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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On July 22 2016 04:01 Charoisaur wrote: Lib range should be removed too. And no there's no downside in massing tempests, the more tempests you have the better. Definitely not true in normal PvT. You don't want more than enough to one-shot liberators (unless your opponent is going mech). You lose too much DPS and mobility if you build more. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24237 Posts
On July 22 2016 04:54 Pokebunny wrote: these are all good changes and the kind of changes I want to see, there aren't major problems imo agree the state of the game is pretty good right now and those are exactly the kind of changes we need. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On July 22 2016 03:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Tempests are necessary against turtly mass liberator styles, and in PvT you rarely if ever should go over 6 tempests anyways. Tempests are only a problem in ultra-lategame PvZ really. Anything that can counter a turtle unit by outranging them becomes the new turtle unit. It's a neverending downward spiral. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On July 22 2016 03:51 striderx2048 wrote: How about nydus exit being "cloak" but attackable until it is finished? Great suggestion, also it's more realistic : you can't seem the exit until the worm has finished to dig. On July 22 2016 05:12 [PkF] Wire wrote: agree the state of the game is pretty good right now and those are exactly the kind of changes we need. Not really, see GSL ? No zerg. All these changes come in the same direction : Shade increase : good for terran. WP nerf : good for terran. Ultra -1 armor : good for terran. Zerg get only buff for early/mid game ZvP, while if they need buff it's rather to deal vs protoss lategame (honestly never seen pro games where a zerg beat Protoss on late game, but i would be glad if someone has some games to learn how to win vs them). Sure ZvT is too ultra centric for Zerg but zerg have nothing else that is reliable and good vs terran army. Terran have two counters for ultras, and some may say it's hard to control it's possible. GSL results prove it. Want less ultras based army to help the casual terran ? Then buff the other things to give zerg a way to play without ultras. Else just -1 for ultras is just nerfing the weakest race. | ||
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scoo2r
Canada91 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 22 2016 05:27 Tyrhanius wrote: Great suggestion, also it's more realistic : you can't seem the exit until the worm has finished to dig. Not really, see GSL ? No zerg. All these changes come in the same direction : Shade increase : good for terran. WP nerf : good for terran. Ultra -1 armor : good for terran. Zerg get only buff for early/mid game ZvP, while if they need buff it's rather to deal vs protoss lategame (honestly never seen pro games where a zerg beat Protoss on late game, but i would be glad if someone has some games to learn how to win vs them). Sure ZvT is too ultra centric for Zerg but zerg have nothing else that is reliable and good vs terran army. Terran have two counters for ultras, and some may say it's hard to control it's possible. GSL results prove it. Want less ultras based army to help the casual terran ? Then buff the other things to give zerg a way to play without ultras. Else just -1 for ultras is just nerfing the weakest race. For Terrans that means the game is balanced  . | ||
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usopsama
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
It needs to be addressed, and still hasn't been. The most obvious disappointment is how there's still not even a single word about Mech viability and fixing mech which they broke in LOTV. What exactly happened at the community summit for there to be not a single mention of mech in their next community update? It's really disappointing. "Big Changes are coming." Where? ?????? When?????? | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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FOXHOUND2
5 Posts
Keep up the good work. | ||
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ihatevideogames
570 Posts
Pro scene be damned, it's just not fucking fun at all to not be able to play the lategame whatsoever. Also, when was the last time someone made a BC in a pro game? The BC is currently worse than the fucking swarm host. I still remember the BC damage nerf in early days of WOL, even when noone whined about it. | ||
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Pugfarmer
70 Posts
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
Sure, so terran cant beat phoenix and carrier's interceptors anymore. So terran will be even more limited in viable units/builds. Sounds fántástic!!, the joy of seeing more bio games. [sarcasm] | ||
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Beliskner
111 Posts
On July 22 2016 05:12 [PkF] Wire wrote: agree the state of the game is pretty good right now and those are exactly the kind of changes we need. I agree, and I think the meta still hasn't settled properly, Terrans are definitely starting to work out late gate v zerg a bit better. Almost to the point where the Ultra nerf might not even be necessary. Seeing lots of games where a proper ghost transition will absolutely obliterate Ultras, and then brood lords too. Nerfing the armor 1 point will effectively double the dps of marines against Ultras, I still think when Terran sees Ultras they need to think of tech switching to ghosts, not to just add in a few more marauders and bully their way through. It's hard to see without testing but 1 armor can be a big change. | ||
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Icekin
88 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On July 22 2016 11:53 Beliskner wrote: I agree, and I think the meta still hasn't settled properly, Terrans are definitely starting to work out late gate v zerg a bit better. Almost to the point where the Ultra nerf might not even be necessary. Seeing lots of games where a proper ghost transition will absolutely obliterate Ultras, and then brood lords too. Nerfing the armor 1 point will effectively double the dps of marines against Ultras, I still think when Terran sees Ultras they need to think of tech switching to ghosts, not to just add in a few more marauders and bully their way through. It's hard to see without testing but 1 armor can be a big change. Ultralisk nerf is 100% necessary. I'm surprised they're not doing -2 aka a full revert to the HOTS ultralisk. | ||
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Beliskner
111 Posts
On July 22 2016 12:33 avilo wrote: Ultralisk nerf is 100% necessary. I'm surprised they're not doing -2 aka a full revert to the HOTS ultralisk. You're surprised they're not reverting Ultras back to the point where they were essentially considered a Joke? | ||
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90ti
United States100 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On July 22 2016 05:20 andrewlt wrote: Anything that can counter a turtle unit by outranging them becomes the new turtle unit. It's a neverending downward spiral. Yep. First we had BLs 10 range, then tempests 15 range, not libs 14 range. The same happened with Tank 13 range and SH 75e6 range. Blizz really has a problem with all this outsieging the siege concept. | ||
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