EPTA Change to the Oracle - Page 2
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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bartus88
Netherlands491 Posts
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g2s
22 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:28 bartus88 wrote: Having a few disagreeing voices would have been good for the article I think; 8/9 are positive and only 1 is neutral. I would like to hear from pro-players who are opposed to this. They all died 4 minutes after this post to zerglingrushes. Inb4 DK "we think the oracle change will also be good for protoss in pvz, lets explore and wait and see what happends in july". | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Oracles having armored tag would likely balance the power between the stargate route and the non-stargate routes. For example: instead of needing three stalkers per mineral line in early game, you could perhaps get away with two (stalkers have ten base damage and fourteen damage to armored). Flattening stalker AA damage as suggested in other threads (to stabilize vs PvZ muta) would also have the same effect against oracle+phoenix without affecting other stuff much right now | ||
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OSCEWiNtER
Hungary20 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:52 Cyro wrote: Flattening stalker AA damage as suggested in other threads (to stabilize vs PvZ muta) would also have the same effect vs oracle And help stalkers fend off phoenixes easier too (let's see if i get it right this time heh). | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 14 2016 02:48 TwiggyWan wrote: The change would probably be good but visually the unit does not look armored at all... Tell me why a CC cant land on a burrowed ling hten. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:56 stuchiu wrote: Tell me why a CC cant land on a burrowed ling hten. asking the hard hitting questions, true journalist  | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:03 MorroW wrote: attribute Armored is different from Armor. voidray is an example of an armored unit that has 0 armor. its just coincidence that most Armored units have 1 base armor http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Void_Ray_(Heart_of_the_Swarm) And there we go. I thought all armored units started with 1 armor. Thanks yo. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:57 Musicus wrote: asking the hard hitting questions, true journalist I dont know why when a widow mine goes into an assimilator/refinery/extractor it doesnt explode like the movies. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:59 stuchiu wrote: I dont know why when a widow mine goes into an assimilator/refinery/extractor it doesnt explode like the movies. I guess vespene gas is not inflammable and instead suffocates the explosion? But a drone that morphs into a spore, while being shot by a mine, also doesn't explode, so I don't know. | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
If oracle openings disappear we will be back to wol state. No idea if people remember wol. You could not open with stargate because of dark templar rushes. You had no way to detect them. The oracle might still exist but if oracle can't deal enough damage, justify its cost so early in the game, nobody will open with an oracle and because of late detection players will avoid stargate openings at all. Oracle can kill workers fast because it needs to justify its prize. The impact of an oracle in later stages of the game is very small. This change just seems to make the game easier, more predictable, for proplayers. We all admire partings oracle micro and how much he can get out of it, we wont see that anymore. On the otherside if oracles get actually +1 armor it will be much stronger against marins. But if you play the game in dia league or lower you can just put a turret in every match. You dont need to cut every corner like a proplayer to have a chance. Its even better for you because you have not the reaction of a proplayer and a turret will help you with all kind of harassment. If people try to copy proplayers they just do more and bigger mistakes. I wish they would just add a second queen or a macro hatch when they can't inject in time instead of complaining on forums about macro mechanics or getting frustrated. EDIT: Are phoenix wars not very rare? I havent seen a single game yet! Arent the phoenixes the problem? Also i only commented on oracle getting armored tag. | ||
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Clear World
125 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:56 stuchiu wrote: Tell me why a CC cant land on a burrowed ling hten. Just because there exist some situations in which gameplay interaction has to go aganist visual presenation, that doesn't mean visual presentation should be something ignore just for 'balance' sake. Visual presentation is desired to quickly clue in the players to what is happeneing or what this unit. Just imagine making Parasitic Bomb look like guardian shield (a bubble sphere). It would be confusing on why it is even dealing damage anyone. Or what about, make the Thor a light unit. If the point of the tag is for balance sake, why bother giving a name that implies a certain apperence. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3561 Posts
Grand Arbiter MorroW has spoken!, I feel a little bad for the sorry Terrans out there, who doesn't have MorroW to vouch for their shitty mirror matchup. | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
On March 14 2016 03:36 g2s wrote: They all died 4 minutes after this post to zerglingrushes. Inb4 DK "we think the oracle change will also be good for protoss in pvz, lets explore and wait and see what happends in july". Wait what july and Zerg in the same sentence..did David Kim just announce a July Zerg comebaaack? ...sorry, got carried away there for a second by a golden mouse flashback  | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 14 2016 04:04 Clear World wrote: Just because there exist some situations in which gameplay interaction has to go aganist visual presenation, that doesn't mean visual presentation should be something ignore just for 'balance' sake. Visual presentation is desired to quickly clue in the players to what is happeneing or what this unit. Just imagine making Parasitic Bomb look like guardian shield (a bubble sphere). It would be confusing on why it is even dealing damage anyone. Or what about, make the Thor a light unit. If the point of the tag is for balance sake, why bother giving a name that implies a certain apperence. why is a hellbat healable by a medivac and a hellion not? | ||
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Nathanias
United States290 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Nor do I think it matters as an eSport. Among the popular eSports, Dota2 and LoL are both visually a complete mess and it has little to no detraction as spectator games. | ||
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