Much as been said about the new tournament landscape in StarCraft II for 2016. The biggest complaint, of course, is the lack of opportunities for Korean players to travel and plunder the world for prize money. What was once a common occurrence for any major/premier tournament is now a rarity. In fact, we have yet to see a single "Global Circuit" Event.
While it's still premature to wallow in pessimism (after all, you may have noticed Carmac post all those tweets from his meetings in Korea), there's still a growing hunger to see how the world matches up with Korea. Or, rather, if the world has even made progress in catching up with the world's strongest country. Sure, NationWars showed that, perhaps, the gap is narrowing, but hardly anyone believes that to be the case in 1v1 competition. After almost 5 months of isolation, the fans yearn for a chance to see whether the bar is still out of reach.
Enter WCA and its Asian Spring Qualifier. This will, ostensibly, be the first "global circuit" event of 2016. Despite being limited only to Asian players at this point (and with information about the main event still to be announced), it gives us a taste of what's to come. The rest of the Asian region is shrouded in mystery for most foreign fans, and even though we've seen our share of unrestricted online competition, these qualifiers carry greater consequences. The winners will attend an offline event and act as representatives for an entire region, and we will have our first real global event.
Before the main online qualifier, however, 8 players must battle to decide 4 available slots. These 4 players will not only carry the flag of Korea into the Asian qualifiers; they will also be the standard by which we measure everyone else. There are some reservations however: only MVP and Afreeca are represented among the Proleague teams. In years past, we've seen stacked Korean qualifiers more difficult than the main event, and this 8 man field isn't quite the buffet we're used to. All 8 are talented, and in fact many count among Code S players, yet we've come to expect a gauntlet much bloodier than this. Any set of 4 players will be more than worthy, and you have to expect that they'll be the favorites come the main event.
Despite these reservations, it's still a global event, and the first in 2016. It's a meaningful moment in this year's tournament circuit, and hopefully more organizers open up their doors to truly global competition. Here's hoping this is just the appetizer.
In some ways, this is reminiscent of the Losira vs GuMiho matches of old. A zerg with late game confidence who's generally shown enough skill to be 'good' but not enough to be 'amazing' against...well, GuMiho. There's no real replacement for the Towel Terran, and watching his unique style continue into his third expansion is a real treat. Expect interesting, varied late-game matches from these two, or maybe just a bunch of roach/ravager all-ins if Curious deems GuMiho unworthy. Both of these guys have played with a renewed skill in Legacy, and whoever wins is a big favorite going forward.
Predictions
We've recently seen plenty of terrans taking on the zerg late game with all sorts of styles, from Maru and TY's skyterran variants, to Dream's bio-mine HotS standard, to Bomber's 'I guess we're still in 2013' mass bio style. GuMiho's certainly shown mastery of all of them, and notably beat ByuL in Proleague with an MMMM composition with liberator support. Still though, Curious is solid enough to take him on in the late game, and experienced enough to end things early should Plan A fail, and with the number of tricks on offer to zergs, could well edge out GuMiho in a tight series.
Patience made top four at SSL, but still can't find a way to earn respect in Korea thanks to SSL's slightly questionable qualifiers and generally abnormal format. In fact, all he's found is a 7-set losing streak since his win against RagnaroK, including an 0-2 against GuMiho. Unfortunately, the Blue Moon protoss probably won't find one here; Symbol has been unable to find his footing for yet another year, but at least a victory now (and especially later in the tournament) will help confirm Patience as having some sort of staying power. Whether he loses here or wins here, don't expect Patience to do much for another couple years when he comes to make a big splash again.
Predictions
Symbol is probably the weakest player in the whole Ro.8. Deprived of team support, and lacking any kind of results that could excite his fans, it's difficult to see where he can go from here. He looked to be the weakest player in the whole of Code S during the Ro.32 groups, but a decent run here could potentially get a few teams interested. He was, after all, one of the best zergs in Wings of Liberty history, and while it's been a good time since, there'll always be people hoping that the magic will come back. More likely, though, Patience crushes him in a one sided series.
Match three features two players whose histories in Starcraft 2 date back all the way to 2010. Both players carved out solid niches for themselves in Wings of Liberty—aLive with his success at foreign events, and Ryung with his mastery of TvT. aLive’s IPL 4 title crowned a period where he was among the most well-rounded terrans in Korea, and both players reached the GSL semifinals in 2012. However, the changes wrought by the arrival of the KeSPA brigade and the switch to Heart of the Swarm meant that neither player ever truly excelled in the later years of HotS (although aLive’s qualification for Blizzcon 2013 is often forgotten).
It’s therefore something of a surprise that the two players are back now, still fighting on in Legacy. aLive carved a spot for himself in early LotV terran play by being one of the first players to grasp the new mechanics of the race, especially the use of tankivacs, while Ryung enters this match fresh off a pair of wins in Proleague over herO and soO. This might be a match as old as time—Ryung holds a 21-9 record in games played (10-3 in matches) spread over the past five years—but it’s a match between two players who have picked up decidedly new tricks. As the third and final match between Afreeca and MVP, this is certainly the main event.
Predictions
While aLive certainly has the edge in Legacy results so far, I feel that TvT is his weakest matchup—he is a cumulative 0-5 in his last three televised TvTs. Now granted, those were against Maru, ByuN and TY—arguably the three finest TvTers in the world right now, but his play certainly didn’t impress too much. Ryung on the other hand pushed TY the full distance in Proleague, and could well have taken the win. Both have spotty online records, but I’m going with the former TvT king here.
Well, on paper this is the biggest mismatch of the four quarterfinals on offer. ByuN was the most feared terran in online competition throughout the infancy of LotV, and while he might have fallen hard in both starleagues (to RagnaroK and Stats in SSL, Curious in Code A), he’s still done enough offline for us to truly believe that he’s a dangerous player once again. Seed on the other hand has looked like a player set to struggle on the fringes of Code A. He might have qualified once more for Code S, but his play has looked pretty uninspired.
The most interesting aspect of this match, though, is the historical precedent which has blighted ByuN throughout his career. Back in GSL 2012 Season 3, ByuN was playing the best Starcraft of his life. Taking the lead 2-1 against Seed in the semifinals, he looked unstoppable. In game 4, ByuN’s hellion harassment tore Seed's mining bases apart, giving him a massive economic lead, before a gargantuan SCV pull looked to land the final blow. It never arrived. Seed held masterfully, delaying again and again with forcefields, before crushing the attack. After throwing game 4, ByuN never looked the same again, and quickly lost the deciding set.
After that, ByuN simply vanished. He went from one of the scariest players in the game to one flirting with the Code A boundary, before dropping off the radar entirely for the whole of HotS. After two GSL semifinals within a year, he hasn't made it past the group stages of Code S since. Now though, he’s back, and the question is; can Seed send ByuN off for another four year holiday? Or will the X-Team terran get his revenge?
Predictions
We haven’t seen much of Seed recently, but unless he’s changed it up entirely ByuN should be easily favoured here. Seed is the kind of deceptive player who’ll try to throw ByuN off his game with wonky timings and unexpected plays, but I can’t see him winning here at all should ByuN play to his usual level.
On April 14 2016 14:10 Haukinger wrote: Why should I care about koreans anyway? Why can't they just stay in korea and do their thing there and let the rest of the world do its own?
because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
Kekekeek build a wall to stop the filthy emmigrants from stealing ur jobs u cant do properly
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
I think their job is to win. Which is what they would be doing in your example.
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
can you prove that koreans don't attract numbers? Since when was it their job to do so? as far as I know their only job is to win, personal marketability is just a bonus.
Just because you don't have any interest in following koreans doesn't mean that they have no personality or that they are just some random people who are so good at "Exploiting the game engine".
oh and by the way, koreans vs foreigners is a pretty popular storyline in the SC2 community, its the reason why players like Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, HuK, Jinro, IdrA etc were pretty popular at their time, because they were beating koreans...
On April 14 2016 14:10 Haukinger wrote: Why should I care about koreans anyway? Why can't they just stay in korea and do their thing there and let the rest of the world do its own?
Simple. Lock Germans where they are, lock french where they are, lock foreigners in their own countries... etc
"Despite being limited only to Asian players at this point " How does it feel EU and NA players, huh?
Edit: Maybe they should do it like Starleague and invite one foreign player and put it against the strongest Korean. Just for the laugh of the Asian people.
Even though this seems to be a nice opportunity to see koreans vs someone not korean, I don't really see this as a "global" event as there are still players that are forbidden to participate.
I still have no idea what this tournament is, by what rules it is determined who plays in etc.. I really can't care too much about games when I don't know what their significance is.
On April 14 2016 18:15 SuperHofmann wrote: I can't understand if I need to be happy or not for this event
Me neither, too little information for now, but did they really restrict Korean participants having to be on either MVP or Afreeca? If so, it'd pretty underhwelming for potential viewers to see such limited competition again... Global is global, damn it, let anyone participate - best of the best, where's that gone?
On April 14 2016 18:15 SuperHofmann wrote: I can't understand if I need to be happy or not for this event
Me neither, too little information for now, but did they really restrict Korean participants having to be on either MVP or Afreeca? If so, it'd pretty underhwelming for potential viewers to see such limited competition again... Global is global, damn it, let anyone participate - best of the best, where's that gone?
Kespa basically do not allow OG kespa teams to play in unproven events now after the failure of WECG, and it doesn't help that both year's WCA main events have been shitstorms.
On April 14 2016 18:15 SuperHofmann wrote: I can't understand if I need to be happy or not for this event
Me neither, too little information for now, but did they really restrict Korean participants having to be on either MVP or Afreeca? If so, it'd pretty underhwelming for potential viewers to see such limited competition again... Global is global, damn it, let anyone participate - best of the best, where's that gone?
Kespa basically do not allow OG kespa teams to play in unproven events now after the failure of WECG, and it doesn't help that both year's WCA main events have been shitstorms.
Thanks for pointing that out, didn't even know WCA has been around for a bit.
On April 14 2016 18:15 SuperHofmann wrote: I can't understand if I need to be happy or not for this event
Me neither, too little information for now, but did they really restrict Korean participants having to be on either MVP or Afreeca? If so, it'd pretty underhwelming for potential viewers to see such limited competition again... Global is global, damn it, let anyone participate - best of the best, where's that gone?
Kespa basically do not allow OG kespa teams to play in unproven events now after the failure of WECG, and it doesn't help that both year's WCA main events have been shitstorms.
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
can you prove that koreans don't attract numbers? Since when was it their job to do so? as far as I know their only job is to win, personal marketability is just a bonus.
Just because you don't have any interest in following koreans doesn't mean that they have no personality or that they are just some random people who are so good at "Exploiting the game engine".
oh and by the way, koreans vs foreigners is a pretty popular storyline in the SC2 community, its the reason why players like Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, HuK, Jinro, IdrA etc were pretty popular at their time, because they were beating koreans...
Incidentally, (I'm not sure about Jinro) but most of those foreigners also had very distinct playstyles and personalities. So, yes, we liked them because they could beat Koreans, but we also liked them because of personalities.
And similarly, the "fan favourite" Koreans like Polt, MC, PartinG and others are well-liked because they also have more distinct personalities and have communicated at least somewhat in English to the fans.
So yes, while I agree that any good player can draw a crowd, people also like watching for the players' personalities.
On April 14 2016 18:15 SuperHofmann wrote: I can't understand if I need to be happy or not for this event
Me neither, too little information for now, but did they really restrict Korean participants having to be on either MVP or Afreeca? If so, it'd pretty underhwelming for potential viewers to see such limited competition again... Global is global, damn it, let anyone participate - best of the best, where's that gone?
Kespa basically do not allow OG kespa teams to play in unproven events now after the failure of WECG, and it doesn't help that both year's WCA main events have been shitstorms.
Thanks for the info.
Ehm, what is OG in this case? oO Thanks! :-)
Older kespa teams aka SKT, KT, CJ, Samsung and Jin Air.
On April 14 2016 18:15 SuperHofmann wrote: I can't understand if I need to be happy or not for this event
Me neither, too little information for now, but did they really restrict Korean participants having to be on either MVP or Afreeca? If so, it'd pretty underhwelming for potential viewers to see such limited competition again... Global is global, damn it, let anyone participate - best of the best, where's that gone?
Kespa basically do not allow OG kespa teams to play in unproven events now after the failure of WECG, and it doesn't help that both year's WCA main events have been shitstorms.
On April 14 2016 18:15 SuperHofmann wrote: I can't understand if I need to be happy or not for this event
Me neither, too little information for now, but did they really restrict Korean participants having to be on either MVP or Afreeca? If so, it'd pretty underhwelming for potential viewers to see such limited competition again... Global is global, damn it, let anyone participate - best of the best, where's that gone?
Kespa basically do not allow OG kespa teams to play in unproven events now after the failure of WECG, and it doesn't help that both year's WCA main events have been shitstorms.
Thanks for the info.
Ehm, what is OG in this case? oO Thanks! :-)
Older kespa teams aka SKT, KT, CJ, Samsung and Jin Air.
On April 14 2016 18:15 SuperHofmann wrote: I can't understand if I need to be happy or not for this event
Me neither, too little information for now, but did they really restrict Korean participants having to be on either MVP or Afreeca? If so, it'd pretty underhwelming for potential viewers to see such limited competition again... Global is global, damn it, let anyone participate - best of the best, where's that gone?
Kespa basically do not allow OG kespa teams to play in unproven events now after the failure of WECG, and it doesn't help that both year's WCA main events have been shitstorms.
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
can you prove that koreans don't attract numbers? Since when was it their job to do so? as far as I know their only job is to win, personal marketability is just a bonus.
Just because you don't have any interest in following koreans doesn't mean that they have no personality or that they are just some random people who are so good at "Exploiting the game engine".
oh and by the way, koreans vs foreigners is a pretty popular storyline in the SC2 community, its the reason why players like Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, HuK, Jinro, IdrA etc were pretty popular at their time, because they were beating koreans...
Incidentally, (I'm not sure about Jinro) but most of those foreigners also had very distinct playstyles and personalities. So, yes, we liked them because they could beat Koreans, but we also liked them because of personalities.
And similarly, the "fan favourite" Koreans like Polt, MC, PartinG and others are well-liked because they also have more distinct personalities and have communicated at least somewhat in English to the fans.
So yes, while I agree that any good player can draw a crowd, people also like watching for the players' personalities.
like I said, everything outside of their performance as a player is a bonus.
On April 14 2016 19:18 shabby wrote: Isn't it strange to have different rules for different kespa teams?
Well, MVP and Afreeca (Startale) were eSF teams who only came into the KeSPA fold because of Proleague. Naturally, KeSPA is a bit more protective of "their" teams.
On April 14 2016 19:18 shabby wrote: Isn't it strange to have different rules for different kespa teams?
Well, MVP and Afreeca (Startale) were eSF teams who only came into the KeSPA fold because of Proleague. Naturally, KeSPA is a bit more protective of "their" teams.
Yeah I know they're "new school", but they have to adhere to all other Kespa rules, and have been in the fold for a few years now.
Tournaments should just stack packets of dollar bills on the podium instead of the trophy for the players to take them immediately after their elimination or victory. Problem solved.
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
Koreans produce the most entertaining games lol. The only interesting storylines produced by foreigners are when they manage to beat Korean (offline especially).
Proof is that people don't give much shit when a foreigner wins a foreigners only tourney (ex: Harstem recently) but they like to see koreans vs foreigners even tho it's one sided (ex: the foreigners vs koreans event the day after Harstem won).
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
Koreans produce the most entertaining games lol. The only interesting storylines produced by foreigners are when they manage to beat Korean (offline especially).
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
So...
Koreans don't attract people.
There is a reason for eSport to be on TV in their country and not yours. (and it was already 10 years earlier). (and i mean national TV)
Koreans do not produce entertaining games.
I am so sorry. I don't know what to answer you. Every week SPL have fantastic games. Fantastic builds. their is so much wrong in this statement i don't know what to say to you.
Storylines.
Well.. Ever heard of rivalries ? Rivalries are mainly KR vs KR. Sometimes not but they are mainly koreans.
Flying 3:0 koreans. Well... why are they 3:0 everyone ? Hint : "because they are better". And of course. WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THE WORLD watch the best players. I mean... the olympics ? Soccer world cup ? Roland Garros ? i mean... no one is interested in best players.
Hype in the name of the first global of 2016! Time for some fun games!
FFW_Rude: I was typing my own response before I decided not get baited into answering something unpleasant in the face of something so horribly unfair.
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
If you think that any of the eight Koreans in the Asian qualifiers are irrelevant unknowns, then you know even less about SC2 than your racist posting suggests.
Hopefully this will be just as bad as everyone really thinks, and it will be the final nail in the coffin for SC2 so that we can move on to something greater. Here´s me hoping.
On April 14 2016 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:because they're better than the rest of the world and the rest of the world would like to topple them, would you not like your favorite player to beat the koreans?
They might be better at exploiting the features of the engine, but not at attracting viewers and producing entertaining games and storylines, and that's essentially their job. I really wonders who would cheer for some random korean that flies over to dreamhack, 3:0s everyone, grabs the price money and leaves?
I would cheer for them. Particularly a Korean who has more personality like Parting or Solar or has a neat playstyle like sOs. Even if not I just like gawking at amazing play.
On April 15 2016 01:28 Ohyra wrote: Hopefully this will be just as bad as everyone really thinks, and it will be the final nail in the coffin for SC2 so that we can move on to something greater. Here´s me hoping.
User was warned for this post
Just waiting for the something greater. What is it ?
On April 14 2016 19:58 opisska wrote: Tournaments should just stack packets of dollar bills on the podium instead of the trophy for the players to take them immediately after their elimination or victory. Problem solved.
Red Bull used to do this. WEC in China in 2014 did as well, when EG won they gave them a suitcase with 100k in it and said good luck. It didn't make it past customs.
On April 14 2016 19:58 opisska wrote: Tournaments should just stack packets of dollar bills on the podium instead of the trophy for the players to take them immediately after their elimination or victory. Problem solved.
Red Bull used to do this. WEC in China in 2014 did as well, when EG won they gave them a suitcase with 100k in it and said good luck. It didn't make it past customs.
Wait, what, the customs just took the money and that was it? Or they just had to declare it?
On April 14 2016 19:58 opisska wrote: Tournaments should just stack packets of dollar bills on the podium instead of the trophy for the players to take them immediately after their elimination or victory. Problem solved.
Red Bull used to do this. WEC in China in 2014 did as well, when EG won they gave them a suitcase with 100k in it and said good luck. It didn't make it past customs.
Wait, what, the customs just took the money and that was it? Or they just had to declare it?
No idea. You can't bring more than 20000 CNY (~3k USD) in cash in and out of China without doing some declaration stuff I have no idea how works. I attended WEC (the event with the infamous EG suitcase) and didn't know about this, so in order to prevent having to deal with customs/possible confiscations or unexpected problems I ended up handing over ~$13k usd in cash to a tournament admin for bank transfer later. Carrying that much cash alone is pretty scary, trusting a stranger with that much cash is scary, and waiting 3 months for the tournament to pay out through bank transfer is also scary. Cash is just annoying, either you need to know in advance how certain customs procedures work and also sometimes banks are just closed due to national holidays so even if you win cash you might not be able to deposit it for a while