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Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system. | ||
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-IAEVAI-KolosS
Canada60 Posts
On October 20 2016 00:34 Rollora wrote: The other girl seems way more professional when it comes to casting. User was temp banned for this post. I will only promote the only positive part of your post saying that ZombieGrub is very good at casting and very knowledgeable at SCII. She's fairly high level and her stream is awesome. | ||
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Ve5pa
United Kingdom252 Posts
On October 20 2016 00:41 ProMeTheus112 wrote: I remember, when SC2 was coming out (or before it came out), TL was doing something where if you preordered the game through their link they would get a bonus or something. At this moment I thought, that's unfortunate, the main community site has tied its interest to the profits of Blizzard. And to me, it kind of explains the somewhat aggressive behavior towards some kinds of criticism. That was kind of my point to be honest, a community is only as strong as it's members, and whilst we are all hurting and are going to miss Proleague a lot, thier are clearly some events that have led up the fall in viewership and sponsors losing interest. Stopping people from addressing those issues just seems daft to me. Obviously some people are gonna take it too far and just mega troll, and those people should be dealt with. But the vast majority can discuss things in a sensible manner, after all this is TL, not Reddit. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:08 SC2Toastie wrote: Good job foreigners, your whining for free money and easy 'competition' killed the one scene that rules them all. Awesome. Not this again | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On October 19 2016 23:57 aQuaSC wrote: I hope you are including those that would watch an SC2 match only when they are sure that a pureblood Korean is playing Haven't seen any of that. All I care about is game quality, that's why I've been here since the BW days and I know for a fact there's many others who feel the same way. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:02 Ve5pa wrote: But the vast majority can discuss things in a sensible manner, after all this is TL, not Reddit. sc2 dead game WCS system is shit. David Kim should have been fired a long time ago. if that's sensible manner for you I'm not sure what you'd call unsensible | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:24 207aicila wrote: Haven't seen any of that. All I care about is game quality, that's why I've been here since the BW days and I know for a fact there's many others who feel the same way. I've read a ton of that attitude, on TL mostly | ||
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Ve5pa
United Kingdom252 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:31 Charoisaur wrote: if that's sensible manner for you I'm not sure what you'd call unsensible That's the irony of it all, banning people from addressing these issue just makes them troll more, I wonder how many people have been warned or received bans in this thread. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:32 aQuaSC wrote: I've read a ton of that attitude, on TL mostly I don't think anyone has a problem watching foreigners play that actually are on the same level as koreans like Naniwa, Stephano, Idra back in the day or later Snute. people have a problem watching tournaments which the best players are excluded from. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:32 Ve5pa wrote: That's the irony of it all, banning people from addressing these issue just makes them troll more, I wonder how many people have been warned or received bans in this thread. Completely rightfully so. and a banned person isn't able to troll more. | ||
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buchh
38 Posts
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My_Fake_Plastic_Luv
United States257 Posts
On October 19 2016 13:09 -NegativeZero- wrote: yep this is a pervasive problem with esports. you make a casual yet still competitive game that appeals to a huge amount of people (see: mobas, hearthstone)? great, you've got a good, successful game with a big player base, so now people want to play it competitively... except the pros are still playing a casual game with a comparatively low skill ceiling. some people are ok with this, but i just can't get into these pro scenes, not after i've seen what pro starcraft players are capable of. the "hardcore" games with a higher skill cap that allow for extremely high level competitive play (see: rts, arena fps, etc)? well they're hard as shit, nobody wants to play them, so there's no player base and no investment into the pro scene, even though they might make for objectively "better" esports. brood war solved this problem with the UMS mode, where the casuals were literally playing a completely different game than the pros. but imo even if sc2 hadn't fucked up the custom game section at the beginning, the desire for these types of minigames just isn't as high as it used to. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. The threshold for actually getting into the game as a new player is incredibly high, but at the same time, it would be awesome to have an extremely high skill cap. The thing is: Blizzard tried to increase the skill cap by making units more complicated, making the game more volatile. I think in the best world they would have increased the skill cap by doing things like increasing the size and amount of area a player needs to control in the late game,,,,increases in scale rather than complexity. It reminds me of football (soccer) in a way. Any little kid can go out and kick a soccer ball (or any little gamer can go kill minions in LOL or Dota if you will). Any group of kids can set up some goals and start a game. Then as the kid gets better the scale of the game increases, rather than the basic concept of the game. Blizzard never gave platform for new players to relate to and have fun with the game, before having players step into the competitive aspects of the game. The whole design of SC2 was based on complexity in the first place, which means 1) its not particularly fun to learn 2) it's not particularly fun to watch if you haven't learned it. I think the problem in general is that the entry way into SC2 was BW, rather than a fun, easy concept. Most balance discussion I feel is rather beside the fact. | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:32 Ve5pa wrote: That's the irony of it all, banning people from addressing these issue just makes them troll more, I wonder how many people have been warned or received bans in this thread. "Fire David Kim" and variations thereof is in no way "addressing the issue". It's entitled childish bullshit. Scapegoating a public face of the project doesn't help anything and just reduces the actual issue to tabloid level debate. I agree that TL is somehow overly sensitive about Blizzard criticism, but anyone shouting negative things about DK (or previously Dustin Browder) is just begging to not be taken seriously. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:44 skatblast wrote: so i guess blizzcon is going to be the last hurrah. Glad i get to be in attendance as last year was really exciting to see live. Well GSL will still be going next year, and we don't know what changes to WCS will happen. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On October 20 2016 01:44 opisska wrote: "Fire David Kim" and variations thereof is in no way "addressing the issue". It's entitled childish bullshit. Scapegoating a public face of the project doesn't help anything and just reduces the actual issue to tabloid level debate. I agree that TL is somehow overly sensitive about Blizzard criticism, but anyone shouting negative things about DK (or previously Dustin Browder) is just begging to not be taken seriously. what if it is simply true though... (that the problem comes from these), I know I think so... for sure, stuff like terrible terrible damage, can't you see what it means and how that's exactly the problem? people just don't love the game itself that much because of this stuff, I read it all the time (and thats why I don't play it too, believe me I would if I thought it was great) | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On October 20 2016 02:12 ProMeTheus112 wrote: what if it is simply true though... (that the problem comes from these), I know I think so... for sure, stuff like terrible terrible damage, can't you see what it means and how that's exactly the problem? people just don't love the game itself that much because of this stuff, I read it all the time (and thats why I don't play it too, believe me I would if I thought it was great) Part of the issue is the fact that many supporters of this game don't play it at all. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
But I still don't think that it is Blizzards duty to invest more into the scene. SC2 is dying, they made their money and lots of people were entertained over the past years. There is no real reason for them to keep supporting the (competitive) scene. | ||
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Ve5pa
United Kingdom252 Posts
On October 20 2016 02:21 aQuaSC wrote: Part of the issue is the fact that many supporters of this game don't play it at all. In what way is this an issue with regards this topic? The issue is that in KR viewership has fallen and therefore sponsors aren't interested and therefore Proleague is financially not viable. Their are underlying factors as to why viewers aren't watching as much anymore but that is the debate which is being stifled, and some are just disregarding that request and are shit-posting stuff like 'fire David Kim'. Which in turn leads to bans and further reduction in the community. We are all here because we like Starcraft, let's not forget that. | ||
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