine, it's 2007 - we should be able to make a 3D game with the same flow as a 2D game) - and by this I don't mean 1998 style graphics, I just mean the feel.
IE, plz don't make it warcraft 3 cartoony. I like war3 graphics, in a way, but they'd suck for BW 
I want a game made for competitive gaming basically, so yeah, a simple, fast and deep game. Like BW, but new.
I'm hopeful.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 10 2007 22:10 Raist wrote:
ugh zileas worked on wc3 didnt he? i kind of remember him having some poor ideas later on (initially i liked him tho)
it's all just fuzzy memories though
Hm, wasn't he only involved in the expansion (which was a massive improvement over the original)?
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 11 2007 01:07 Fuu wrote:
O my god it's scary. Do you think if they change major things we will have such a good game ? It is highly unlikely. The people who made starcraft did it carefully for sure, but it requires much more than that to do such a great game. It requires luck. Do you think the original programmers thought it will work that way ? Even if now they are aware of some recipes, it's almost sure it won't be as good, especially if it's 3-D and simplified.
Of course a lot of people here will like it and will settle for it. But explain to me what's the point in switching game if the new one sucks more, except from the first discovery weeks ? Saying that blizzard always did great games is true. Saying that blizzard will release something as great as starcraft is probably not. Warcraft 3 is not bad but it sucks compared to starcraft, it is blatant. I played both, and gave the former a fair chance... Yet a lot of people settle for it. Because they have reasons to prefer (it's cute!, i loose less, noob friendly), but probably not for the subtlest qualities of the game.
And for the last time, stop saying it won't be harmful for the sc1 community if sc2 sucks ass, cause you can't be further from the truth.
They should work on what they've already done. If they want to advance and try to revolutionize everything at least they could do it on another name and let the game in peace. Really i want to believe like i did before War3, but i'm scared. If they manage to do something as perfect, then <3. Else the stacraft community -1/3 will continue to survive, with even less attention and hope of new comers than before.
Meh, sure it's scary but come on - you can't choose to not do something just cause it's a little bit scary..
Blizzard has made 4 great RTS games, sure, war3 was not as good as their previous games in some peoples eyes (like mine), but they've made 2 games that I loved (I never really played warcraft 1) - Warcraft 2 and Starcraft, so clearly they are very capable people.
I have faith.
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Remember that SC was very imbalanced when it came out, it took several patches (up to 1.08 IIRC) until it was fully balanced. SC 1.0 was really crappy in terms of balance, BW 1.04 was much better but still not good enough.
Balancing takes time.
I think the biggest problem that SC2 is going to have is the SC community not willing to give it a chance from the very beginning.
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The main question here is:
Poll: Will you buy it?
(Vote): Yes, no matter what the price
(Vote): No
(Vote): Only if it is 40$ or less
(Vote): Only if it is 30$ or less
(Vote): Only if it is 20$ or less
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On April 11 2007 07:34 Brutalisk wrote:
Remember that SC was very imbalanced when it came out, it took several patches (up to 1.08 IIRC) until it was fully balanced. SC 1.0 was really crappy in terms of balance, BW 1.04 was much better but still not good enough.
Balancing takes time.
I think the biggest problem that SC2 is going to have is the SC community not willing to give it a chance from the very beginning.
Which is the sad part :-/
I still think Blizzard won't fail us.
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On April 11 2007 07:34 Brutalisk wrote:
Remember that SC was very imbalanced when it came out, it took several patches (up to 1.08 IIRC) until it was fully balanced. SC 1.0 was really crappy in terms of balance, BW 1.04 was much better but still not good enough.
Balancing takes time.
I think the biggest problem that SC2 is going to have is the SC community not willing to give it a chance from the very beginning.
remember that right now warcraft 3 the frozen throne isnt balanced, and is still a noob game
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