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Austria24422 Posts
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Perfect balance!
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wouldn't be surprised if all pet did were 2 base ling allins
literally the only thing i saw him do at the gsl/ssl offline qualifiers
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sOs out? this made my day *-*
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On September 13 2016 18:53 GTR wrote:
wouldn't be surprised if all pet did were 2 base ling allins
literally the only thing i saw him do at the gsl/ssl offline qualifiers
He only played ZvZ so I'm not sure he ever built a second base.
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no more Dark till blizzcon 
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On September 13 2016 18:56 Pandemona wrote:Rip defending champion  sOs no blizzcon for you this year
sOs just doesn't qualify for Blizzcon in even numbered years.
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What a seriously shit year Inno has had though.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On September 13 2016 18:58 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 18:56 Pandemona wrote:Rip defending champion sOs no blizzcon for you this year sOs just doesn't qualify for Blizzcon in even numbered years.
Plus prize pool not high enough for him? :3
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On September 13 2016 18:56 Pandemona wrote:Rip defending champion sOs no blizzcon for you this year
Meh he took a break this year. He wanted to give Ryung a chance.
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On September 13 2016 18:59 Phredxor wrote:
What a seriously shit year Inno has had though.
And then to make it worse he started playing mech against Protoss.
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On September 13 2016 19:06 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 18:59 Phredxor wrote:
What a seriously shit year Inno has had though. And then to make it worse he started playing meh against Protoss.
He was playing meh against anyone this year ...
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On September 13 2016 19:10 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 19:06 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 18:59 Phredxor wrote:
What a seriously shit year Inno has had though. And then to make it worse he started playing meh against Protoss. He was playing meh against anyone this year ...
I'm not impressed but at least you tried.
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On September 13 2016 19:12 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 19:10 Diabolique wrote:On September 13 2016 19:06 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 18:59 Phredxor wrote:
What a seriously shit year Inno has had though. And then to make it worse he started playing meh against Protoss. He was playing meh against anyone this year ... I'm not impressed but at least you tried.
:-)
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So the only way for Dear to not make Blizzcon is to have both Classic and Patience in the finals right? I hope bracket luck will help him there.
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On September 13 2016 19:16 Colouss wrote:
So the only way for Dear to not make Blizzcon is to have both Classic and Patience in the finals right? I hope bracket luck will help him there.
Yeah that's right. It's not very likely Dear drops out.
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On September 13 2016 18:55 ShAd_1337 wrote:no more Dark till blizzcon
there's still cross finals
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
sos probably wants 200k from wesg instead
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On September 13 2016 19:32 lichter wrote:
sos probably wants 200k from wesg instead
Why not both?
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On September 13 2016 19:32 lichter wrote:
sos probably wants 200k from wesg instead
The cross finals are also well paid, aren't they?
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On September 13 2016 19:34 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 19:32 lichter wrote:
sos probably wants 200k from wesg instead The cross finals are also well paid, aren't they?
Like 18k for first I think. Not enough to get sOs motivated.
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On September 13 2016 19:35 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 19:34 Diabolique wrote:On September 13 2016 19:32 lichter wrote:
sos probably wants 200k from wesg instead The cross finals are also well paid, aren't they? Like 18k for first I think. Not enough to get sOs motivated.
Is it enough to get him out of bed?
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On September 13 2016 19:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 19:35 Phredxor wrote:On September 13 2016 19:34 Diabolique wrote:On September 13 2016 19:32 lichter wrote:
sos probably wants 200k from wesg instead The cross finals are also well paid, aren't they? Like 18k for first I think. Not enough to get sOs motivated. Is it enough to get him out of bed?
You would need to add a breakfast. Then maybe.
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rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!!
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On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!!
Doesn't seem disgusting to me at all really. He only has one good result all year, a GSL top 2. In no year would this have been enough to make Blizzcon. Yes, in the past sOs relied on foreign tournaments to get the points needed, but that's not the world we live in anymore. Every other Korean who makes Blizzcon this year managed to get the points, too.
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Any VODs of this somewhere?
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On September 13 2016 21:01 10bulgares wrote:
Any VODs of this somewhere?
No, nothing was streamed.
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So it's gonna be 6 Korean Protosses, 3 Terrans and 3 Zergs? Not terrible!
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That's sad. I think, I won't watch Blizzcon this year. I didn't watch the SSL-finals either. No gamers, I liked, advanced.
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What would be needed for herO to make it?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 13 2016 18:53 GTR wrote:
wouldn't be surprised if all pet did were 2 base ling allins
literally the only thing i saw him do at the gsl/ssl offline qualifiers
When all you have is a hammer
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On September 13 2016 21:52 WGT-Baal wrote:
What would be needed for herO to make it?
He has to win and Classic and Patience need to go out in the Ro16 (Patience could make Ro8 also but no further than that).
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On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!!
This will be the most important post in this thread.
KR players should have minimum 10 players and Foriengers max of 6 players. This would be the ideal for my 2 cents as it still helps 'foster' the foreign scene , while keeping more of the best players in the world (KR players) included.
The current 50/50 split is just insulting to the best players in the world and those who want to watch these players in the most lucrative competitions.
Hopefully this will change for next year.
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On September 13 2016 22:03 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! This will be the most important post in this thread. KR players should have minimum 12 players and Foriengers max of 6 players. This would would be the ideal for my 2 cents as it still helps 'foster' the foreign scene , while keeping more of the best players in the world (KR players) included. The current 50/50 split is just insulting to the best players in the world and those who want to watch these players in the most lucrative competitions. Hopefully this will change for next year.
12 and 6 does not add up to 16. And if you restrict it to 12 Korea, 4 WCS, one of those WCS spots will always go to a Korean as long as Polt is active.
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On September 13 2016 21:57 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 21:52 WGT-Baal wrote:
What would be needed for herO to make it? He has to win and Classic and Patience need to go out in the Ro16 (Patience could make Ro8 also but no further than that).
Thx! That sounds pretty unlikely, but again it s CJ s specialty to advance in these situations
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On September 13 2016 22:03 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 22:03 Parcelleus wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! This will be the most important post in this thread. KR players should have minimum 12 players and Foriengers max of 6 players. This would would be the ideal for my 2 cents as it still helps 'foster' the foreign scene , while keeping more of the best players in the world (KR players) included. The current 50/50 split is just insulting to the best players in the world and those who want to watch these players in the most lucrative competitions. Hopefully this will change for next year. 12 and 6 does not add up to 16.
10 and 6. My god, maths police. : )
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On September 13 2016 18:59 Phredxor wrote:
What a seriously shit year Inno has had though.
doesn't matter, he probably made more money from TBs SHOUTCract than most of KR pros in a year
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People, Blizzcon will be more stacked that ever before. Yes its insulting to have 8 foreigners but think about it. Ro16 is played a week before Blizzcon and only 8/16 players actually go to the big stage. This means its likely the 8 korean players will be the ones to advance. Aka blizzcon itself will be the best 8 players in Korea. Remember ro16 each foreigner is matched with a Korean
Compared to previous years where half of BlizzCon was average Koreans that scored points in NA/EU, and half were legit top players from Korea. We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
Plus we get to see Nerchio and Showtime get bopped in ro16, thats something to look forward to.
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On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark
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On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
People, Blizzcon will be more stacked that ever before. Yes its insulting to have 8 foreigners but think about it. Ro16 is played a week before Blizzcon and only 8/16 players actually go to the big stage. This means its likely the 8 korean players will be the ones to advance. Aka blizzcon itself will be the best 8 players in Korea. Remember ro16 each foreigner is matched with a Korean
Compared to previous years where half of BlizzCon was average Koreans that scored points in NA/EU, and half were legit top players from Korea. We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
Plus we get to see Nerchio and Showtime get bopped in ro16, thats something to look forward to.
I think a few foreigner upsets are possible. 1 or 2 may advance. I hope they don't tho, because they'll use that as a tool to keep pushing the region lock.
haha just read your last sentence again. What's wrong with Showtime?
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On September 13 2016 22:49 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark
-MMA at the time..... He had nothing in 2014 on Life, Classic, Inno, or Zest. He got to blizzcon finals by facing guys like Bomber and Polt
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On September 13 2016 22:52 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
People, Blizzcon will be more stacked that ever before. Yes its insulting to have 8 foreigners but think about it. Ro16 is played a week before Blizzcon and only 8/16 players actually go to the big stage. This means its likely the 8 korean players will be the ones to advance. Aka blizzcon itself will be the best 8 players in Korea. Remember ro16 each foreigner is matched with a Korean
Compared to previous years where half of BlizzCon was average Koreans that scored points in NA/EU, and half were legit top players from Korea. We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
Plus we get to see Nerchio and Showtime get bopped in ro16, thats something to look forward to. I think a few foreigner upsets are possible. 1 or 2 may advance. I hope they don't tho, because they'll use that as a tool to keep pushing the region lock. haha just read your last sentence again. What's wrong with Showtime?
Nothing wrong with Showtime I jist like seeing foreigners hyped up to beat Koreans and then crushed. Honestly the only upset hopes are Neeb and Snute, maybe against Patience or Dear they have a decent chance at ro8
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Sos and a bunch of top top tier Korean players do not get to the world championship.
Meanwhile Neeb and Showtime do.
I would be laughing if it weren't so fucking sad.
On September 13 2016 20:45 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! Doesn't seem disgusting to me at all really. He only has one good result all year, a GSL top 2. In no year would this have been enough to make Blizzcon. Yes, in the past sOs relied on foreign tournaments to get the points needed, but that's not the world we live in anymore. Every other Korean who makes Blizzcon this year managed to get the points, too.
Aceplayer of the ProLeague champs is kinda decent performance I guess?
On September 13 2016 22:03 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 22:03 Parcelleus wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! This will be the most important post in this thread. KR players should have minimum 12 players and Foriengers max of 6 players. This would would be the ideal for my 2 cents as it still helps 'foster' the foreign scene , while keeping more of the best players in the world (KR players) included. The current 50/50 split is just insulting to the best players in the world and those who want to watch these players in the most lucrative competitions. Hopefully this will change for next year. 12 and 6 does not add up to 16. And if you restrict it to 12 Korea, 4 WCS, one of those WCS spots will always go to a Korean as long as Polt is active.
Then maybe, just maybe, they don't deserve the spot at the world championship (read: best players in the world) if they need to be spoonfed so many spots and still can't really do it?
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On September 13 2016 23:00 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 22:49 Charoisaur wrote:On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark -MMA at the time..... He had nothing in 2014 on Life, Classic, Inno, or Zest. He got to blizzcon finals by facing guys like Bomber and Polt
He defeated Classic 3-1 in the semis of that Blizzcon.
He went in the Ro4 in the first GSL of 2015, one of the most stacked GSLs ever.
You are pure baiting.
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On September 13 2016 23:02 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 20:45 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! Doesn't seem disgusting to me at all really. He only has one good result all year, a GSL top 2. In no year would this have been enough to make Blizzcon. Yes, in the past sOs relied on foreign tournaments to get the points needed, but that's not the world we live in anymore. Every other Korean who makes Blizzcon this year managed to get the points, too. Aceplayer of the ProLeague champs is kinda decent performance I guess?
Proleague is not a WCS tournament, it doesn't matter in this context. And he wasn't even the best player for his team.
People just assume sOs would have made Blizzcon for sure without the WCS changes but with his form this year I don't think he would have even with the system from last year.
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damn was hoping sOs would still somehow make it
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On September 13 2016 23:08 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 23:00 Fango wrote:On September 13 2016 22:49 Charoisaur wrote:On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark -MMA at the time..... He had nothing in 2014 on Life, Classic, Inno, or Zest. He got to blizzcon finals by facing guys like Bomber and Polt He defeated Classic 3-1 in the semis of that Blizzcon. He went in the Ro4 in the first GSL of 2015, one of the most stacked GSLs ever. You are pure baiting.
Mma is a fave of mine but he was not a top player at the time. His ONLY notable performance in 2014 was ONE SERIES against Classic. He got to Blizzcon based of winning WCS america and Dream hack against average Koreans at the most, then he got to the finals beating Polt, Bomber etc
I know you love old wcs but he didn't deserve a Blizzcon finals over Zest, Inno, etc when they were winning GSLs. The new WCS, while bad overall, means we get a better Blizzcon with no Korean dropouts getting out of ro16.
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On September 13 2016 23:30 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 23:08 Clonester wrote:On September 13 2016 23:00 Fango wrote:On September 13 2016 22:49 Charoisaur wrote:On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark -MMA at the time..... He had nothing in 2014 on Life, Classic, Inno, or Zest. He got to blizzcon finals by facing guys like Bomber and Polt He defeated Classic 3-1 in the semis of that Blizzcon. He went in the Ro4 in the first GSL of 2015, one of the most stacked GSLs ever. You are pure baiting. Mma is a fave of mine but he was not a top player at the time. His ONLY notable performance in 2014 was ONE SERIES against Classic. He got to Blizzcon based of winning WCS america and Dream hack against average Koreans at the most, then he got to the finals beating Polt, Bomber etc I know you love old wcs but he didn't deserve a Blizzcon finals over Zest, Inno, etc when they were winning GSLs. The new WCS, while bad overall, means we get a better Blizzcon with no Korean dropouts getting out of ro16.
Bomber and Polt were still top tier TvT players. Bomber 4-0'd a GSL semifinalist 2 months before Blizzcon. Those are by no means easy or unnotable matches. And he didn't even play Polt at Blizzcon.
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On September 13 2016 23:30 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 23:08 Clonester wrote:On September 13 2016 23:00 Fango wrote:On September 13 2016 22:49 Charoisaur wrote:On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark -MMA at the time..... He had nothing in 2014 on Life, Classic, Inno, or Zest. He got to blizzcon finals by facing guys like Bomber and Polt He defeated Classic 3-1 in the semis of that Blizzcon. He went in the Ro4 in the first GSL of 2015, one of the most stacked GSLs ever. You are pure baiting. Mma is a fave of mine but he was not a top player at the time. His ONLY notable performance in 2014 was ONE SERIES against Classic. He got to Blizzcon based of winning WCS america and Dream hack against average Koreans at the most, then he got to the finals beating Polt, Bomber etc I know you love old wcs but he didn't deserve a Blizzcon finals over Zest, Inno, etc when they were winning GSLs. The new WCS, while bad overall, means we get a better Blizzcon with no Korean dropouts getting out of ro16.
You just said he had nothing in 2014 on Classic, but when he had to, he kicked him out of the biggest tournament of the year.
MMA didnt even played WCS America, he played WCS EU...
Get your facts strraight.
The korean in WCS 2013-2014 havent been so bad like people want them to be (for the myth), 1st GSL of 2015 was full of them, MMA made it there into the Ro4.
On top of this, the last Blizzcon, we only had 3 players (Polt, who went out 2-3 to Rain; Lilbow, failing hardcore and Hydra, defeating Dream 3-2 and losing 1-3 to Rouge) from WCS and 13 players from Core Korea. So why is 2016 better than 2015 in anyway and thus the most stacked Blizzcon?
On September 13 2016 23:39 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 23:30 Fango wrote:On September 13 2016 23:08 Clonester wrote:On September 13 2016 23:00 Fango wrote:On September 13 2016 22:49 Charoisaur wrote:On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
I must have missed his GSL run where he defeated TY, INnoVation and Dark -MMA at the time..... He had nothing in 2014 on Life, Classic, Inno, or Zest. He got to blizzcon finals by facing guys like Bomber and Polt He defeated Classic 3-1 in the semis of that Blizzcon. He went in the Ro4 in the first GSL of 2015, one of the most stacked GSLs ever. You are pure baiting. Mma is a fave of mine but he was not a top player at the time. His ONLY notable performance in 2014 was ONE SERIES against Classic. He got to Blizzcon based of winning WCS america and Dream hack against average Koreans at the most, then he got to the finals beating Polt, Bomber etc I know you love old wcs but he didn't deserve a Blizzcon finals over Zest, Inno, etc when they were winning GSLs. The new WCS, while bad overall, means we get a better Blizzcon with no Korean dropouts getting out of ro16. Bomber and Polt were still top tier TvT players. Bomber 4-0'd a GSL semifinalist 2 months before Blizzcon. Those were by no means easy matches.
Funfact: In his run to 2014 finals of BLizzcon, MMA never met Polt as Polt played 2-3 against Classic in the Round of 16. He played Stardust and Bomber, the Bomber who owned Cure 4-0 prior to the event.
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I love how they call it "global qualifiers" in the classic GSL spirit 
Shame for $o$, we´re gonna miss Diabolique´s fanatical fanboying when Blizzcon comes around.
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On September 13 2016 23:45 opisska wrote:I love how they call it "global qualifiers" in the classic GSL spirit Shame for $o$, we´re gonna miss Diabolique´s fanatical fanboying when Blizzcon comes around.
Oh don't worry Diabolique will still be there to watch his favorite foreigner Nerchio.
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Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL.
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU.
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage
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On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL.
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU.
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage
Because in 2014 everone had the same chance to qualify for Blizzcon. Everyone could travel to the "easy tournaments" and make them harder, but the koreans in Korea did not do it. They didnt care and such didnt deserve the spot. Every tournament then was open for anyone, if you wanted to be at Blizzcon and you think you deserve it, travel to random Dreamhack Nr37 and win it. But wait, they didnt, so they did not deserve to be at Blizzcon.
The Koreans in NA and EU have been great players and it is delusional to think the best of them (like MMA or Taeja) would suck against Koreans who played the GSL and nothing else.
This year not all players in Ro8 will be Koreans from WCS Korea. I say that at least 2 will fall short in the group stage, one will go out totally defeated by 0-4 and the other one will get eched out in a very close series for 2nd place.
Still you cant answer me how 2016 can be more stacked then 2015, where 13/16 players in Ro16 have been from Korea and the 3 WCS players had to play Koreans from Korea in the Ro16.
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On September 13 2016 23:01 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 22:52 Silvana wrote:On September 13 2016 22:41 Fango wrote:
People, Blizzcon will be more stacked that ever before. Yes its insulting to have 8 foreigners but think about it. Ro16 is played a week before Blizzcon and only 8/16 players actually go to the big stage. This means its likely the 8 korean players will be the ones to advance. Aka blizzcon itself will be the best 8 players in Korea. Remember ro16 each foreigner is matched with a Korean
Compared to previous years where half of BlizzCon was average Koreans that scored points in NA/EU, and half were legit top players from Korea. We end up with finals like Life vs MMA, MMA at the time would never have a chance at a Korean title.
Plus we get to see Nerchio and Showtime get bopped in ro16, thats something to look forward to. I think a few foreigner upsets are possible. 1 or 2 may advance. I hope they don't tho, because they'll use that as a tool to keep pushing the region lock. haha just read your last sentence again. What's wrong with Showtime? Nothing wrong with Showtime I jist like seeing foreigners hyped up to beat Koreans and then crushed. Honestly the only upset hopes are Neeb and Snute, maybe against Patience or Dear they have a decent chance at ro8
Blizzcon showed us several times that the winner is not the best player overall but the one that's in best form those days. If the foreigners are in good form I still don't think they'll win it all but reach the main tournament and maybe even a Ro4. I wouldn't count anyone out unless they'll pulling a Lilbow.
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France12905 Posts
On September 13 2016 23:02 SC2Toastie wrote:Sos and a bunch of top top tier Korean players do not get to the world championship. Meanwhile Neeb and Showtime do. I would be laughing if it weren't so fucking sad.
Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 20:45 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! Doesn't seem disgusting to me at all really. He only has one good result all year, a GSL top 2. In no year would this have been enough to make Blizzcon. Yes, in the past sOs relied on foreign tournaments to get the points needed, but that's not the world we live in anymore. Every other Korean who makes Blizzcon this year managed to get the points, too. Aceplayer of the ProLeague champs is kinda decent performance I guess?
Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 22:03 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 22:03 Parcelleus wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! This will be the most important post in this thread. KR players should have minimum 12 players and Foriengers max of 6 players. This would would be the ideal for my 2 cents as it still helps 'foster' the foreign scene , while keeping more of the best players in the world (KR players) included. The current 50/50 split is just insulting to the best players in the world and those who want to watch these players in the most lucrative competitions. Hopefully this will change for next year. 12 and 6 does not add up to 16. And if you restrict it to 12 Korea, 4 WCS, one of those WCS spots will always go to a Korean as long as Polt is active. Then maybe, just maybe, they don't deserve the spot at the world championship (read: best players in the world) if they need to be spoonfed so many spots and still can't really do it?
Did you look at the GSL finals that prevented him from qualifying? (sOs) he played very bad PvT games. Whereas Neeb was a practice partner sufficient enough for a teamless player to roll on a multiple proleague winner.
There are already so many korean protosses at Blizzcon, I rather see foreign ones since there are almost only zergs in WCS.
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On September 13 2016 23:02 SC2Toastie wrote:Sos and a bunch of top top tier Korean players do not get to the world championship. Meanwhile Neeb and Showtime do. I would be laughing if it weren't so fucking sad.
Show nested quote +On September 13 2016 20:45 Elentos wrote:On September 13 2016 20:38 atrox_ wrote:
rofl people can joke all they want but no sOs at blizzcon is kinda disgusting... but hey don't worry we'll get to see the foreigners!!! Doesn't seem disgusting to me at all really. He only has one good result all year, a GSL top 2. In no year would this have been enough to make Blizzcon. Yes, in the past sOs relied on foreign tournaments to get the points needed, but that's not the world we live in anymore. Every other Korean who makes Blizzcon this year managed to get the points, too. Aceplayer of the ProLeague champs is kinda decent performance I guess?
Rogue was ace player. sOs was 14-11 all season with PvT being his only matchup above 50%. that is decent, but nothing special and no reason why he would deserve to go to blizzcon.
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Damn! Would have been awesome to see sOs in blizzcon. But alas....
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On September 14 2016 00:09 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL.
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU.
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage Because in 2014 everone had the same chance to qualify for Blizzcon. Everyone could travel to the "easy tournaments" and make them harder, but the koreans in Korea did not do it. They didnt care and such didnt deserve the spot. Every tournament then was open for anyone, if you wanted to be at Blizzcon and you think you deserve it, travel to random Dreamhack Nr37 and win it. But wait, they didnt, so they did not deserve to be at Blizzcon.
Lets completely ignore the costs of flying from Korea to an overseas tournament, from practice lost, to not being able to perform at 100%, financial costs, proleague obligations...
Lol. You're making it seem like they didn't want a chance at easy money and wcs points.
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So this means 0 JAGW players at Blizzcon... 
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Alright Rogue this is your chance to finally get a Korean tournament under your belt.
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On September 14 2016 01:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Alright Rogue this is your chance to finally get a Korean tournament under your belt.
No way man 
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Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it
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wow 4 Korean protoss are competing for the last few spots for Blizzcon! That should make for an interesting story.
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On September 14 2016 02:00 Koivusto wrote:
Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it
I am a Rogue fan, he just isn't a player who will win a tournament anytime soon imo
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Pet......
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On September 14 2016 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 02:00 Koivusto wrote:
Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it I am a Rogue fan, he just isn't a player who will win a tournament anytime soon imo
Buyn just won GSL. You just have to believe Red.
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On September 14 2016 00:51 KappaKingPrime wrote:So this means 0 JAGW players at Blizzcon...
inb4 JAGW.ByuN
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Will Blizzard or KeSPA pay for foreign qualifiers' flights and accommodation to Korea?
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On September 14 2016 02:41 rednusa wrote:
Will Blizzard or KeSPA pay for foreign qualifiers' flights and accommodation to Korea?
If they are I bet they're really hoping Neeb and Scarlett qualify. Save them a bunch of money
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United States337 Posts
Would have loved to see $O$ again at Blizzcon, but gotta cheer for Patience.
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Exactly what Blizzcon needed. More protosses.
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As a Zerg and a Jaedong fan, nothing makes me happier than seeing $o$ unable to make it to blizzcon  .
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On September 14 2016 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 02:00 Koivusto wrote:
Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it I am a Rogue fan, he just isn't a player who will win a tournament anytime soon imo
If it stayed as HoTS for another year he would have, Rogue was only getting better up to the end of 2015.
On September 14 2016 00:09 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL.
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU.
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage Because in 2014 everone had the same chance to qualify for Blizzcon. Everyone could travel to the "easy tournaments" and make them harder, but the koreans in Korea did not do it. They didnt care and such didnt deserve the spot. Every tournament then was open for anyone, if you wanted to be at Blizzcon and you think you deserve it, travel to random Dreamhack Nr37 and win it. But wait, they didnt, so they did not deserve to be at Blizzcon. The Koreans in NA and EU have been great players and it is delusional to think the best of them (like MMA or Taeja) would suck against Koreans who played the GSL and nothing else. This year not all players in Ro8 will be Koreans from WCS Korea. I say that at least 2 will fall short in the group stage, one will go out totally defeated by 0-4 and the other one will get eched out in a very close series for 2nd place. Still you cant answer me how 2016 can be more stacked then 2015, where 13/16 players in Ro16 have been from Korea and the 3 WCS players had to play Koreans from Korea in the Ro16.
Because the ro8 (I don't include the ro16 as Blizzcon) will almost certainly be the 8 top from Korea, we won't see any Polts or Hydras or MCs like in the past (where the very best Koreans would lose in ro16, Zest, soO, Maru, Inno). The only chance is a Neeb or Snute upset to Patience or Dear.
The thing is this year the brackets are actually good, each Korean is matched with a foreigner meaning that the ro8 will be evenly spread out so we most likely wont have a 1 sided finals. I'm just glad that the ro8 this year should be all GSL/SSL players instead of guys picking up points from Dreamhacks, WCS EU etc, and you cannot suggest that those cups are on the same skill level.
And please, not all Korean players can afford to go touring EU and NA for free tournament wins. Many can't get away during proleague season and for the ones that aren't big names probably don't have a money to go.
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On September 14 2016 03:47 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 02:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 14 2016 02:00 Koivusto wrote:
Rogue did baneling drops before they were cool thus he would deserve it I am a Rogue fan, he just isn't a player who will win a tournament anytime soon imo If it stayed as HoTS for another year he would have, Rogue was only getting better up to the end of 2015. Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:09 Clonester wrote:On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Dude, i don't understand how you're fine with average koreans getting to Blizzcon off dreamhacks and wcs eu/America. But you dont like foreigners getting in of region locks? Its the same thing, players getting to blizzcon of easy tournaments. The best players are the ones who do well in Gsl/SSl/SPL.
The best players in 2014 were zest, inno, classic, soo, and life. Yet almost all of them end on the same side of the bracket at blizzcon, this is why BC 2014 sucked. Half the tourney was top players and half was Koreans winning NA and EU.
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
2016 will be the first year of a full GSl/SSl top players for the ro8/4/finals. Hence more stacked than previous years, where starleague champs don't even get to the Blizzcon stage Because in 2014 everone had the same chance to qualify for Blizzcon. Everyone could travel to the "easy tournaments" and make them harder, but the koreans in Korea did not do it. They didnt care and such didnt deserve the spot. Every tournament then was open for anyone, if you wanted to be at Blizzcon and you think you deserve it, travel to random Dreamhack Nr37 and win it. But wait, they didnt, so they did not deserve to be at Blizzcon. The Koreans in NA and EU have been great players and it is delusional to think the best of them (like MMA or Taeja) would suck against Koreans who played the GSL and nothing else. This year not all players in Ro8 will be Koreans from WCS Korea. I say that at least 2 will fall short in the group stage, one will go out totally defeated by 0-4 and the other one will get eched out in a very close series for 2nd place. Still you cant answer me how 2016 can be more stacked then 2015, where 13/16 players in Ro16 have been from Korea and the 3 WCS players had to play Koreans from Korea in the Ro16. Because the ro8 (I don't include the ro16 as Blizzcon) will almost certainly be the 8 top from Korea, we won't see any Polts or Hydras or MCs like in the past (where the very best Koreans would lose in ro16, Zest, soO, Maru, Inno). The only chance is a Neeb or Snute upset to Patience or Dear. The thing is this year the brackets are actually good, each Korean is matched with a foreigner meaning that the ro8 will be evenly spread out so we most likely wont have a 1 sided finals. I'm just glad that the ro8 this year should be all GSL/SSL players instead of guys picking up points from Dreamhacks, WCS EU etc, and you cannot suggest that those cups are on the same skill level. And please, not all Korean players can afford to go touring EU and NA for free tournament wins. Many can't get away during proleague season and for the ones that aren't big names probably don't have a money to go.
Why has Top 8 Blizzcon of 2015 been weaker then your proposed top 8 of this years Blizzcon? Because Hydra made it by beating Dream?
The Blizzcon Top 8 of 2016 will not be the top 8 of korean starcraft. Where is the best ProLeague player?
Koreans could easy afford to fly there. They play for the most wealthiest teams in the entire scene, SKT, KT, CJ, Jin Air and Samsung or got a personal sponsorship by RB. If they didnt want to go or their teams didnt want to sent them, then its not the fail of the system. These tournaments have been 100% open and the ones who did not want to use this option can only ask themselfs or their teams why not.
ProLeague is no excuse, for regular play days you never need more then 5 players, use your B teamers, it was a 8 team Proleague with MVP, IM and Prime anyway.
The teams or the players didnt want to go, that for me is their fault, if the money in Dreamhacks and IEMs has been so easy, there wouldnt be a problem to pay 1500€ for the plane tickets.
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On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream, duckdeok beat INnoVation.
Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon.
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On September 14 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream. Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon.
duckdeok beat INnoVation and nearly beat Maru, never forget.
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On September 14 2016 04:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream. Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon. duckdeok beat INnoVation and nearly beat Maru, never forget.
right, forgot about duckdeok.
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duckdeok vs Maru was an EPIC series. Awesome games.
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On September 14 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream, duckdeok beat INnoVation. Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon.
Obviously it wasn't just unlucky seeds, upsets happen and that's fair enough. In fact upsets are likely to happen due to the Koreigners being custom to weekend tournament format, the Koreans being used to long StarLeague format. But historically Blizzcon I just find dissapointing. MMA got into ro8 by winning dreamhacks and beating Stardust (another koreigner), same with San beating jjakji. While Zest (a potential cup winner) loses in ro16 to Life and Innovation who were at their very peaks. I mean yeah MMA beat Classic, but that series was the only significant thing he did that whole year, 1 good series isn't enough to make you Blizzcon finals worthy in my opinion.
Dunno I'd just prefer it if the actual world best players, aka the GSL, SSL, and SPL champs all made it to Blizzcon (the ro8 I mean, ro16 isn't Blizzcon). This year it's different, because the ro16 matches each top 8 Korean against a foreigner, there wont be 2 potential winners fighting in the ro16 again (like Zest vs Life for example). All the StarLeague kings this year can make it to Blizzcon (ro8), which I find pretty damn good. Having no Koreigners in Blizzcon makes it so much more stacked than previous years, also means there should be fewer one-sided series.
In conclusion: I don't like that Koreigners were able to make Blizzcon of easy Dreamhack and WCS EU tournaments while "better" KeSPA players couldn't make it in. This year the top 8 KeSPA players (7 and Byun) can all potentially make Blizzcon (aka the ro8). I mean they could have just made Blizzcon have group stages instead of 100% single elim and fix the problem but whatever.
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What a weird argument. No Blizzcon will be as stacked as in years past.
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It's kind of sad that $0$ has to win GSL to get into Blizzcon but Nerchio is going.
I really don't like this new WCS format. So boring to me.
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On September 14 2016 06:44 DinoMight wrote:
It's kind of sad that $0$ has to win GSL to get into Blizzcon but Nerchio is going.
I really don't like this new WCS format. So boring to me.
That is just wrong though, you didn't have to win GSL to go to blizzcon, you just had to do well in your region.
sOs did terrible besides his second place this GSL.
edit: What i kinda dislike though is that the winner of each league gets a direct seed. I feel like this promotes one hit wonders too much. Doing well all year should be the highest priority here imo.
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meh, none of my faves. Would have been cool to see SoS at BlizzCon again.
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The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is.
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You realize that "MMA only qualified because he won a Dreamhack" is hilarious considering tournaments like that are the only reason Life and sOs ever made Blizzcon? Also Life had shown no signs of being near his peak before Blizzcon 2014, he was so far removed from being a tournament favorite going into it that it's laughable.
Also having the best players at Blizzcon is just a dream. You can get the biggest names for sure, and the most successful players of the year, but you will always have players who are not playing at their peak level and who thus are not "the best" or even among the best.
And finally, you devalue "Koreigners" far too much for the good of your own argument. Especially for 2014 you act like they were some kind of trash. This is a tournament run Polt had in 2014 during the season when there were 3 Terrans total in Code S. Especially Polt and Bomber were still highly competitive.
On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is.
Of all the foreigners to pick on you take the one with the most WCS points? The one who won a season and for that alone probably would have made Blizzcon if the system was still the exact same?
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On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is.
Yeah sOs had an amazing year, multiple runs in GSL/SSL and even in Kespa Cup he has a good shot at winning.
Just shows how competitive korea is when his results this year aren't enough to be in the top 8 of korea
I mean i get that you want the "best" players at blizzcon and that the current wcs system isn't good at providing that. It's worse doing that than the years before. But even there people weren't ok with the system. "Jd doesn't deserve it", yada yada yada.
The simple truth is that the only way to make wcs point inviting systems work is if every player plays in every competition.
That will and was never the case though.
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On September 14 2016 07:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. Of all the foreigners to pick on you take the one with the most WCS points? The one who won a season and for that alone probably would have made Blizzcon if the system was still the exact same?
By beating SortOf, Guru, an out of form Violet, and Masa en route to the final.
I stand by my original statement. It's a fucking joke
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On September 13 2016 18:53 SkySC2 wrote:
sOs out? this made my day *-*
Hey you.
Yeah you.
Fuck you.
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Weird how so many people get salty because of the Blizzcon player pool.
It´s about the best players of the world, not just Korea. Of course players from all around the world get a chance at playing in it. How else should it be? Everybody has to play on the KR Server, may the best ping win? Or everybody has to qualify through GSL/SSL points?
It is set up like a world championship, and so the world needs to be represented. Korea alone can´t do that.
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Is the best way to resolve this kit to have more than 16 players at blizz on? I mean really, If not 32 why not 24 with double elim? I mean a fair ratio may be 20 kr top 12 foreigners. Hell even if you split it 16/16 people would be more happy than they are now.
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Austria24422 Posts
I think 16 is enough. They can't even fit that into the actual Blizzcon event. With 32 players there also would be much less excitement throughout the year, as almost every good player would qualify anyway.
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I still stand by my signature
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On September 14 2016 18:36 y0su wrote:
I still stand by my signature
Except your signature is just wrong. The top 8 of WCS Korea qualify for the Global Finals, yes. But in the previous years, the champions weren't 12th, 14th and 14th in WCS Korea. They were 12th, 14th and 14th in WCS overall. In 2013 sOs was top 8 by points in Korea. So was Life in 2014. The only one who drops out is sOs 2015 where he was 11th in Korea. But 2015 was a special year, too, it will always be the Blizzcon with the most WCS KR players.
In 2015 the Blizzcon Ro16 was 13 WCS KR players to 3 WCS NA/EU players. In 2013/2014 it was 10 WCS NA/EU players to 6 WCS KR players. This year it'll be 8 to 8. Yes I realize at least 4 of the EU/NA players will be foreigners. But let's not pretend that Koreans who only play Korean tournaments are getting less spots at Blizzcon this year than in 2013/2014.
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France12905 Posts
On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is.
A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough.
He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better.
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On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better.
Totally agree !
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Excited about the end of the year. Some good Sc coming up.
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On September 14 2016 05:43 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:On September 14 2016 00:01 Fango wrote:
Blizzcon is stacked this year because the top 8 koreans will be whole ro8 due to the way ro16 is set up. World top players like Zest, Maru, Inno, soO in the past would go out in ro16 because of unlucky seed, while Polt Bomber, MC level players would go to ro8.
this is not true, they didn't get knocked out because of unlucky seeds, the "Polt, Bomber, MC level players" were able to defeat the "world top players" at blizzcon. Bomber beat Soulkey, TaeJa beat soO and INnoVation, Jaedong beat Maru and Dear, MMA beat Classic, Hydra beat Dream, duckdeok beat INnoVation. Of course some would get knocked out because of unlucky seeds like Zest vs Life but the kespa koreans weren't much better than the koreigners at blizzcon. Obviously it wasn't just unlucky seeds, upsets happen and that's fair enough. In fact upsets are likely to happen due to the Koreigners being custom to weekend tournament format, the Koreans being used to long StarLeague format. But historically Blizzcon I just find dissapointing. MMA got into ro8 by winning dreamhacks and beating Stardust (another koreigner), same with San beating jjakji. While Zest (a potential cup winner) loses in ro16 to Life and Innovation who were at their very peaks. I mean yeah MMA beat Classic, but that series was the only significant thing he did that whole year, 1 good series isn't enough to make you Blizzcon finals worthy in my opinion. Dunno I'd just prefer it if the actual world best players, aka the GSL, SSL, and SPL champs all made it to Blizzcon (the ro8 I mean, ro16 isn't Blizzcon). This year it's different, because the ro16 matches each top 8 Korean against a foreigner, there wont be 2 potential winners fighting in the ro16 again (like Zest vs Life for example). All the StarLeague kings this year can make it to Blizzcon (ro8), which I find pretty damn good. Having no Koreigners in Blizzcon makes it so much more stacked than previous years, also means there should be fewer one-sided series. In conclusion: I don't like that Koreigners were able to make Blizzcon of easy Dreamhack and WCS EU tournaments while "better" KeSPA players couldn't make it in. This year the top 8 KeSPA players (7 and Byun) can all potentially make Blizzcon (aka the ro8). I mean they could have just made Blizzcon have group stages instead of 100% single elim and fix the problem but whatever.
You guys need to stop whining. If you want to watch the best players play in the 'best' tournament, don't watch blizzcon, go watch GSL, SSL and SPL, cuz those are the 'best tournaments in the whole world', seriously guys.... stop whining
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On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better.
Yes, sOs does not deserve to get to BlizzCon for his performance this year, but it is a stupid bullshit to say, foreign Protosses are better than him. I am pretty sure, he would beat them all. sOs does not go to BlizzCon because there were only two seasons of GSL/SSL this year and there were no other international tournaments, he could participate in and thus getting the points, he needed.
However, this year's BlizzCon seems to be quite OK related to the split of players. But instead of the split 8 / 8 between TOP Koreans and foreigners, I would prefer split 12 / 4. Which we almost have anyway:
o 8 TOP Koreans according to the ranking are OK:
- Dark, Solar, ByuN, Zest, TY, Stats, Dear, Classic / Patience
o 4 TOP foreigners according to foreigners ranking are OK, they all will be a great supplement of this year's BlizzCon:
- Neeb, Snute, Nerchio, ShowTime
o 4 Others: this is the only point, where I am not happy ... Elazer does not belong to BlizzCon and our Koreigners may be worse than the other Koreans ... so here I would prefer some "Road to BlizzCon" minitournament before BlizzCon between WCS TOP8 (except the TOP4 real foreigners) and the 9-12 ranked Koreans. So it would be a qualification for BlizzCon for 4 places between 8 participants:
- Polt, Hydra, TRUE, Violet / Elazer, Classic / Patience, Myungsik, Cure, herO / sOs
I would guess, the winning 4 would be Polt, Classic / Patience, Cure, herO / sOs ...
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Polt got more WCS points than any foreigner and he's supposed to play an extra tournament to earn his spot while they get theirs for free?
I'm not following the logic here.
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France12905 Posts
I didn't say foreign protoss, I said foreign top P. Read Neeb and showtime. Plus I said in macro games, of course in a bo7 being absurdly good at protoss cheddar helps.
Him beating them in PvP (or not) wouldn't make him better than them at macro games in general, one match-up/head-to-head isn't enough to accurately rank players.
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The problem with blizzcon is the massive amount of pricemoney. It should have been halved and used for another Kespa Cup mid season.
First round all foreigners get raped, then there are only 7 matches left (8 with match between 3rd and 4th). So few matches for so much money
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On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better.
Using one bad play to judge the whole player... good argument
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France12905 Posts
On September 15 2016 21:29 swissman777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better. Using one bad play to judge the whole player... good argument
It's not one bad play lol, he played bad all year long.
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Austria24422 Posts
Top foreign protoss are not better than sOs in macro games, but I agree he hasn't been good this year.
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On September 15 2016 19:45 Poopi wrote:
I didn't say foreign protoss, I said foreign top P. Read Neeb and showtime. Plus I said in macro games, of course in a bo7 being absurdly good at protoss cheddar helps.
Him beating them in PvP (or not) wouldn't make him better than them at macro games in general, one match-up/head-to-head isn't enough to accurately rank players.
Well, it made me quite angry in the past, when people, who do not understand SC2, named sOs being the "cheeser", who cannot play macro games. In the reality, he was always a master of macro games, who could play cheese as well. Unless you call him a cheeser, because he has used smartly DTs in the middle of a macro game. So I am quite confident, he would destroy any foreign Protoss in macro games as well. Unfortunately for him, he was not able to destroy Patience / Trust when it mattered.
On September 15 2016 21:36 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 21:29 swissman777 wrote:On September 15 2016 07:07 Poopi wrote:On September 14 2016 07:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
The fact that sOs is staying home while Showtime is going to Blizzcon just shows what a sick fucking joke WCS 2016 is. A protoss friend who watched sOs vs ByuN thought sOs was matchfixing seeing how bad he was playing. There are ton of protoss qualified for Blizzcon among koreans, sOs just wasn't good enough. He always had good cheddars but in macro games foreign top P are probably better. Using one bad play to judge the whole player... good argument It's not one bad play lol, he played bad all year long.
I see, so you mean winning the first international LotV IEM tournament against herO and ByuN, winning all the important deciding matches in 3 Proleague play offs and winning 2nd place in GSL (fully deserved after two great victories against herO and MyungSiK) means "lol, he played bad all year long". You are definitely a very funny guy.
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France12905 Posts
Well, it made me quite angry in the past, when people, who do not understand SC2, named sOs being the "cheeser", who cannot play macro games.
I'll leave it there :o.
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Russian Federation421 Posts
sOs lost GSL finals and bombed out of Blizzcon. Good times.
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wish they could set up the brackets in a fairer way. double elimination at least
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On September 16 2016 11:44 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote:wish they could set up the brackets in a fairer way. double elimination at least
Well double elim would be nice i agree, but looking at the groups it wasn't really that stacked to begin with
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So sad to see sOs drop out God damn Patience...
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