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The Myth of the Chrono Boost Buff in LotV - Page 9

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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-01 14:34:44
July 01 2016 14:33 GMT
#161
I'm not and i didn't say anything about beyond 5 minutes. It's much more complicated to say how much better the old chrono is further into the game because it's actually optimal to bank and stack it very early in the game.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
[Tek]Darktek
Profile Joined March 2013
United States28 Posts
July 02 2016 01:42 GMT
#162
I'm just glad didn't put in the "macro crutches" as some called it. Aka auto inject, auto mule, and they did keep it for protoss but lowered the speed so its fair. However I do feel like Zerg should get slowed down in some way. I have games where I've killed larva, drones, a queen or 2, and sometimes even a hatchery with a hellbat push, and from there they still drone up way faster than I can keep up with. 12 worker start benefits zerg a lot more than some would think because now you dont need 20+ to mine minerals. Thats 6 less drones they need to make, aka 6 less larva to spend. I'm not saying go with 3 larva from inject, or whatever that number was??. I was thinking something like 1 less larva off the first hatch. Or start them with 0 instead of 3? I know this probably sounds silly and in korea zerg is in a slump. But at a high dia/low master level im really having trouble killing them even if i do MASSIVE dmg. The only time they cant catch up is if I either kill them, or kill the hatch when they did not take a fast 3rd.
Always make room for improvement. -Total Elite Killas-
[Tek]Darktek
Profile Joined March 2013
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-03 20:00:20
July 02 2016 01:46 GMT
#163
Oh and @ cyro's post above mine. It all depends on how the game plays out. When i was playing toss, if i was free to get up to 3-4 base in hots, I would try to bank 50 on each nexus to be timed with my attack, That way i can crono army out.. Saving energy in the late game felt more ideal, assuming there was no more research or probes to push out faster.
Always make room for improvement. -Total Elite Killas-
0mg_t1red
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation104 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-04 14:45:43
July 04 2016 14:45 GMT
#164
Kinda nerdy to do such type of research, especially considering it's really high quality in both form and content defenitely cool stuff)
Ozmodeus
Profile Joined April 2011
United States24 Posts
July 22 2016 21:56 GMT
#165
lol retard, titling something the "myth" doesnt validate your point at all. having a permanent chrono boost running, every second of the entire game length, is clearly a buff #logic #debuffed

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imp42
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
398 Posts
July 23 2016 09:59 GMT
#166
> To make the two compatible, we can discard the first few minutes of HotS games, and start observing once the 12th Probe is finished. This way, we start at 12 workers in both cases

this is definitely a wrong assumption, hence all conclusions based on it are flawed (they still might be incidentally correct, but the derivation is not). The reason the assumption is wrong: You cannot compare the two chronoboost mechanisms independent of their respective context. The difference in worker count to start with is such a context.

> Kinda nerdy to do such type of research, especially considering it's really high quality in both form and content defenitely cool stuff)

A typical bias. High quality form makes you conclude the content is high quality too. But since the author gives it a scientific touch, it raises scientific expectations. And there are some serious flaws in the argumentation, as others have pointed out.
As has already been suggested I too believe the best way to compare is to look at the _relative_ strengths of chronoboost compared to other races pre- and post-lotv. Which is of course quite difficult to do. Too many dependent variables....
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 18 2017 05:47 GMT
#167
This is an extremely nice and informative article. Thanks.
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