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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar |
On January 31 2016 18:37 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:13 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:12 WrathSCII wrote:On January 31 2016 18:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:10 Cokefreak wrote:
Fuck my Life. True sAviOr of my Life, too. I think I can focus on my work now. Who can focus on work with all this drama in the air? The one who`s gonna quit following this scene? I dunno. But I put up with sAviOr, Prime and Sonic`s flaunting. And we got Life. I`m wondering if there`s any value left to follow this scene. I don't understand this logic. If you love sc2 and watching high level tournaments, then matchfixing won't suddenly make you not love sc2. Maybe you watch the games with a more open mind. Obviously, if convicted, I've lost respect for Life as a person. But as a player I still think he is one of the greatest and nothing can take that from him. You don't win multiple gsl by throwing matches.
Are you kidding? I'm seriously questioning if I'll ever watch Korean SC2 again at this point. If players of a high enough profile like LIFE are allegedly taking part, then how can we ever be sure the matches we've watched in the past or watch in the future are legit?
This is a huge deal. It casts a huge cloud over the entire legitimacy of the game itself.
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On January 31 2016 18:33 Nabe wrote:
Really unbelievable...
이들은 SKT 프로리그 2015 시즌1 등 e스포츠 '스타크래프트 2' 5경기에서 돈을 주고받으며 승부조작을 벌인 혐의를 받았다.
Is this saying he did it in five games?
No, this was in reference to Gerrard and the other guys who were arrested last year.
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On January 31 2016 18:41 Lorning wrote:
crickey
That's not how you spell that word.
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On January 31 2016 18:36 Boucot wrote:
By the way, what sentences did YoDa, B4 and Gerrard get ?
The article just says they have been prosecuted, so I assume the trial has not been held yet.
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On January 31 2016 18:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:37 TRaFFiC wrote:On January 31 2016 18:13 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:12 WrathSCII wrote:On January 31 2016 18:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:10 Cokefreak wrote:
Fuck my Life. True sAviOr of my Life, too. I think I can focus on my work now. Who can focus on work with all this drama in the air? The one who`s gonna quit following this scene? I dunno. But I put up with sAviOr, Prime and Sonic`s flaunting. And we got Life. I`m wondering if there`s any value left to follow this scene. I don't understand this logic. If you love sc2 and watching high level tournaments, then matchfixing won't suddenly make you not love sc2. Maybe you watch the games with a more open mind. Obviously, if convicted, I've lost respect for Life as a person. But as a player I still think he is one of the greatest and nothing can take that from him. You don't win multiple gsl by throwing matches. Are you kidding? I'm seriously questioning if I'll ever watch Korean SC2 again at this point. If players of a high enough profile like LIFE are allegedly taking part, then how can we ever be sure the matches we've watched in the past or watch in the future are legit? This is a huge deal. It casts a huge cloud over the entire legitimacy of the game itself.
So far the only players involved in any sort of SC2 match-fixing are old school ESF players that sort of lack professionalism compared to Kespa teams. I know that life was on KT but that was a very recent thing, relatively speaking. I dont think any player who spent their whole career on KT, SKT, Jin Air, or Samsung will be implicated in this way, and right now these are basically all of the best players on the scene anyways.
The other thing is that match-fixing really happens more in games that seemingly dont matter as much, like random proleague matches, low-rounds in bigger tourneys, or in smaller tourneys that have a small prize pool. I don't think anyone is insane enough to throw a GSL Ro8 match, for example.
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Can you wait til someone is an adult and charge them for crimes they did as a child?
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On January 31 2016 18:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:37 TRaFFiC wrote:On January 31 2016 18:13 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:12 WrathSCII wrote:On January 31 2016 18:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:10 Cokefreak wrote:
Fuck my Life. True sAviOr of my Life, too. I think I can focus on my work now. Who can focus on work with all this drama in the air? The one who`s gonna quit following this scene? I dunno. But I put up with sAviOr, Prime and Sonic`s flaunting. And we got Life. I`m wondering if there`s any value left to follow this scene. I don't understand this logic. If you love sc2 and watching high level tournaments, then matchfixing won't suddenly make you not love sc2. Maybe you watch the games with a more open mind. Obviously, if convicted, I've lost respect for Life as a person. But as a player I still think he is one of the greatest and nothing can take that from him. You don't win multiple gsl by throwing matches. Are you kidding? I'm seriously questioning if I'll ever watch Korean SC2 again at this point. If players of a high enough profile like LIFE are allegedly taking part, then how can we ever be sure the matches we've watched in the past or watch in the future are legit? This is a huge deal. It casts a huge cloud over the entire legitimacy of the game itself.
It sounds like a copout to me. Using this event as an excuse. It doesn't really bother me so much. If someone "throws" I just assume they are really bad.
I do think that perhaps the sweep it under the rug attitude that I see circling around among casters in Korea is not the right way to go. Match fixing needs to be exposed entirely to kill it.
edit: misread
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On January 31 2016 18:44 alexanderzero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On January 31 2016 18:37 TRaFFiC wrote:On January 31 2016 18:13 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:12 WrathSCII wrote:On January 31 2016 18:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:10 Cokefreak wrote:
Fuck my Life. True sAviOr of my Life, too. I think I can focus on my work now. Who can focus on work with all this drama in the air? The one who`s gonna quit following this scene? I dunno. But I put up with sAviOr, Prime and Sonic`s flaunting. And we got Life. I`m wondering if there`s any value left to follow this scene. I don't understand this logic. If you love sc2 and watching high level tournaments, then matchfixing won't suddenly make you not love sc2. Maybe you watch the games with a more open mind. Obviously, if convicted, I've lost respect for Life as a person. But as a player I still think he is one of the greatest and nothing can take that from him. You don't win multiple gsl by throwing matches. Are you kidding? I'm seriously questioning if I'll ever watch Korean SC2 again at this point. If players of a high enough profile like LIFE are allegedly taking part, then how can we ever be sure the matches we've watched in the past or watch in the future are legit? This is a huge deal. It casts a huge cloud over the entire legitimacy of the game itself. So far the only players involved in any sort of SC2 match-fixing are old school ESF players that sort of lack professionalism compared to Kespa teams. I know that life was on KT but that was a very recent thing, relatively speaking. I dont think any player who spent their whole career on KT, SKT, Jin Air, or Samsung will be implicated in this way, and right now these are basically all of the best players on the scene anyways. The other thing is that match-fixing really happens more in games that seemingly dont matter as much, like random proleague matches, low-rounds in bigger tourneys, or in smaller tourneys that have a small prize pool. I don't think anyone is insane enough to throw a GSL Ro8 match, for example.
I didn't think a multiple GSL and Blizzcon winner was insane enough to get mixed up match-fixing, either.
On January 31 2016 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Can you wait til someone is an adult and charge them for crimes they did as a child?
I sure hope not. That would be monumentally shady.
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On January 31 2016 18:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:37 TRaFFiC wrote:On January 31 2016 18:13 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:12 WrathSCII wrote:On January 31 2016 18:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:10 Cokefreak wrote:
Fuck my Life. True sAviOr of my Life, too. I think I can focus on my work now. Who can focus on work with all this drama in the air? The one who`s gonna quit following this scene? I dunno. But I put up with sAviOr, Prime and Sonic`s flaunting. And we got Life. I`m wondering if there`s any value left to follow this scene. I don't understand this logic. If you love sc2 and watching high level tournaments, then matchfixing won't suddenly make you not love sc2. Maybe you watch the games with a more open mind. Obviously, if convicted, I've lost respect for Life as a person. But as a player I still think he is one of the greatest and nothing can take that from him. You don't win multiple gsl by throwing matches. Are you kidding? I'm seriously questioning if I'll ever watch Korean SC2 again at this point. If players of a high enough profile like LIFE are allegedly taking part, then how can we ever be sure the matches we've watched in the past or watch in the future are legit? This is a huge deal. It casts a huge cloud over the entire legitimacy of the game itself.
If the cheating players and their backers are being caught and banned for life (and suffering whatever other criminal penalties that have been levied) then that would be a decisive deterrent against further cheating. That's the hope at least.
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On January 31 2016 18:45 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Can you wait til someone is an adult and charge them for crimes they did as a child?
The point of time when you committed the crime is all that counts. No matter how old you are when you get charged, or are brought to trial
Edit: I actually only know about German law, but most law systems, especially in asia are modelled after the European continetal law system and copied France and Germany.
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Not sure if my passion can handle this if Life has done something this stupid...
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On January 31 2016 18:44 alexanderzero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On January 31 2016 18:37 TRaFFiC wrote:On January 31 2016 18:13 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:12 WrathSCII wrote:On January 31 2016 18:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:10 Cokefreak wrote:
Fuck my Life. True sAviOr of my Life, too. I think I can focus on my work now. Who can focus on work with all this drama in the air? The one who`s gonna quit following this scene? I dunno. But I put up with sAviOr, Prime and Sonic`s flaunting. And we got Life. I`m wondering if there`s any value left to follow this scene. I don't understand this logic. If you love sc2 and watching high level tournaments, then matchfixing won't suddenly make you not love sc2. Maybe you watch the games with a more open mind. Obviously, if convicted, I've lost respect for Life as a person. But as a player I still think he is one of the greatest and nothing can take that from him. You don't win multiple gsl by throwing matches. Are you kidding? I'm seriously questioning if I'll ever watch Korean SC2 again at this point. If players of a high enough profile like LIFE are allegedly taking part, then how can we ever be sure the matches we've watched in the past or watch in the future are legit? This is a huge deal. It casts a huge cloud over the entire legitimacy of the game itself. So far the only players involved in any sort of SC2 match-fixing are old school ESF players that sort of lack professionalism compared to Kespa teams. I know that life was on KT but that was a very recent thing, relatively speaking. I dont think any player who spent their whole career on KT, SKT, Jin Air, or Samsung will be implicated in this way, and right now these are basically all of the best players on the scene anyways. The other thing is that match-fixing really happens more in games that seemingly dont matter as much, like random proleague matches, low-rounds in bigger tourneys, or in smaller tourneys that have a small prize pool. I don't think anyone is insane enough to throw a GSL Ro8 match, for example.
I don't see why Kespa teams would be immune to match fixing. If it happened once on their teams it can happen twice. I don't think any sport or team is immune to match fixing tbh.
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he turned 18 last year on January 11th.
there's nothing to hide behind...
I feel sorry for him still. him and his family...
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On January 31 2016 18:44 alexanderzero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On January 31 2016 18:37 TRaFFiC wrote:On January 31 2016 18:13 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:12 WrathSCII wrote:On January 31 2016 18:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:10 Cokefreak wrote:
Fuck my Life. True sAviOr of my Life, too. I think I can focus on my work now. Who can focus on work with all this drama in the air? The one who`s gonna quit following this scene? I dunno. But I put up with sAviOr, Prime and Sonic`s flaunting. And we got Life. I`m wondering if there`s any value left to follow this scene. I don't understand this logic. If you love sc2 and watching high level tournaments, then matchfixing won't suddenly make you not love sc2. Maybe you watch the games with a more open mind. Obviously, if convicted, I've lost respect for Life as a person. But as a player I still think he is one of the greatest and nothing can take that from him. You don't win multiple gsl by throwing matches. Are you kidding? I'm seriously questioning if I'll ever watch Korean SC2 again at this point. If players of a high enough profile like LIFE are allegedly taking part, then how can we ever be sure the matches we've watched in the past or watch in the future are legit? This is a huge deal. It casts a huge cloud over the entire legitimacy of the game itself. So far the only players involved in any sort of SC2 match-fixing are old school ESF players that sort of lack professionalism compared to Kespa teams. I know that life was on KT but that was a very recent thing, relatively speaking. I dont think any player who spent their whole career on KT, SKT, Jin Air, or Samsung will be implicated in this way, and right now these are basically all of the best players on the scene anyways. The other thing is that match-fixing really happens more in games that seemingly dont matter as much, like random proleague matches, low-rounds in bigger tourneys, or in smaller tourneys that have a small prize pool. I don't think anyone is insane enough to throw a GSL Ro8 match, for example.
Seems like you're profiling anyone who wasn't on a KeSPA team before to be a potential match fixer. Being on KeSPA doesn't suddenly make you a innocent little flower.
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I didn't think a multiple GSL and Blizzcon winner was insane enough to get mixed up match-fixing, either.
It's his perception of things that matters. And such a youngster is likely to be the target of match-fixing brokers
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On January 31 2016 18:53 BeStFAN wrote:
he turned 18 last year on January 11th.
there's nothing to hide behind...
I feel sorry for him still. him and his family...
Well, if the match fixing occurred when he was still a minor, that could drastically change the trial/sentencing prospects. Not sure how it works in Korea, though.
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On January 31 2016 18:54 olimoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 18:44 alexanderzero wrote:On January 31 2016 18:39 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On January 31 2016 18:37 TRaFFiC wrote:On January 31 2016 18:13 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:12 WrathSCII wrote:On January 31 2016 18:11 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 31 2016 18:10 Cokefreak wrote:
Fuck my Life. True sAviOr of my Life, too. I think I can focus on my work now. Who can focus on work with all this drama in the air? The one who`s gonna quit following this scene? I dunno. But I put up with sAviOr, Prime and Sonic`s flaunting. And we got Life. I`m wondering if there`s any value left to follow this scene. I don't understand this logic. If you love sc2 and watching high level tournaments, then matchfixing won't suddenly make you not love sc2. Maybe you watch the games with a more open mind. Obviously, if convicted, I've lost respect for Life as a person. But as a player I still think he is one of the greatest and nothing can take that from him. You don't win multiple gsl by throwing matches. Are you kidding? I'm seriously questioning if I'll ever watch Korean SC2 again at this point. If players of a high enough profile like LIFE are allegedly taking part, then how can we ever be sure the matches we've watched in the past or watch in the future are legit? This is a huge deal. It casts a huge cloud over the entire legitimacy of the game itself. So far the only players involved in any sort of SC2 match-fixing are old school ESF players that sort of lack professionalism compared to Kespa teams. I know that life was on KT but that was a very recent thing, relatively speaking. I dont think any player who spent their whole career on KT, SKT, Jin Air, or Samsung will be implicated in this way, and right now these are basically all of the best players on the scene anyways. The other thing is that match-fixing really happens more in games that seemingly dont matter as much, like random proleague matches, low-rounds in bigger tourneys, or in smaller tourneys that have a small prize pool. I don't think anyone is insane enough to throw a GSL Ro8 match, for example. Seems like you're profiling anyone who wasn't on a KeSPA team before to be a potential match fixer. Being on KeSPA doesn't suddenly make you a innocent little flower.
the original match fixing scandal involved so many kespa teams and veteran players on teams...
including airforce ace
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Just heard from Neuro the zerg player that Life loves to gamble.
That he loves blackjack roulette etc. He even lost 40.000 in one night at that games.
Maybe life betted on others games and not himself? Or maybe he has a terrible gamble addiction and he needed that money because all of his money is already gone?
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