On April 22 2016 09:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life's matchfixing shouldn't be a factor at all tbh, nothing to do with his achievements. People who argue this do this from an emotional standpoint imo, which is bad.
On April 22 2016 09:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life's matchfixing shouldn't be a factor at all tbh, nothing to do with his achievements. People who argue this do this from an emotional standpoint imo, which is bad.
one's story is part of greatness.
Greatness is completely subjective. I can say Has is the greatest player of all time because of his genius pylon wall and you can't disprove it. The only thing that can be somewhat objectively measured is the level of success a player had.
On April 22 2016 09:37 Charoisaur wrote: There should be a poll on sc2 goat. Would give the most objective results. When single people make lists it will always be biased.
If that's what you believe, then you'd need to take a poll first to see if a player should be able to be voted on if they were caught matchfixing as being a matchfixer may or may not be a quality people consider in GOAT.
Yeah probably pointless to make a poll now because many people just won't vote for life because he matchfixed.
If you believe voting would have given the most objective results for GOAT, then they would also give the most objective results for qualifications of GOAT.
On April 22 2016 09:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Life's matchfixing shouldn't be a factor at all tbh, nothing to do with his achievements. People who argue this do this from an emotional standpoint imo, which is bad.
one's story is part of greatness.
We aren't valuing if he is the greatest person ever, we are valuing if he is the greatest sc2 player ever. He probably wouldn't get far in the first competition because of his matchfixing, the other one though...
On April 22 2016 08:57 Lazare1969 wrote: Life still has almost half a million dollars in prize money and that's not including team salary. He doesn't even have to make investments, he could just stash it all in a savings account with a decent interest rate and retire at the age of 19. Though he'd have to settle for a somewhat cheap life if he did that.
The grapevine says Life squandered most of his legitimate earnings on gambling, which probably made him desperate enough to match fix so he could get more money to gamble away, or payoff gambling debts.
On April 22 2016 08:57 Lazare1969 wrote: Life still has almost half a million dollars in prize money and that's not including team salary. He doesn't even have to make investments, he could just stash it all in a savings account with a decent interest rate and retire at the age of 19. Though he'd have to settle for a somewhat cheap life if he did that.
The grapevine says Life squandered most of his legitimate earnings on gambling, which probably made him desperate enough to match fix so he could get more money to gamble away, or payoff gambling debts.
So Life is basically SC2's version of a child celebrity... seems all awesome on the outside until a year or two passes and all the dark shit behind the scenes comes to light. (though a source for that sort of allegation would be nice)
Really makes me sad for eSports and SC2to read things like this. After knowing the 'truth' though, this helps to shed some light on Life's inconsistencies throughout his career.
On April 22 2016 09:25 Charoisaur wrote: Life has won more in a harder era. The only argument for Mvp is that he has won more GSLs but I consider a blizzcon to be at least equal if not more impressive than a GSL. Also stating that life isn't anywhere near GOAT is just wrong and biased. Even if you think mvp is #1, life would still be extremely close no discussion on that.
Jürgen > Life. Life is probably the better player of those two, but Mvp is the greater
If e-sports gambling is anything like sports gambling, there will be wagers on the winner of a series and also on the number of games that will be won or loss. And the sequence of those games. And any random permutation of events that is remotely possible in that game.