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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 22 2016 01:11 GMT
#321
On April 22 2016 09:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Life's matchfixing shouldn't be a factor at all tbh, nothing to do with his achievements.
People who argue this do this from an emotional standpoint imo, which is bad.


one's story is part of greatness.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16079 Posts
April 22 2016 01:22 GMT
#322
On April 22 2016 10:11 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 09:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Life's matchfixing shouldn't be a factor at all tbh, nothing to do with his achievements.
People who argue this do this from an emotional standpoint imo, which is bad.


one's story is part of greatness.

Greatness is completely subjective. I can say Has is the greatest player of all time because of his genius pylon wall and you can't disprove it.
The only thing that can be somewhat objectively measured is the level of success a player had.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
arthisios
Profile Joined November 2013
United States1 Post
April 22 2016 01:28 GMT
#323
this is a dark day for Starcraft T-T
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 22 2016 01:38 GMT
#324
On April 22 2016 09:56 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 09:40 stuchiu wrote:
On April 22 2016 09:37 Charoisaur wrote:
There should be a poll on sc2 goat. Would give the most objective results.
When single people make lists it will always be biased.


If that's what you believe, then you'd need to take a poll first to see if a player should be able to be voted on if they were caught matchfixing as being a matchfixer may or may not be a quality people consider in GOAT.

Yeah probably pointless to make a poll now because many people just won't vote for life because he matchfixed.


If you believe voting would have given the most objective results for GOAT, then they would also give the most objective results for qualifications of GOAT.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 22 2016 01:46 GMT
#325
On April 22 2016 10:11 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 09:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Life's matchfixing shouldn't be a factor at all tbh, nothing to do with his achievements.
People who argue this do this from an emotional standpoint imo, which is bad.


one's story is part of greatness.

We aren't valuing if he is the greatest person ever, we are valuing if he is the greatest sc2 player ever.
He probably wouldn't get far in the first competition because of his matchfixing, the other one though...
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20-Minute-Jackal
Profile Joined May 2015
United States336 Posts
April 22 2016 01:51 GMT
#326
On April 22 2016 08:57 Lazare1969 wrote:
Life still has almost half a million dollars in prize money and that's not including team salary. He doesn't even have to make investments, he could just stash it all in a savings account with a decent interest rate and retire at the age of 19. Though he'd have to settle for a somewhat cheap life if he did that.

The grapevine says Life squandered most of his legitimate earnings on gambling, which probably made him desperate enough to match fix so he could get more money to gamble away, or payoff gambling debts.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States881 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 03:14:14
April 22 2016 03:13 GMT
#327
On April 22 2016 10:51 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 08:57 Lazare1969 wrote:
Life still has almost half a million dollars in prize money and that's not including team salary. He doesn't even have to make investments, he could just stash it all in a savings account with a decent interest rate and retire at the age of 19. Though he'd have to settle for a somewhat cheap life if he did that.

The grapevine says Life squandered most of his legitimate earnings on gambling, which probably made him desperate enough to match fix so he could get more money to gamble away, or payoff gambling debts.


So Life is basically SC2's version of a child celebrity... seems all awesome on the outside until a year or two passes and all the dark shit behind the scenes comes to light. (though a source for that sort of allegation would be nice)
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
April 22 2016 03:27 GMT
#328
I hope we don't get into a pattern where every other S+ tier zerg is a matchfixer... That's a real curse.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
April 22 2016 04:02 GMT
#329
at least he didn't promise to destroy everyone in 2016....
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
April 22 2016 04:06 GMT
#330
I come onto TL for the first time in a week after a really long day and see this. This sucks.

On April 22 2016 08:48 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 08:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
OtherWorld, we can only hope ^_-

Red_Viper...not cool man.

Sigbetting knows no mercy.


Well, at least this was funny.
meenamjah
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada51 Posts
April 22 2016 04:27 GMT
#331
All his accomplishments are now void. All championships and wins vacated. Good riddance.
Never delay until tomorrow what you can delay until next week.
MoonyD
Profile Joined December 2013
Australia191 Posts
April 22 2016 05:04 GMT
#332
Really makes me sad for eSports and SC2to read things like this. After knowing the 'truth' though, this helps to shed some light on Life's inconsistencies throughout his career.
The world wants to be deceived
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 22 2016 05:08 GMT
#333
Well, another huge blow.
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Balosaar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States35 Posts
April 22 2016 05:32 GMT
#334
So Life matchfixed in 2 matches... best of 5 series... vs Terminator and Dream???

umm...

He won those bests of 5's... (confused face)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_KeSPA_Cup_Season_1
2014 WCS Champion StarTale Life ... Best Zerg of Heart of the Swarm
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 05:41:18
April 22 2016 05:40 GMT
#335
On April 22 2016 14:32 Balosaar wrote:
So Life matchfixed in 2 matches... best of 5 series... vs Terminator and Dream???

umm...

He won those bests of 5's... (confused face)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_KeSPA_Cup_Season_1


He was only paid to fix one map in each series, not the series
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 22 2016 06:27 GMT
#336
On April 22 2016 09:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Life has won more in a harder era. The only argument for Mvp is that he has won more GSLs but I consider a blizzcon to be at least equal if not more impressive than a GSL.
Also stating that life isn't anywhere near GOAT is just wrong and biased. Even if you think mvp is #1, life would still be extremely close no discussion on that.

Jürgen > Life. Life is probably the better player of those two, but Mvp is the greater
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TomInKorea
Profile Joined April 2016
Korea (South)39 Posts
April 22 2016 06:37 GMT
#337
On April 22 2016 14:32 Balosaar wrote:
So Life matchfixed in 2 matches... best of 5 series... vs Terminator and Dream???

umm...

He won those bests of 5's... (confused face)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_KeSPA_Cup_Season_1


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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 06:54:17
April 22 2016 06:49 GMT
#338
This looks to be the match Life threw vs Dream


Starts at 13 min in the video.
fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
April 22 2016 06:54 GMT
#339
I cant believe this is even a thing...This is just too crazy to believe.
I'm terranfying
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
April 22 2016 06:54 GMT
#340
On April 22 2016 12:27 Caihead wrote:
I hope we don't get into a pattern where every other S+ tier zerg is a matchfixer... That's a real curse.

We really have to watch out for best zerg players in starcraft 3
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