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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
April 28 2016 15:25 GMT
#21
On April 28 2016 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:
Any VODs of this Dark's baneling build games?



Chick his SSL finals against Stats.

There is also a strategy guide/discussion about it here
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
April 28 2016 15:38 GMT
#22
I don't understand why are you criticizing the questions? I think they're great!!! The interviewer asked things people have been wondering about for a while now.

And the answers are short and direct, I like them too.
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
April 28 2016 15:43 GMT
#23
Foreign community says protoss can't beat zerg, Korean pros says zerg can't beat protoss so immortals nerf should be needed.

One reason why I kinda sympathize for DK, I wouldn't know who to listen to if I was in his shoes
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15955 Posts
April 28 2016 15:44 GMT
#24
On April 29 2016 00:38 Silvana wrote:
I don't understand why are you criticizing the questions? I think they're great!!! The interviewer asked things people have been wondering about for a while now.

And the answers are short and direct, I like them too.

I haven't seen anyone wondering that marus liberator build was too atrong. It seemed more like a gimmick that worked because solar had no idea how to deal with it.
Later on the same day byul crushed that build and after that nobody tried it anymore
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 28 2016 15:51 GMT
#25
On April 29 2016 00:43 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
Foreign community says protoss can't beat zerg, Korean pros says zerg can't beat protoss so immortals nerf should be needed.

One reason why I kinda sympathize for DK, I wouldn't know who to listen to if I was in his shoes

For once it would be nice to have the same map pool so the reason can be "foreign protoss are just bad players". Right now there are maps which are in BO5+ inevitable heavily pro Zerg.

Which could mean that foreign Zerg players cannot be beaten but at the same time once these maps are removed they cannot win.

Meaning the MU could be mostly affected by maps.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
April 28 2016 16:26 GMT
#26
On April 29 2016 00:51 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2016 00:43 MiniFotToss wrote:
Foreign community says protoss can't beat zerg, Korean pros says zerg can't beat protoss so immortals nerf should be needed.

One reason why I kinda sympathize for DK, I wouldn't know who to listen to if I was in his shoes

For once it would be nice to have the same map pool so the reason can be "foreign protoss are just bad players". Right now there are maps which are in BO5+ inevitable heavily pro Zerg.

Which could mean that foreign Zerg players cannot be beaten but at the same time once these maps are removed they cannot win.

Meaning the MU could be mostly affected by maps.

I always think that with ZvP it's ALWAYS with maps, that's why maps like Deadwing/Cactus Valley can be very protoss favored.

In HOTS, Protoss relied on holding ramps and FF or solid defenses till you get the ultra late-game army to combat zerg.
in LOTV, Zerg has that role, to get past the time where Adepts/DT's are no longer able to do fatal damage, the nthey can be favored with Tier 3 units.

Basically Zerg and Toss have reversed roles in LOTV
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
April 28 2016 17:09 GMT
#27
A. We also heard same complaint from foreign players. Korean pros complain about why Blizzard heard voice only from foreign pros, and Foreign complain about same thing(only from Korean pros). We can't take sides. We hear all voices from pros from Korea, NA, and ordinary users, so we agree that all players have same thought. For example from last balance test map, thor and liberator is from Korean feedback and +bio damage to photon cannon was from ordinary user level. WE DON'T TAKE SIDES.


I kinda feel sorry for this guy and understand his pain. He just takes SO MUCH BASHING, it's insane. Literally from everyone, without exception - progamers from all cultures, regular players, everyone.
He takes as much bashing as Greg Street used to take for balancing World of Warcraft.

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Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
April 28 2016 17:09 GMT
#28
ZvP balance is extremely map dependent, probably alot more so then unit buffs and nerfs.

It's just like in ZvT with close air position always favoring Terrans over Zerg.

We don't really need too many of these changes (except the Liberator change is completely warranted) we just need better maps.
Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
April 28 2016 17:19 GMT
#29
Does anyone here actually enjoy watching colossi battling?
6 trillion
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
April 28 2016 17:20 GMT
#30
On April 29 2016 02:19 Lazare1969 wrote:
Does anyone here actually enjoy watching colossi battling?


Does anyone here actually enjoy watching colossi in the game?

Fixed

Oh, and the answer is no.
Draddition
Profile Joined February 2014
United States59 Posts
April 28 2016 17:34 GMT
#31
"However, we can't buff colossus now because protoss is not weak now."

This is the kind of attitude that's driving me insane right now. So much focus is going towards how are races doing right now, not which strategies are doing well. Can we please consider the option of putting out MULTIPLE changes in a single patch? Nerf the units that are problematic, buff the ones that aren't.
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
April 28 2016 17:44 GMT
#32
On April 29 2016 02:20 Beelzebub1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2016 02:19 Lazare1969 wrote:
Does anyone here actually enjoy watching colossi battling?


Does anyone here actually enjoy watching colossi in the game?

Fixed

Oh, and the answer is no.


... I guess Im a rebel then
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-28 17:47:05
April 28 2016 17:46 GMT
#33
Why does David Kim say protoss is not weak at the moment when nerfs are considered to help PvZ? If something is not weak, it does not need help. This guy needs to learn some logic. Also, protoss is the least played race in LotV.
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
April 28 2016 18:38 GMT
#34
On April 29 2016 02:34 Draddition wrote:
"However, we can't buff colossus now because protoss is not weak now."

This is the kind of attitude that's driving me insane right now. So much focus is going towards how are races doing right now, not which strategies are doing well. Can we please consider the option of putting out MULTIPLE changes in a single patch? Nerf the units that are problematic, buff the ones that aren't.


They tried that before and that was what led to BL infestor era. When you nerf something and buff something at the same time, that can happen. The reason why Blizzard is taking forever with patches now is because back when EVERYONE was complaining about the game, they rolled out patches pretty constantly and it created BL/Infestor era and leading into hots with mass SH games. I like that they are taking it slow actually, give people time to figure things out. Remember when Terran were ALL complaining about Adepts? The only change was a -1 damage and now people are whinning about other things.
Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
April 28 2016 18:46 GMT
#35
I think for Protoss it's because the OP units require a lot of micro i.e. Phoenix, Disruptor, and Warp Prism. Most nonpros just fall apart juggling everything so the OP is never realized. Then you have Zest who's on point with all 3 at once and there's nothing the opponent can do. Perhaps Phoenix is due for a mild nerf for the sake of all 3 matchups these days, but in exchange a less skill intensive buff. My money is on reverting Chrono or buffing Sentries or buffing GtA somehow against Mutas. I think most of the other Protoss units are in great spots right now and don't need buffs. If upgraded Libs became less obscene Terran can get a TvP buff like Helbats/Hellions/Cyclone/Raven or something.
The more you know, the less you understand.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-28 18:49:24
April 28 2016 18:48 GMT
#36
mutalisks are not used on pro level in pvz so they buff cannons because low level players struggle against mutalisk, this is blizzard logic nowadays...

also no patches happening is the same mistake as in hots, more patches please
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28476 Posts
April 28 2016 18:51 GMT
#37
One of major complaint from korean players is "Blizzard only accept feedback from NA/EU players who have bad skilled players, so game become weird".

Haha

Interesting interview, thanks
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
April 28 2016 18:55 GMT
#38
Why not +light damage instead of +bio damage that will make it even more impossible to kill airtoss ? And as I said in other related posts, +light also helps in PvP phoenix wars.
I wasbanned fromthis
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
113 Posts
April 28 2016 18:57 GMT
#39
On April 28 2016 23:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2016 23:29 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2016 23:15 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 28 2016 23:09 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2016 22:34 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 28 2016 22:20 Charoisaur wrote:

the questions are horrible btw who did this interview?
.



Well the questions went though translation process, so don't pay attention to their tone. aside from this, they seemed quite interesting to me.

On April 28 2016 22:20 Charoisaur wrote:
So he doesn't want to change tankivacs because players love it. Ahahahaha nice excuse DK..


Yeah I know, why the fuck is he listening to the community? It's totally not what he's been asked to do for over 4 years....

I haven't heard a single player say that tankivacs are fun, the only people who like it are spectators.
But let's just assume pro players really like them, why is DK suddenly listening to them? Pro players also want a good mappool but DK doesn't give that either.
I don't believe for a second he really considered removing tankivacs and now he's just cherry-picking feedback to fit his agenda



yeah because every morning when he wakes up, his first thought is "Hmm how will I ruin the game and make players angry today?"

I don't mean to be DK's attorney, but at least try to come up with stuff that makes some kind of sense...

no but he wants to change the game how he wants it and not how the players want it

don't speak for me..



lol.

User was warned for this post
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
April 28 2016 19:45 GMT
#40
I also would like to say that I don't think they should take feedback from lower leagues players. Who cares if lower league players struggle vs mutas ? They're not struggling vs mutas even half as much as they're struggling vs their poor control, bad macro, nonexistent multitask etc. So doing this buff will not truly help them, while it definitely shuts down mutas in high level ZvP and reinforces the "kill him before he gets there" aspect of mothership + tempests/void rays + storm.
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