On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed.
On January 31 2016 19:43 egernya wrote: So this is the game that Korean scene's the most suspicious about.
Especially because on Korean version of the vod, casters said that something like this cannot happen, and Life smiled when he saw Solar's zerglings that he couldn't defend, and at 3:00, Life had a weird face for a moment when the overlord turns after him seeing the creep.
Didn't see any facial expression change at the time the overlord changed direction.
He didn't start smiling immediately after seeing Solar's zerglings. Only when they got into his main. That could have been a smile out of frustration. An "Oh, you're all-in" sort of smile.
But why would he want to avoid scouting Solar? Did he know that Solar was going 10pool and so wanted to avoid seeing the lings leave? Is it something that Solar always did in ZvZ back in 2014?
Isn't this supposed to have happened during 2015 though?
From OP: "Prosecutors did not reveal specific charges beyond the fact that they were related to StarCraft match-fixing in 2015, saying the investigation was still ongoing."
Whatever game(s) he fixed, it is not really relevant to us. And also the prosecutor will most likely tell us the specific games at some point like he did with Yoda and BBBBs games.
What is more terrible, that I do not see Starcraft II surviving this. This could be the final nail in the coffin for KESPA to leave SC II.
On January 31 2016 21:10 Glorfindel! wrote: Well if Life feels the need to do this I am actually not sure we can trust anyone within the scene.. Life if anyone should be able to make a living out of the game without needing extra moneys.
Everybody has a price, it's always about "how much more money can I make?!" There is no honor system, that stops the greed...it's human nature I suppose...
If Life is found guilty for this I won't jump the hate wagon as everybody is.
First I will blame KeSPA, cause really Life is just a kid and he should have been protected from the influence of match fixers. The fact such a star, in one of the biggest team, can fall in that trap just shows how KeSPA is totally unable to fight illegal betting.
Savior was kind of a first, so the element of surprise can be taken into account. If after all the warning and rumors KeSPA failed again to protect themself against illegal betting (cause this scandal will severly damage their business) it may just mean they're not able at all to be an esport organization.
For KeSPA, this failure would be an humiliation. CEO should resign at the very least.
Second, I would blame the Korean system as whole, because if illegal betting is so strong it can humiliate KeSPA this hard, it means legal authorities are just inefficient in preventing it.
So peole can accuse Life of killing sc2 korean pro scene all they want, they can insult him all thread long, fact remains that the problem is not about a kid fucking up his career, the problem is about a system that is unable to prevent it.
Anyway, I still hope he can be innocented, even if the future look very grim for him.
maybe he was framed? or his family was in danger - don't forget it's organized crime, threats may be common way to blackmail those who do not want to "cooperate".
ehhhhhhhhh why you Life? why it had to be you?....
his sc2 career was more or less donezo unless he suddenly improved in lotv but seeing the massive changes to zerg he probably would have just fell away.
If he made some extra cash with the match fixing then good for him.
This will the the most depressing start to SPL ever. It will be odd watching casters, players and coaches talking about the the league, while everyone is just thinking about the whole life situation.
Well, to me it seems that they aren't too sure if he's guilty or not, tbh. At least they didn't cancel his game, they postponed it. I'd assume, if the case was as clear as some here assume it to be, they'd just have cancelled his Code A game.
On January 31 2016 21:16 FlaShFTW wrote: how mirrored is this to savior's story lol. jumps into the scene, revolutionizes something (zergling control), becomes a god, falls, starts slumping, match fix. good lord.
Life was not really slumping that hard during that period was he? I think connecting the dots is easier when you wanna. Life has always been kinda slacky after some time during the season and picked it up before the final events.
On January 31 2016 21:21 Gwavajuice wrote: If Life is found guilty for this I won't jump the hate wagon as everybody is.
First I will blame KeSPA, cause really Life is just a kid and he should have been protected from the influence of match fixers. The fact such a star, in one of the biggest team, can fall in that trap just shows how KeSPA is totally unable to fight illegal betting.
Savior was kind of a first, so the element of surprise can be taken into account. If after all the warning and rumors KeSPA failed again to protect themself against illegal betting (cause this scandal will severly damage their business) it may just mean they're not able at all to be an esport organization.
For KeSPA, this failure would be an humiliation. CEO should resign at the very least.
Second, I would blame the Korean system as whole, because if illegal betting is so strong it can humiliate KeSPA this hard, it means legal authorities are just inefficient in preventing it.
So peole can accuse Life of killing sc2 korean pro scene all they want, they can insult him all thread long, fact remains that the problem is not about a kid fucking up his career, the problem is about a system that is unable to prevent it.
Anyway, I still hope he can be innocented, even if the future look very grim for him.
On January 31 2016 21:24 MasterCynical wrote: his sc2 career was more or less donezo unless he suddenly improved in lotv but seeing the massive changes to zerg he probably would have just fell away.
If he made some extra cash with the match fixing then good for him.
Always look out for no.1
Lol ye sure OK if you don't think life can learn lotv ur misguided
at skt1 they have a bulletin board listing all the repercussions of match fixing as they enter the door into the team house. it's ultimately in the player's hands to decide that throwing games for money is not supposed to be a perfect crime, or one that their professional scene can handle.
there's a big difference between understanding the circumstance and fully accepting it.
On January 31 2016 21:24 MasterCynical wrote: his sc2 career was more or less donezo unless he suddenly improved in lotv but seeing the massive changes to zerg he probably would have just fell away.
If he made some extra cash with the match fixing then good for him.
Always look out for no.1
He got the second place in the GSL preseason. Lost to herO in the finals. Wouldn't consider that too horrible tbh.
On January 31 2016 21:21 Gwavajuice wrote: If Life is found guilty for this I won't jump the hate wagon as everybody is.
First I will blame KeSPA, cause really Life is just a kid and he should have been protected from the influence of match fixers. The fact such a star, in one of the biggest team, can fall in that trap just shows how KeSPA is totally unable to fight illegal betting.
Savior was kind of a first, so the element of surprise can be taken into account. If after all the warning and rumors KeSPA failed again to protect themself against illegal betting (cause this scandal will severly damage their business) it may just mean they're not able at all to be an esport organization.
For KeSPA, this failure would be an humiliation. CEO should resign at the very least.
Second, I would blame the Korean system as whole, because if illegal betting is so strong it can humiliate KeSPA this hard, it means legal authorities are just inefficient in preventing it.
So peole can accuse Life of killing sc2 korean pro scene all they want, they can insult him all thread long, fact remains that the problem is not about a kid fucking up his career, the problem is about a system that is unable to prevent it.
Anyway, I still hope he can be innocented, even if the future look very grim for him.
KeSPA should be blamed for everything, right?
Mister, KeSPA is not a big brother; it cannot watch everything that happens to the players unless KeSPA puts players into KeSPA Gaol and taps every telephone that players have.
I don't know anything, but I would like to suggest that the problem is with Proleague and the officiators. I don't feel like the organization is living up the the highest standards that they force there players to uphold just look at how skewed the teams are can't they put a damn salary cap or remove the pro from league
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