Offline qualifiers for 2017 GSL Season 1 Code A will be held on December 27th
Code A Qualifiers Application Period: - December 16th, 2016 ~ December 23rd, 2016 Friday 23:59 PM (KST)
Code A Qualifiers Offline Event: - December 27th(Tue) 2016 (KST)
Location: Nice Game TV PC Room, Sindorim Station (Seoul)
Participation Requirements: - Must be at least 12 years old - Need to have a SC2 Battle.net account (cannot use your family's or friends' accounts) - Masters/Grandmaster league players (Any Region)
Match Format: 1) There are more than or equal to 64 people. Bo3, double elimination from the Ro4 2 players each group advance
2) There are less than 64 people. Full league Bo1, 4 players from each group advance
Map Pool - Echo - Whirlwind - Overgrowth
To apply for the qualifiers, fill out the form found here, non-Koreans please sign-up via email to gsl@afreecatv.com.
It asks for: Name (Cell) Phone number Battle Tag E-mail address Ladder rank and score (e.g. Masters, 500 points) StarCraft 2 character name (name displayed in-game) Race (1 - Terran, 2 - Protoss, 3 - Zerg, 4 - Random)
If you have any further questions regarding the qualifier, contact AfreecaTV at gsl@afreecatv.com
You didn't translate the format part fully. There are two posibilities. 1) There are more than or equal to 64 people. Bo3, double elimination from the ro4 Maps:Echo(1st), Whirlwind(2nd), and overgrowth(3rd) 2 players each group advances
2) There are less than 64 people. Full league Bo1, 4 players each group advances. (Since there will be 32 players advancing, 8 groups I guess)
On December 16 2016 23:43 egernya wrote: You didn't translate the format part fully. There are two posibilities.
Mostly because the format for less than 64 signups doesn't make much sense to me
Well now it makes sense no? :D
Not "It doesn't make sense" as in "They'll have 64 or more signups for sure" but as in "I have no idea what this format is supposed to look like"
WHen there are less than 64 signups there will be n groups with x players each full round robin bo1 with top 4 players advancing. That's how it looks like, no?
wait, are the top 8 players from last season be seeded straight to Code S and the Code S players from last season be seeded to Code A this year? or is this like a complete new season with no seeded players whatsoever?
On December 20 2016 01:28 NinjaToss wrote: wait, are the top 8 players from last season be seeded straight to Code S and the Code S players from last season be seeded to Code A this year? or is this like a complete new season with no seeded players whatsoever?
First season of the year is a clean slate, has been done like this before, I believe both GSL 2014 S1 and 2015 S1 were complete resets.
On December 20 2016 01:28 NinjaToss wrote: wait, are the top 8 players from last season be seeded straight to Code S and the Code S players from last season be seeded to Code A this year? or is this like a complete new season with no seeded players whatsoever?
First season of the year is a clean slate, has been done like this before, I believe both GSL 2014 S1 and 2015 S1 were complete resets.
2016 because LotV came out and 2015 because whatever.
On December 20 2016 01:55 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't like that tbh, there is no reason to do it (i mean yeah we have a "big" patch but that's not enough imo)
Also don't like it much. But I guess at least it makes sure that the players who get in GSL are in form (I realize this format brings with it the chance to miss out on top players because of an unlucky bracket with 2 top players in it but Code A has the same problem).
GSL's site has the estimated dates of all GSL tournaments this year (except GSL vs The World) by the way.
GSL S1 - January 4 to March 25 GSL Super Tournament 1 - April 6 to April 9 GSL S2 - April 19 to June 24 GSL S3 - July 5 to September 16 GSL Super Tournament 2 - September 29 to October 1
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
On December 20 2016 01:28 NinjaToss wrote: wait, are the top 8 players from last season be seeded straight to Code S and the Code S players from last season be seeded to Code A this year? or is this like a complete new season with no seeded players whatsoever?
First season of the year is a clean slate, has been done like this before, I believe both GSL 2014 S1 and 2015 S1 were complete resets.
2016 because LotV came out and 2015 because whatever.
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
probably something like INnoVation vs Zest in Code A...
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Nah in reality i want a lot of players attempting it and possibly even new players making it. That would be great
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
probably something like INnoVation vs Zest in Code A...
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Really just only 80 people? That is almost mindblowing. Why don't more people just give it a shot?!
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Really just only 80 people? That is almost mindblowing. Why don't more people just give it a shot?!
I would assume that nobody really thinks he can beat pros, add to that the general state of the korean scene and it doesn't seem to be worth it? Dunno. But yeah 80 is really low indeed :/
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Really just only 80 people? That is almost mindblowing. Why don't more people just give it a shot?!
I would assume that nobody really thinks he can beat pros, add to that the general state of the korean scene and it doesn't seem to be worth it? Dunno. But yeah 80 is really low indeed :/
If I lived in Korea and were Masters, I'd just go the for the chance to play against a big name and lose spectacularly ...
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Really just only 80 people? That is almost mindblowing. Why don't more people just give it a shot?!
I would assume that nobody really thinks he can beat pros, add to that the general state of the korean scene and it doesn't seem to be worth it? Dunno. But yeah 80 is really low indeed :/
If I lived in Korea and were Masters, I'd just go the for the chance to play against a big name and lose spectacularly ...
Yeah i would go for it as well i think, seems like fun. The interest just isn't there. I hope this changes adn we see at least a few new players.
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Really just only 80 people? That is almost mindblowing. Why don't more people just give it a shot?!
Well you have to be Masters+ and travel to the place they're holding the qualifiers in. Many people probably think that getting their ass kicked by a pro/semi-pro in the first round isn't worth the time it takes to actually get there (even though for some of us that would be a dream come true).
I mean if you live a bit away from Seoul it's not worth it to pay for the train to get 2-0'd. Also, GSL qualifiers generally happen on work days. So if you're not a pro already it's hard to have the time off to go play.
Also back in the olden days Artosis actually had the courage to sign up and play in these, that's another one missing.
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Really just only 80 people? That is almost mindblowing. Why don't more people just give it a shot?!
I would assume that nobody really thinks he can beat pros, add to that the general state of the korean scene and it doesn't seem to be worth it? Dunno. But yeah 80 is really low indeed :/
You can always get lucky too. GGanDoL made Code A off three byes and cheesing out Cella.
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Really just only 80 people? That is almost mindblowing. Why don't more people just give it a shot?!
I would assume that nobody really thinks he can beat pros, add to that the general state of the korean scene and it doesn't seem to be worth it? Dunno. But yeah 80 is really low indeed :/
I mean 80 isn't super low, there were 8 players seeded into Code S and 24 already in Code A from the previous season, so in total it was over 110. That actually is more than the signups they had for the first Code A qualifiers of 2016 where Code A was like 60 people and basically everyone with a recognizable name got into it.
On December 20 2016 03:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: I doubt there will be a different format tbh, i am already prepared to cry about some stupid exKT vs exKT situation
That's the only type of bracket I recognise as not rigged
Let's hope there will be less than 64 players attending so our boys have better chances at least
Last Code A qualifiers had like 80 sign-ups even though there were already players seeded into Code A and Code S. This time all seeds are reset. Minus retirements I think we still end up with 64+.
Granted the qualifiers will probably be seeded based on 2016 GSL results so most of them will look completely rigged to make sure all big names get through.
Really just only 80 people? That is almost mindblowing. Why don't more people just give it a shot?!
Well you have to be Masters+ and travel to the place they're holding the qualifiers in. Many people probably think that getting their ass kicked by a pro/semi-pro in the first round isn't worth the time it takes to actually get there (even though for some of us that would be a dream come true).
I mean if you live a bit away from Seoul it's not worth it to pay for the train to get 2-0'd. Also, GSL qualifiers generally happen on work days. So if you're not a pro already it's hard to have the time off to go play.
Also back in the olden days Artosis actually had the courage to sign up and play in these, that's another one missing.
Yeah, I always forget that people have these problems with working days : ) And those are probably even much worse in Korean almost-japan-level-work-crazy culture from what I have heard ...
On December 20 2016 05:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: Would be interesting to see how the code a qualifier attendance developed over the years tbh.
Minus one buff, bald German dude filming players in order to please the fans who can't be there live.
Khaldor pls
After counting: for 2016 S2, 83 people who signed up were put into the brackets for the qualifier (some no-showed/forfeited as the event went on, but I just counted "successful" sign-ups). S1 was the big qualifier where 60 Code A spots were up for grabs because the seeds got reset, so naturally it had more participants (104). For 2015 S3, 82 people were put into the brackets (so the last season of 15 and 16 were about the same).
If you go back further than that the number of successful sign-ups goes up by about 20 for seasons without seeds getting reset (2015 S2 had 98 players, 2014 S3 103).
So if this season gets something around 100 participants that's pretty good.
On December 20 2016 01:55 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't like that tbh, there is no reason to do it (i mean yeah we have a "big" patch but that's not enough imo)
Also don't like it much. But I guess at least it makes sure that the players who get in GSL are in form (I realize this format brings with it the chance to miss out on top players because of an unlucky bracket with 2 top players in it but Code A has the same problem).
GSL's site has the estimated dates of all GSL tournaments this year (except GSL vs The World) by the way.
GSL S1 - January 4 to March 25 GSL Super Tournament 1 - April 6 to April 9 GSL S2 - April 19 to June 24 GSL S3 - July 5 to September 16 GSL Super Tournament 2 - September 29 to October 1
Based on what Google Translate gives me for that page, it seems like they're doing away with Code A entirely: - Code A는 예선전으로 대체되지만, 32강으로 집중된 더 많은 정규 리그가 연간 3회 진행됩니다. which translates to - Code A will be replaced by qualifying, but more regular leagues will be held three times a year. Really bad news for the Korean scene if true. Effectively limits the size of the scene to 32 players max.
It would be really interesting to see if any B teamers or even no-name people make it. I suspect that won't be the case though. I'm afraid it'll just be all of the good players from before minus those who retired.
On December 20 2016 08:11 Zavec wrote: The super tournaments will hopefully be big though, wasn't the last one a 64 player?
64 players single elimination. It needs to be this way if there is no code A or B teamer won't play anything else than code B for the entire year.
They're 16-player tournaments.
Really? I guess every B teamer should retire then :/
Do you have a source for this ?
Their site lists pretty much all the info for 2017 GSL including the approximate dates of all tournaments. Shows the formats.
They also say that GSL vs the World will have a 120,000,000 Won prize pool so about 100,000$ but who knows how that will get distributed and who gets to play in that.
On December 16 2016 19:45 Elentos wrote: Ladder rank and score (e.g. Masters, 500 points)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
The ladder system is so confusing that they've duped even the GSL into believing ladder points actually matter and ignoring the fact that MMR is the actual skill measure.
On December 16 2016 19:45 Elentos wrote: Ladder rank and score (e.g. Masters, 500 points)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
The ladder system is so confusing that they've duped even the GSL into believing ladder points actually matter and ignoring the fact that MMR is the actual skill measure.
Sad.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but GSL asked for that same information years before MMR even got visible in-game. And to my knowledge they don't use it for anything actually important (like seeding top level players) so it really isn't much of a difference if they take MMR or ladder points.
Only 32 guys make it and everybody who doesn't make it will have nothing to play in with actual screen time. Yes there are online cups but it's just not the same. I said it before, i expect a lot of retirements the next few weeks solely based on tomorrows qualifier results.
On December 27 2016 01:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: Only 32 guys make it and everybody who doesn't make it will have nothing to play in with actual screen time. Yes there are online cups but it's just not the same. I said it before, i expect a lot of retirements the next few weeks solely based on tomorrows qualifier results.
It was pretty clear there will be lots of retirements the day Proleague disbanded. The GSL format isn't to blame for this the scene just doesn't support the current number of players anymore.
On December 27 2016 01:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: Only 32 guys make it and everybody who doesn't make it will have nothing to play in with actual screen time. Yes there are online cups but it's just not the same. I said it before, i expect a lot of retirements the next few weeks solely based on tomorrows qualifier results.
It was pretty clear there will be lots of retirements the day Proleague disbanded. The GSL format isn't to blame for this the scene just doesn't support the current number of players anymore.
Sure, but only having 32 players getting money through GSL doesn't help. It's just that the qualifier tomorrow decides if you are getting exposure or not. Ofc players will at least try it and if they don't make it i can see there being retirements rather quickly.
On December 27 2016 01:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: Only 32 guys make it and everybody who doesn't make it will have nothing to play in with actual screen time. Yes there are online cups but it's just not the same. I said it before, i expect a lot of retirements the next few weeks solely based on tomorrows qualifier results.
It was pretty clear there will be lots of retirements the day Proleague disbanded. The GSL format isn't to blame for this the scene just doesn't support the current number of players anymore.
Sure, but only having 32 players getting money through GSL doesn't help. It's just that the qualifier tomorrow decides if you are getting exposure or not. Ofc players will at least try it and if they don't make it i can see there being retirements rather quickly.
On December 27 2016 01:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: Only 32 guys make it and everybody who doesn't make it will have nothing to play in with actual screen time. Yes there are online cups but it's just not the same. I said it before, i expect a lot of retirements the next few weeks solely based on tomorrows qualifier results.
Well, I hope those people considering retirement based on the GSL qualifiers used the last few weeks in a sensible fashion and came up with alternatives to what they are currently doing. Otherwise they just wasted their own time by not retiring sooner.
On December 27 2016 05:05 klimuszko wrote: Wasn't there supposed to not be code a? Didn't they announce canceling that and doing qualifiers instead? Or did they changed their minds?
Look at the date this thread was created. Look at the date the "No Code A, just qualifiers" announcement came out.
Yes, these are not the Code A qualifiers, these are the GSL Code S qualifiers.
Notables: Group A: Dark, Myungsik, Super Group B: Solar, ChanKim, Alive Group C: Ryung, TY, Hush Group D: Ragnarok, Losira, Innovation Group E: Dear, jjakji, Gumiho Group F: TOP, Cure, Byul (barcode), Departure Group G: Byun, Pet, Trap Group H: Scarlett, Curious, Patience, Bunny (barcode)
On December 27 2016 11:51 Solar424 wrote: Notables: Group A: Dark, Myungsik, Super Group B: Solar, ChanKim, Alive Group C: Ryung, TY, Hush Group D: Ragnarok, Losira, Innovation Group E: Dear, jjakji, Gumiho Group F: TOP, Cure, Byul (barcode), Departure Group G: Byun, Pet, Trap Group H: Scarlett, Curious, Patience, Bunny (barcode)
Seems to have been walkover in the first round (1-0) Unless the 1-0 are actual game but they have been updated all at the same time, and well before anything else.
Edit:nvm about rookie they erased the 1-0 result of his game
Seems to have been walkover in the first round (1-0) Unless the 1-0 are actual game but they have been updated all at the same time, and well before anything else.
Edit:nvm about rookie they erased the 1-0 result of his game
Seems to have been walkover in the first round (1-0) Unless the 1-0 are actual game but they have been updated all at the same time, and well before anything else.
Edit:nvm about rookie they erased the 1-0 result of his game
im playing in afternoon O_O
Are you 100% on that? You might have to start runnin
Seems to have been walkover in the first round (1-0) Unless the 1-0 are actual game but they have been updated all at the same time, and well before anything else.
Edit:nvm about rookie they erased the 1-0 result of his game
Seems to have been walkover in the first round (1-0) Unless the 1-0 are actual game but they have been updated all at the same time, and well before anything else.
Edit:nvm about rookie they erased the 1-0 result of his game
Seems to have been walkover in the first round (1-0) Unless the 1-0 are actual game but they have been updated all at the same time, and well before anything else.
Edit:nvm about rookie they erased the 1-0 result of his game
im playing in afternoon O_O
Are you 100% on that? You might have to start runnin
>Hello Those who receive the e-mail should arrive at the ------(Offline Location) by 3 pm and complete the attendance check by 3:30 pm. If you do not complete the attendance check, you will be disqualified
Seems to have been walkover in the first round (1-0) Unless the 1-0 are actual game but they have been updated all at the same time, and well before anything else.
Edit:nvm about rookie they erased the 1-0 result of his game
im playing in afternoon O_O
Are you 100% on that? You might have to start runnin
>Hello Those who receive the e-mail should arrive at the ------(Offline Location) by 3 pm and complete the attendance check by 3:30 pm. If you do not complete the attendance check, you will be disqualified
well, i guess just go there when they said and show them the email. hope it works out
On December 27 2016 13:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: They really stuffed almost all the top-tier Protoss players into the afternoon. Zest, sOs, Stats, Classic and herO still to come
On December 27 2016 13:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: They really stuffed almost all the top-tier Protoss players into the afternoon. Zest, sOs, Stats, Classic and herO still to come
And I bet they're all in Scarlett's group
She beat stats the other day, so it's not impossible
On December 27 2016 13:42 SNSeigifried wrote: Lol where is the guy editing liquipedia getting the results for the loser bracket qualifying match they aren't on challonge lol
On December 27 2016 13:42 SNSeigifried wrote: Lol where is the guy editing liquipedia getting the results for the loser bracket qualifying match they aren't on challonge lol
On December 27 2016 13:42 SNSeigifried wrote: Lol where is the guy editing liquipedia getting the results for the loser bracket qualifying match they aren't on challonge lol
Trap over Pet goes to code S TY get his revenge against Hush in the deciding match Curious 2-1 Bunny, Bunny against Patience for the final spot of the morning.
On December 27 2016 14:26 Solar424 wrote: Terran seems to be doing pretty good so far with 8/16 qualifiers
All the Terrans woke up early, Maru likes to sleep in xP
Maru/Dream/Reality/KeeN all still to play but i agree that first set of qualifiers has the majority of the terrans while 2nd half will be mostly protoss from what it looks with soo/impact/leenock/true
On December 27 2016 14:37 Shellshock wrote: surprised jjakji made it
He's been playing well lately! #2 on ladder after Innovation, qualified to IEM (where he got rekt ) and made semis of that BTTV tournament. Hopefully he continues to gain traction from here.
I forsee retirements after this qualifier... Then again, many retired pros are showing up to give it a shot. It's the only StarCraft tournament in Korea, and Code A is gone.
On December 27 2016 15:43 showstealer1829 wrote: Scarlett has a bye to the semi finals. Plays either Dragon or Sorry
Easiest bracket a foreigner has ever had. Lets do this
On December 27 2016 15:42 Wolf wrote: I forsee retirements after this qualifier... Then again, many retired pros are showing up to give it a shot. It's the only StarCraft tournament in Korea, and Code A is gone.
How many are there and playing and how many signed up because they meet the requirements and got instantly walked over
I really see Scarlett making this one. Get excited :O
Also, sC spotted. Really hope he's back for real but probably not. Always thought it was tragic how he quit twice when he was in prime form due to his lung condition. This scene really needs some more Terrans too.
On December 27 2016 15:52 showstealer1829 wrote: soooooo many walkovers. Including Symbol
TT. ByuL and soO are the only great Kongs remaining
On December 27 2016 15:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I really see Scarlett making this one. Get excited :O
Also, sC spotted. Really hope he's back for real but probably not. Always thought it was tragic how he quit twice when he was in prime form due to his lung condition. This scene really needs some more Terrans too.
On December 27 2016 15:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I really see Scarlett making this one. Get excited :O
Also, sC spotted. Really hope he's back for real but probably not. Always thought it was tragic how he quit twice when he was in prime form due to his lung condition. This scene really needs some more Terrans too.
On December 27 2016 15:52 showstealer1829 wrote: soooooo many walkovers. Including Symbol
TT. ByuL and soO are the only great Kongs remaining
There's still Dream
Scarlett's bracket is the easiest, jesus. Just has to beat a KR master and Seed
On December 27 2016 15:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I really see Scarlett making this one. Get excited :O
Also, sC spotted. Really hope he's back for real but probably not. Always thought it was tragic how he quit twice when he was in prime form due to his lung condition. This scene really needs some more Terrans too.
On December 27 2016 15:52 showstealer1829 wrote: soooooo many walkovers. Including Symbol
TT. ByuL and soO are the only great Kongs remaining
There's still Dream
Scarlett's bracket is the easiest, jesus. Just has to beat a KR master and Seed
And herO.
Top 2 from each bracket, so she doesn't even have to do that
On December 27 2016 15:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I really see Scarlett making this one. Get excited :O
Also, sC spotted. Really hope he's back for real but probably not. Always thought it was tragic how he quit twice when he was in prime form due to his lung condition. This scene really needs some more Terrans too.
On December 27 2016 15:52 showstealer1829 wrote: soooooo many walkovers. Including Symbol
TT. ByuL and soO are the only great Kongs remaining
There's still Dream
Scarlett's bracket is the easiest, jesus. Just has to beat a KR master and Seed
And herO.
Top 2 from each bracket, so she doesn't even have to do that
On December 27 2016 15:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I really see Scarlett making this one. Get excited :O
Also, sC spotted. Really hope he's back for real but probably not. Always thought it was tragic how he quit twice when he was in prime form due to his lung condition. This scene really needs some more Terrans too.
Yeah i imagine most of the 'retirements' will still keep entering qualifiers for things like Code S. All you need to do is win one BO3 and you could be in Code S
On December 27 2016 14:26 Solar424 wrote: Terran seems to be doing pretty good so far with 8/16 qualifiers
All the Terrans woke up early, Maru likes to sleep in xP
Maru/Dream/Reality/KeeN all still to play but i agree that first set of qualifiers has the majority of the terrans while 2nd half will be mostly protoss from what it looks with soo/impact/leenock/true
On December 27 2016 14:26 Solar424 wrote: Terran seems to be doing pretty good so far with 8/16 qualifiers
All the Terrans woke up early, Maru likes to sleep in xP
Maru/Dream/Reality/KeeN all still to play but i agree that first set of qualifiers has the majority of the terrans while 2nd half will be mostly protoss from what it looks with soo/impact/leenock/true
Damn Reality didn't even sign up
Bravo, Reality and Journey all retired in silence.
On December 27 2016 16:30 chipmonklord17 wrote: Nightmare was a CJ or SSG trainee if I remember right. Really hope he gets in so some fresh blood comes into code S
CJ (along with Rookie).
I'm surprised Choya is playing in this, wasn't his military service just delayed for a few weeks because of an injury?
On December 27 2016 16:30 chipmonklord17 wrote: Nightmare was a CJ or SSG trainee if I remember right. Really hope he gets in so some fresh blood comes into code S
CJ (along with Rookie).
I'm surprised Choya is playing in this, wasn't his military service just delayed for a few weeks because of an injury?
Do not question the path of Choya
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On December 27 2016 16:30 chipmonklord17 wrote: Nightmare was a CJ or SSG trainee if I remember right. Really hope he gets in so some fresh blood comes into code S
CJ (along with Rookie).
I'm surprised Choya is playing in this, wasn't his military service just delayed for a few weeks because of an injury?
Until he has a match recorded I assume he just signed up for shits and giggles, along with all of the other walk overs
Honestly, it's silly that some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier opponent to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
On December 27 2016 17:04 nerpderp wrote: Honestly, it's silly that some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier player to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
With this bracket it's kinda hard to take Scarlett making Code S seriously. So I hope if qualifies she has a good performance in the main tournament too.
Also interesting to see professional Overwatch player Myungsik has made Code S.
On December 27 2016 17:04 nerpderp wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised there are so many no-shows and walkovers, considering some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier player to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
Well. Maybe they have part-time jobs or don't live in Seoul. Also, the reason that some players had to win only one bo3 is because there were so many walkovers and no-shows.
On December 27 2016 17:06 Elentos wrote: With this bracket it's kinda hard to take Scarlett making Code S seriously. So I hope if qualifies she has a good performance in the main tournament too.
Also interesting to see professional Overwatch player Myungsik has made Code S.
Yeah it's cool for her and all, but sadly Korean SC2 isn't what it was a few years ago.
Myungsik gonna be the world champ in both esports at the same time, what a guy.
On December 27 2016 17:06 Elentos wrote: With this bracket it's kinda hard to take Scarlett making Code S seriously. So I hope if qualifies she has a good performance in the main tournament too.
Also interesting to see professional Overwatch player Myungsik has made Code S.
Yeah it's cool for her and all, but sadly Korean SC2 isn't what it was a few years ago.
Myungsik gonna be the world champ in both esports at the same time, what a guy.
Myungsik's Overwatch team winning anything at all would be more impressive than Myungsik winning the GSL tbh.
On December 27 2016 17:04 nerpderp wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised there are so many no-shows and walkovers, considering some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier player to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
Well. Maybe they have part-time jobs or don't live in Seoul. Also, the reason that some players had to win only one bo3 is because there were so many walkovers and no-shows.
Foreigners have part-time jobs too, and don't live conveniently close to tournaments either. This GSL had around a FORTY PERCENT no-show rate. Remember when the community was crucifying the NA scene for tournament no-shows? This GSL qualifier takes it beyond the pale, and don't forget that Korea gets half of all the esports money that Blizzard is dedicating to Starcraft this year.
On December 27 2016 17:04 nerpderp wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised there are so many no-shows and walkovers, considering some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier player to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
Well. Maybe they have part-time jobs or don't live in Seoul. Also, the reason that some players had to win only one bo3 is because there were so many walkovers and no-shows.
Foreigners have part-time jobs too, and don't live conveniently close to tournaments either. This GSL had around a FORTY PERCENT no-show rate. Remember when the community was crucifying the NA scene for tournament no-shows? This GSL qualifier takes it beyond the pale, and don't forget that Korea gets half of all the esports money that Blizzard is dedicating to Starcraft this year.
GSL qualifiers usually have a pretty large number of no-shows. It's an unbroadcasted qualifier not a tournament, so no-shows are to be expected.
On December 27 2016 17:04 nerpderp wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised there are so many no-shows and walkovers, considering some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier player to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
Well. Maybe they have part-time jobs or don't live in Seoul. Also, the reason that some players had to win only one bo3 is because there were so many walkovers and no-shows.
Foreigners have part-time jobs too, and don't live conveniently close to tournaments either. This GSL had around a FORTY PERCENT no-show rate. Remember when the community was crucifying the NA scene for tournament no-shows? This GSL qualifier takes it beyond the pale, and don't forget that Korea gets half of all the esports money that Blizzard is dedicating to Starcraft this year.
GSL qualifiers usually have a pretty large number of no-shows. It's an unbroadcasted qualifier not a tournament, so no-shows are to be expected.
That's a fair point, but regardless, a large number of players still decided that it wasn't worth their time to show up and play potentially one or two best of 3's to pocket $2,500.
On December 27 2016 17:04 nerpderp wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised there are so many no-shows and walkovers, considering some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier player to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
Well. Maybe they have part-time jobs or don't live in Seoul. Also, the reason that some players had to win only one bo3 is because there were so many walkovers and no-shows.
Foreigners have part-time jobs too, and don't live conveniently close to tournaments either. This GSL had around a FORTY PERCENT no-show rate. Remember when the community was crucifying the NA scene for tournament no-shows? This GSL qualifier takes it beyond the pale, and don't forget that Korea gets half of all the esports money that Blizzard is dedicating to Starcraft this year.
GSL qualifiers usually have a pretty large number of no-shows. It's an unbroadcasted qualifier not a tournament, so no-shows are to be expected.
That's a fair point, but regardless, a large number of players still decided that it wasn't worth their time to show up and play potentially one or two best of 3's to pocket $2,500.
How many of them actually stood a chance though? Symbol, Departure, anyone else?
On December 27 2016 17:04 nerpderp wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised there are so many no-shows and walkovers, considering some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier player to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
Well. Maybe they have part-time jobs or don't live in Seoul. Also, the reason that some players had to win only one bo3 is because there were so many walkovers and no-shows.
Foreigners have part-time jobs too, and don't live conveniently close to tournaments either. This GSL had around a FORTY PERCENT no-show rate. Remember when the community was crucifying the NA scene for tournament no-shows? This GSL qualifier takes it beyond the pale, and don't forget that Korea gets half of all the esports money that Blizzard is dedicating to Starcraft this year.
GSL qualifiers usually have a pretty large number of no-shows. It's an unbroadcasted qualifier not a tournament, so no-shows are to be expected.
That's a fair point, but regardless, a large number of players still decided that it wasn't worth their time to show up and play potentially one or two best of 3's to pocket $2,500.
Well if they had all shown up.. it would have been three or four bo3s. And most of the no-shows were mostly semi-pros / amateurs who probably didn't fancy their chances.
On December 27 2016 17:04 nerpderp wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised there are so many no-shows and walkovers, considering some players only had to win one best-of 3 against a mid-tier player to pocket $2,500. If this happened in a foreign tournament, there would be riots.
Well. Maybe they have part-time jobs or don't live in Seoul. Also, the reason that some players had to win only one bo3 is because there were so many walkovers and no-shows.
Foreigners have part-time jobs too, and don't live conveniently close to tournaments either. This GSL had around a FORTY PERCENT no-show rate. Remember when the community was crucifying the NA scene for tournament no-shows? This GSL qualifier takes it beyond the pale, and don't forget that Korea gets half of all the esports money that Blizzard is dedicating to Starcraft this year.
GSL qualifiers usually have a pretty large number of no-shows. It's an unbroadcasted qualifier not a tournament, so no-shows are to be expected.
That's a fair point, but regardless, a large number of players still decided that it wasn't worth their time to show up and play potentially one or two best of 3's to pocket $2,500.
How many of them actually stood a chance though? Symbol, Departure, anyone else?
I'm surprised DeParture signed up at all, he hasn't played a match since like last GSL.
On December 27 2016 17:07 chipmonklord17 wrote: All it took was bracket luck and one of the best foreigners of all time to finally come together to make history
The 2010 guys technically qualified for code S too. Nobody made it through code A so nothing new under the sun.
On December 27 2016 18:33 paralleluniverse wrote: Will there be some way to watch the qualifiers? They should really release the replays or even stream it from the replays.
On December 27 2016 18:33 paralleluniverse wrote: Will there be some way to watch the qualifiers? They should really release the replays or even stream it from the replays.
Why would they? I can't imagine the players would want their replays to be available for their Code S opponents to check out. Not to mention casting this would take forever (even just half of it or only the qualifying matches).
Sooo Scarlett is the first foreigner in a StarLeague since Stephano in 2013? I wonder how far she'll manage to go, wouldn't want this to turn out to be a damp squib in the end.
so every Korean tournament allows foreigner to participate with no restrict while Korean themseft get banned from foreign tournaments. It seems legit, LOL
On December 27 2016 18:47 ParksonVN wrote: so every Korean tournament allows foreigner to participate with no restrict while Korean themseft get banned from foreign tournaments. It seems legit, LOL
Considering you have to be in Korea while the GSL runs I think it's unfair to say there's NO restrictions
On December 27 2016 18:44 ZiggyPG wrote: Sooo Scarlett is the first foreigner in a StarLeague since Stephano in 2013? I wonder how far she'll manage to go, wouldn't want this to turn out to be a damp squib in the end.
hmm, despite it feeling like Terrans have hemorrhaged the most talent over the years they finally have the majority of code S again since s2 of 2015. huh
On December 27 2016 18:44 ZiggyPG wrote: Sooo Scarlett is the first foreigner in a StarLeague since Stephano in 2013? I wonder how far she'll manage to go, wouldn't want this to turn out to be a damp squib in the end.
On December 27 2016 18:44 ZiggyPG wrote: Sooo Scarlett is the first foreigner in a StarLeague since Stephano in 2013? I wonder how far she'll manage to go, wouldn't want this to turn out to be a damp squib in the end.
On December 27 2016 18:44 ZiggyPG wrote: Sooo Scarlett is the first foreigner in a StarLeague since Stephano in 2013? I wonder how far she'll manage to go, wouldn't want this to turn out to be a damp squib in the end.
Jim and Scarlett were seeded into the RO32 of the first SSL. Dunno if the RO32 counts in SSL anyways though.
On December 27 2016 19:54 Charoisaur wrote: Don't like it that foreigners are able to take prizemoney that belongs to the KR region while koreans can't do the same in foreign tourneys.
Damages the korean scene even more... But congratz to scarlett I guess
If they really cared they could have "accidentally" seeded her into a difficult group.
On December 27 2016 18:44 ZiggyPG wrote: Sooo Scarlett is the first foreigner in a StarLeague since Stephano in 2013? I wonder how far she'll manage to go, wouldn't want this to turn out to be a damp squib in the end.
Jim and Scarlett were seeded into the RO32 of the first SSL. Dunno if the RO32 counts in SSL anyways though.
Oh, you're right, I forgot about that. They were, however, seeded and didn't have to go through any qualifiers. But I guess it still has to count as participating in a StarLeague.
On December 27 2016 19:54 Charoisaur wrote: Don't like it that foreigners are able to take prizemoney that belongs to the KR region while koreans can't do the same in foreign tourneys.
Damages the korean scene even more... But congratz to scarlett I guess
What are you talking about? They can if they want to and there are Koreans that do.
Also, Scarlett moved there and lives there now. She is completely able and entitled to be playing in KR tournaments. No need to be a prick about it - she earned this.
That said - Scarlett fighting! Excited to see a foreigner in GSL again.
On December 27 2016 18:33 paralleluniverse wrote: Will there be some way to watch the qualifiers? They should really release the replays or even stream it from the replays.
Why would they? I can't imagine the players would want their replays to be available for their Code S opponents to check out. Not to mention casting this would take forever (even just half of it or only the qualifying matches).
Because there's no Code A. They should have substituted it with the qualifiers.
On December 27 2016 19:54 Charoisaur wrote: Don't like it that foreigners are able to take prizemoney that belongs to the KR region while koreans can't do the same in foreign tourneys.
Damages the korean scene even more... But congratz to scarlett I guess
What are you talking about? They can if they want to and there are Koreans that do.
Also, Scarlett moved there and lives there now. She is completely able and entitled to be playing in KR tournaments. No need to be a prick about it - she earned this.
That said - Scarlett fighting! Excited to see a foreigner in GSL again.
Koreans need a visa to play in foreign tournaments, scarlett doesn't. It's like MC, Yoda etc playing in WCS 2014 just that it's only allowed one way.
I'm not saying she doesn't earn this but it's unfair that it's only allowed one way. The korean scene is already overpopulated if you just take the korean players, if foreigners take away some of the few spots it hurts the korean scene even more.
On December 27 2016 18:33 paralleluniverse wrote: Will there be some way to watch the qualifiers? They should really release the replays or even stream it from the replays.
Why would they? I can't imagine the players would want their replays to be available for their Code S opponents to check out. Not to mention casting this would take forever (even just half of it or only the qualifying matches).
Because there's no Code A. They should have substituted it with the qualifiers.
You know, one of the reasons to cut Code A would have been to save money in as many ways as they can. If they're going to broadcast 32+ qualifying best of 3 matches they might as well have kept Code A.
On December 27 2016 19:54 Charoisaur wrote: Don't like it that foreigners are able to take prizemoney that belongs to the KR region while koreans can't do the same in foreign tourneys.
Damages the korean scene even more... But congratz to scarlett I guess
What are you talking about? They can if they want to and there are Koreans that do.
Also, Scarlett moved there and lives there now. She is completely able and entitled to be playing in KR tournaments. No need to be a prick about it - she earned this.
That said - Scarlett fighting! Excited to see a foreigner in GSL again.
Koreans need a visa to play in foreign tournaments, scarlett doesn't. It's like MC, Yoda etc playing in WCS 2014 just that it's only allowed one way.
I'm not saying she doesn't earn this but it's unfair that it's only allowed one way. The korean scene is already overpopulated if you just take the korean players, if foreigners take away some of the few spots it hurts the korean scene even more.
Scarlett was one foreigner to qualify out of 32 spots.
If there was no visa requirement and koreans can just go to europe or america to play and win money, i daresay they could take up 50% or more of the 32 spots.
On December 28 2016 00:39 Ansibled wrote: Since WCS is region locked, GSL should be too I think.
Although in practice it isn't as much of an issue because of differences in structure.
If you can get a visa and move to a foreign country, you can play WCS. If you can get a visa to live in Korea, you can participate in GSL. It's not that much different.
On December 28 2016 00:39 Ansibled wrote: Since WCS is region locked, GSL should be too I think.
Although in practice it isn't as much of an issue because of differences in structure.
If you can get a visa and move to a foreign country, you can play WCS. If you can get a visa to live in Korea, you can participate in GSL. It's not that much different.
I've never heard of a WCS player who wanted to play in GSL but had to miss out most of the year because it took him 9 months to get a visa that allows him to stay in Korea long enough to play GSL.
On the other hand, I have heard of TRUE.
The point being, it's so much more difficult for a Korean to be allowed to play WCS than a non-Korean to be allowed to play GSL.
On December 28 2016 00:39 Ansibled wrote: Since WCS is region locked, GSL should be too I think.
Although in practice it isn't as much of an issue because of differences in structure.
If you can get a visa and move to a foreign country, you can play WCS. If you can get a visa to live in Korea, you can participate in GSL. It's not that much different.
I've never heard of a WCS player who wanted to play in GSL but had to miss out most of the year because it took him 9 months to get a visa that allows him to stay in Korea long enough to play GSL.
On the other hand, I have heard of TRUE.
The point being, it's so much more difficult for a Korean to be allowed to play WCS than a non-Korean to be allowed to play GSL.
I think part of the reason Neeb went back to the USA was because he couldn't overstay his visa, hence why he's not in this GSL. I could be wrong on that though.
On December 28 2016 00:39 Ansibled wrote: Since WCS is region locked, GSL should be too I think.
Although in practice it isn't as much of an issue because of differences in structure.
If you can get a visa and move to a foreign country, you can play WCS. If you can get a visa to live in Korea, you can participate in GSL. It's not that much different.
You don't need a work visa you can just fly out and in every 3 months, something like this anyway. WCS requries an actual work visa, right?
On December 28 2016 00:39 Ansibled wrote: Since WCS is region locked, GSL should be too I think.
Although in practice it isn't as much of an issue because of differences in structure.
If you can get a visa and move to a foreign country, you can play WCS. If you can get a visa to live in Korea, you can participate in GSL. It's not that much different.
You don't need a work visa you can just fly out and in every 3 months, something like this anyway. WCS requries an actual work visa, right?
As far as I know its impossible to get a athlete visa for esports here though (and theres no korean teams left that i could join to help for a korean work visa; not that they would have let me)
On December 27 2016 19:54 Charoisaur wrote: Don't like it that foreigners are able to take prizemoney that belongs to the KR region while koreans can't do the same in foreign tourneys.
Damages the korean scene even more... But congratz to scarlett I guess
What are you talking about? They can if they want to and there are Koreans that do.
Also, Scarlett moved there and lives there now. She is completely able and entitled to be playing in KR tournaments. No need to be a prick about it - she earned this.
That said - Scarlett fighting! Excited to see a foreigner in GSL again.
Koreans need a visa to play in foreign tournaments, scarlett doesn't. It's like MC, Yoda etc playing in WCS 2014 just that it's only allowed one way.
I'm not saying she doesn't earn this but it's unfair that it's only allowed one way. The korean scene is already overpopulated if you just take the korean players, if foreigners take away some of the few spots it hurts the korean scene even more.
Scarlett was one foreigner to qualify out of 32 spots.
If there was no visa requirement and koreans can just go to europe or america to play and win money, i daresay they could take up 50% or more of the 32 spots.
So that doesn't hurt the foreigner scene??
That's my point , it would hurt the foreign scene just as scarlett qualifying hurts the KR scene. It's just 1 spot so it's not as bad of course but it's still notable especially if Seed is forced to retire now.
On December 27 2016 19:54 Charoisaur wrote: Don't like it that foreigners are able to take prizemoney that belongs to the KR region while koreans can't do the same in foreign tourneys.
Damages the korean scene even more... But congratz to scarlett I guess
What are you talking about? They can if they want to and there are Koreans that do.
Also, Scarlett moved there and lives there now. She is completely able and entitled to be playing in KR tournaments. No need to be a prick about it - she earned this.
That said - Scarlett fighting! Excited to see a foreigner in GSL again.
Koreans need a visa to play in foreign tournaments, scarlett doesn't. It's like MC, Yoda etc playing in WCS 2014 just that it's only allowed one way.
I'm not saying she doesn't earn this but it's unfair that it's only allowed one way. The korean scene is already overpopulated if you just take the korean players, if foreigners take away some of the few spots it hurts the korean scene even more.
Scarlett was one foreigner to qualify out of 32 spots.
If there was no visa requirement and koreans can just go to europe or america to play and win money, i daresay they could take up 50% or more of the 32 spots.
So that doesn't hurt the foreigner scene??
That's my point , it would hurt the foreign scene just as scarlett qualifying hurts the KR scene. It's just 1 spot so it's not as bad of course but it's still notable especially if Seed is forced to retire now.
Seed just joined a team he plans to stay on until he goes to the military.
EPT
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