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Funny and perfect irony: Everybody without a team right now but ByuN got a team! Karma I guess...
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That is pretty much why I've been bitching non-stop about WCS lockign.
Won't say more than that (to respect spirit of the thread), but yes, there's a REASON why WCS region locking is so bad. Terrible, terrible.
I want to see more Koreans playing Starcraft and now one of the best tournaments in the game is offline.
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On October 19 2016 21:39 Thouhastmail wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 21:18 JackONeill wrote:
At least, DK will be less able to use the magic hat "koreans said so" for design choices. I don't mean to blame aimlessely, but this is completely on DK and blizz's head.
Best op so far
All this blame on Blizzard is hilarious and sadly misguided. They kept Korea alive for years, and now they're being blamed for killing it. Who do you think paid for all those GSLs? A tiny energy drink brand that hardly exists outside Korea?
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On October 19 2016 22:56 Incognoto wrote:That is pretty much why I've been bitching non-stop about WCS lockign. Won't say more than that (to respect spirit of the thread), but yes, there's a REASON why WCS region locking is so bad. Terrible, terrible. I want to see more Koreans playing Starcraft and now one of the best tournaments in the game is offline.
But the problem was that without any establishment of infrastructure or region locked leagues, the Koreans were slowly suffocating the foreign scene because of the difficulty of making a living.
I'm not saying total region locking was the answer, but tournaments and viewership was going down, and I don't think balance or design was the full reason.
I do hope that in light of this news Blizzard opens up the tournaments while still keeping the core WCS as is and continues to support the Korean scene.
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On October 19 2016 23:36 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 22:56 Incognoto wrote:On October 19 2016 22:50 opisska wrote:On October 19 2016 22:18 aQuaSC wrote:On October 19 2016 22:16 opisska wrote:On October 19 2016 22:11 aQuaSC wrote:On October 19 2016 22:01 Spectreman wrote:
Why people like Day9, Artosis or Totalbiscuit did not commented anything? You look at your Twitter and is like just another day. TB commented on screddit, Day9 doubtfully has anything to do with SC2 anymore, and with others... we will find out sometime soon I guess TB is one of the few people whose opinion is actually interesting, care to share a link? That's his initial comment on the matter https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/581cnr/5_kespa_teams_have_disbanded/d8woogp Thanks. Led me also to this post that I liked: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/583t7w/want_to_do_something_for_korean_sc2_help/d8y5loqIt´s about Korean players wanting to play abroad and being denied it. "Imagine after all that, you get told 'we don't want you anymore'. Heartbreaking." Interesting angle. That is pretty much why I've been bitching non-stop about WCS lockign. Won't say more than that (to respect spirit of the thread), but yes, there's a REASON why WCS region locking is so bad. Terrible, terrible. I want to see more Koreans playing Starcraft and now one of the best tournaments in the game is offline. But the problem was that without any establishment of infrastructure or region locked leagues, the Koreans were slowly suffocating the foreign scene because of the difficulty of making a living.
It's only a problem to those who watch the competition for reasons other than the competition itself. The best players should win, and many of us are here to watch just that.
Frankly I could do without those nationalistic pricks in the community thank you very much, or the people who see one stupid cringy tweet and circlejerk about how StarCraft needs more trash talk and fabricated half-baked drama between people who aren't even at the top of the food chain to begin with.
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On October 19 2016 23:51 207aicila wrote:
Frankly I could do without those nationalistic pricks in the community thank you very much
I hope you are including those that would watch an SC2 match only when they are sure that a pureblood Korean is playing
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GSTL if you come back, please use your old format ! Kespa format was meh. Or do 3 normal 1 archon ! Though Sc2 seems to turn into a personal sponsorship game without teams anyway.
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sc2 dead game
WCS system is shit.
David Kim should have been fired a long time ago.
User was warned for this post
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On October 19 2016 23:35 Heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 21:39 Thouhastmail wrote:On October 19 2016 21:18 JackONeill wrote:
At least, DK will be less able to use the magic hat "koreans said so" for design choices. I don't mean to blame aimlessely, but this is completely on DK and blizz's head.
Best op so far All this blame on Blizzard is hilarious and sadly misguided. They kept Korea alive for years, and now they're being blamed for killing it. Who do you think paid for all those GSLs? A tiny energy drink brand that hardly exists outside Korea? Your logic implies that either:
A) BW was also secretly sponsored by Blizzard, otherwise how could it go on so many years? Or
B) SC2 only temporaruly succeeded thanks to Blizzard's sponsorship, and not because the game was actually more fun in previous expansions.
I wouldn't use it as an argument 
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On October 19 2016 12:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 12:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
by attrition the importance of TotalBiscuit and BaseTradeTV increases in 2017 Mhm that was the first thing rifkin posted as well, what a nice guy he is.
I think the amount of attention he gets is rather shocking. He covers a lot of cool tourneys, which is nice. But the way he casts, creates content, deals with his viewers and voices his (sometimes shockingly naive) opinion on things is something I can barely watch. I would rather watch hours of tastosis explaining each other how star wars robots make anal sex work (or whatever weird stuff they come up with) then whatever rifkin thinks is a smart thought and says it out. The other girl seems way more professional when it comes to casting. Focuses way more on the game and brings insight however. Hope she has a bright future. I guess she is actually the reason Basetrade is a success. Not because she seems to know stuff, but also increases the channels "aesthetics" (which for sure some will find anti-feminist, or sexist or whatever, but it is the truth. Go ahead and ban me for saying it).
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 20 2016 00:22 Vandeam wrote:
sc2 dead game
WCS system is shit.
David Kim should have been fired a long time ago.
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On October 20 2016 00:34 Ve5pa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 00:22 Vandeam wrote:
sc2 dead game
WCS system is shit.
David Kim should have been fired a long time ago.
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On October 20 2016 00:34 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 12:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2016 12:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
by attrition the importance of TotalBiscuit and BaseTradeTV increases in 2017 Mhm that was the first thing rifkin posted as well, what a nice guy he is. I think the amount of attention he gets is rather shocking. He covers a lot of cool tourneys, which is nice. But the way he casts, creates content, deals with his viewers and voices his (sometimes shockingly naive) opinion on things is something I can barely watch. I would rather watch hours of tastosis explaining each other how star wars robots make anal sex work (or whatever weird stuff they come up with) then whatever rifkin thinks is a smart thought and says it out. The other girl seems way more professional when it comes to casting. Focuses way more on the game and brings insight however. Hope she has a bright future. I guess she is actually the reason Basetrade is a success. Not because she seems to know stuff, but also increases the channels "aesthetics" (which for sure some will find anti-feminist, or sexist or whatever, but it is the truth. Go ahead and ban me for saying it).
I personally dislike Rifkin too, if I watch something casted on BaseTrade channel it's usually on mute. His taste and sense of humor is too much for me to handle
EDIT: omg am I going to get banned? D:
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On October 20 2016 00:34 Ve5pa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2016 00:22 Vandeam wrote:
sc2 dead game
WCS system is shit.
David Kim should have been fired a long time ago.
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I remember, when SC2 was coming out (or before it came out), TL was doing something where if you preordered the game through their link they would get a bonus or something. At this moment I thought, that's unfortunate, the main community site has tied its interest to the profits of Blizzard. And to me, it kind of explains the somewhat aggressive behavior towards some kinds of criticism.
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tied its interest to the profits of Blizzard. Just how picky can someone be.
Also, the rant of Vandeam was really off topic, negative, and meaningless. It was actually childish to just write the exact things that are forbidden as in the note on top.
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I was expecting some statements by Blizzard and related by today.
The silence is deafening.
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On October 20 2016 00:49 Jj_82 wrote:Just how picky can someone be. Also, the rant of Vandeam was really off topic, negative, and meaningless. It was actually childish to just write the exact things that are forbidden as in the note on top.
but at the same time, the note is pretty on point on what you'd expect people would say are some of the causes for what is happening.
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On October 19 2016 23:35 Heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 21:39 Thouhastmail wrote:On October 19 2016 21:18 JackONeill wrote:
At least, DK will be less able to use the magic hat "koreans said so" for design choices. I don't mean to blame aimlessely, but this is completely on DK and blizz's head.
Best op so far All this blame on Blizzard is hilarious and sadly misguided. They kept Korea alive for years, and now they're being blamed for killing it. Who do you think paid for all those GSLs? A tiny energy drink brand that hardly exists outside Korea?
Sure, why not? Blizzard deserves all that patronising attitude, because pouring tons money in lieu of making the game better justifies dismissing all the feedback from its customers.
Besides, that "tiny brand" is the nation's sixth-largest conglomerate.
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