EPTYes, you read that right... 12 days after the team formed, Apocolypse eSports has disbanded.
Apocalypse eSports disbands
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Yes, you read that right... 12 days after the team formed, Apocolypse eSports has disbanded.
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
What a joke. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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BretZ
United States1510 Posts
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote: Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast. I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
 .Also big feels for the staff/players who got the shit end of this :/. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
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Ja.Y.
United States253 Posts
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woopr
United States111 Posts
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RaymondFish
United States42 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36961 Posts
On January 28 2016 14:21 pure.Wasted wrote: Ok, that's it. If your name ain't TB, you got no fucking business mysterious benefactoring anything anywhere near SC2. Agreed. Still such a damn shame that Axiom had to disband. I feel bad for the players and everyone else involved in this. Yet another unfortunate incident regarding new teams... :/ | ||
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sk1pv5
United States9 Posts
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Zailyn
Canada25 Posts
http://sc2online.com/forum/forum/news/general-news/506-new-team-apocalypse-esports-to-disband-management-considering-legal-action-against-the-teams-financier Myself and the other managers involved are doing the best we can to compensation players for any lost wages and such... Nothing else I can really say... Learn from our mistakes, if it sounds like its too good to be true... it probably is. | ||
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billynasty
United States260 Posts
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TechNoTrance
Canada1007 Posts
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digmouse
China6327 Posts
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RevTiberius
Canada353 Posts
And whenever I do, there's BS like this going on... sad, really I remember in 2010/11 when SC2 was brand new I was on Team Revoki, at the time a well-respected semi-professional SC2 team. I wasn't a good player (Top 8 Diamond), but a bit older and more mature than most members and helping out with day-to-day management of the team. There were many excellent players on the team, ranking from mid-master to mid-grandmaster, most of them teenagers. A lot of them had the misguided belief that they could become full-time e-sports professionals. My response to such ill-advised plans was always "Stay in School!". Maybe I said that because I was one of the lucky few who was able to turn a strong academic record in school into a lucrative corporate career. But I think I've my suspicions as to the financial sustainability of so-called "professional" teams have always been justified, especially at the lower end of the "professional" spectrum. Therefore, to make a long story short, I'm not surprised at this news. As far as SC2 is concerned, the whole e-sports business model only works for a few players at the very, very top. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:45 Phredxor wrote: Hope it all works out, but i'm pretty skeptical after all the other failures.. | ||
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Nomzter
Sweden2802 Posts
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HooHooH
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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Cluster__
United States328 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
can't understand | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49972 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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20-Minute-Jackal
United States336 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:08 Makro wrote: and yet players agreed to sign for that team can't understand History has shown that players are not the best when it comes to judgement. | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
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RoninKenshin
Canada97 Posts
I know that it's really hard for non-sponsored progamers to turn down any form of support or remuneration, but if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. I'm feel really bad for the players and the management who were all suckered by this idiot, but please do your homework from now on. The next time will be some pyramid or Ponzi scheme or whatever other scam if you're not careful. | ||
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NikaLogy
Denmark58 Posts
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Wrath
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20-Minute-Jackal
United States336 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:20 NikaLogy wrote: This of course SUCKS for the players, but i cant help but laugh at the ludicrous title and reasoning, with the owner being in psych ward. Did he set it all up and do it from in there? How did he even manage that? Yeah I bet the team was "founded" in a psych ward, only nobody bothered to check that fact. | ||
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NikaLogy
Denmark58 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:23 20-Minute-Jackal wrote: Yeah I bet the team was "founded" in a psych ward, only nobody bothered to check that fact. That's pretty... Insane | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:16 Boucot wrote: History has shown that players are not the best when it comes to judgement. yea the sad thing is that it is going to be regular, since younger players come into the scene everyday | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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NikaLogy
Denmark58 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Nice... Is this a record? I believe so yes, even apeX lasted longer than this. | ||
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CynicalDeath
Italy3218 Posts
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bjornkavist
Canada1235 Posts
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OveRtheStarS
Canada69 Posts
There needs to be some degree of due diligence, proof of funds, corporate registration, corporate or trust accounts... not a few pieces of paper shoddily formatted in Word that a 3rd grader could pump out on his lunch break. This entirely. Things like this happening in e-Sports is hardly new, and the fact that professional players keep falling for these sorts of deals just makes me shake my head. At what point do players, and even others with good intent, begin to question these scenarios which obviously sound too good to be true? Especially with a scene like SC2, what are the chances that you're going to run into somebody who just happens to have $180,000 to throw around and invest in it? If people were a bit wiser and more business savvy, then situations like this could easily be avoided. | ||
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Zailyn
Canada25 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:32 OveRtheStarS wrote: This entirely. Things like this happening in e-Sports is hardly new, and the fact that professional players keep falling for these sorts of deals just makes me shake my head. At what point do players, and even others with good intent, begin to question these scenarios which obviously sound too good to be true? Especially with a scene like SC2, what are the chances that you're going to run into somebody who just happens to have $180,000 to throw around and invest in it? If people were a bit wiser and more business savvy, then situations like this could easily be avoided. Considering the average price for an entry level premier MOBA team is =~ $500/player/month, and I imagine a T2 CS:Go team looking to break into T1 is a similar price... MOBA Team: 5x500 = $2500/month CS:Go Team: 5x500 - $2500/month SC2 Team: =~ $1000-2000/Month $6000-7000/month x 12 = $72000/$84000 per year on salary alone... $185000 for a two year budget for DotA, CS:Go and SC2 when offering salary AND full LAN expenses is actually a fairly reasonable and accurate operating budget for an organization that's not operating a team house. | ||
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BartCraft
Netherlands45 Posts
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OveRtheStarS
Canada69 Posts
$6000-7000/month x 12 = $72000/$84000 per year on salary alone... $185000 for a two year budget for DotA, CS:Go and SC2 when offering salary AND full LAN expenses is actually a fairly reasonable and accurate operating budget for an organization that's not operating a team house. Absolutely, when there is some sort of capital involved in the investment. But, again, what are the chances of someone off the street throwing this kind of personal money at a declining scene? There was no intent of expanding into more lucrative markets that could have potentially provided a return until the SC2 players increased the teams popularity. And this still doesn't account for the fact that people sign onto these sorts of deals without making any assurances for themselves that the finances are in place, besides verbal promises and poorly written documents. I can make reasonable budgets all I want, for all sorts of things. But they mean nothing unless the backing money is there. Until that happens, they're just smoke screens. | ||
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Zailyn
Canada25 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:45 OveRtheStarS wrote: Absolutely, when there is some sort of capital involved in the investment. But, again, what are the chances of someone off the street throwing this kind of personal money at a declining scene? There was no intent of expanding into more lucrative markets that could have potentially provided a return until the SC2 players increased the teams popularity. And this still doesn't account for the fact that people sign onto these sorts of deals without making any assurances for themselves that the finances are in place, besides verbal promises and poorly written documents. I suppose you have to weigh in potential upside compared to potential downside for the players. If they do actually get sent to a few events or get any money out of it, it is totally worth it. Ah well... Another venture down the drain. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7099 Posts
On January 28 2016 14:16 Solar424 wrote: Well this guy has joined Martin Shkreli, the LYGF guy, Gerrard, and Simon Boudreault as the sketchiest eSports team owners. Add alloye aldaris to that list | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:05 shin_toss wrote: So sad to see them go.. the memories will stay with me tho, good luck to the players "the memories" right... | ||
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huller20
United States112 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
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Muxtar
Ukraine64 Posts
On January 28 2016 14:34 billynasty wrote: this is crazy... Literally. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
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joshie0808
Canada1023 Posts
Hoping for the best for the players | ||
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BeaSt..
United States312 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:41 Zailyn wrote: MOBA Team: 5x500 = $2500/month CS:Go Team: 5x500 - $2500/month SC2 Team: =~ $1000-2000/Month Where are you getting these numbers from? I can see why things have gone under 4 times in the last 2-3 years under your guidance.. | ||
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JonnySC2
Germany119 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
even if he has some kind of "history" with sketchy projects, who knows, maybe his mental trouble is an explanation for that too. if he's unwell he deserves treatment. no one is above this sort of thing | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6196 Posts
On January 28 2016 16:35 bduddy wrote: GundamWerra still takes the cake. yeh that was pretty crazy. Quite a long time ago though. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1162 Posts
On January 28 2016 14:34 billynasty wrote: this is crazy... owner reportedly in psych ward ಠ_ಠ | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On January 28 2016 16:17 fronkschnonk wrote: Has nobody in SC2 management/bussiness ever heard of a solvency check? Seeing how most players are teenagers who are dreaming of dropping our of school to play computer games professionally, I'd go with "no" here. | ||
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klimuszko
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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Penev
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Apocalypse eSports disbands, owner reportedly in psych ward I don't even.. | ||
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
Crazy for E-sports? This is sad and hilarious at the same time | ||
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
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Pyloss
Germany1515 Posts
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207aicila
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:25 OtherWorld wrote: Ok, my respect for the players involved went down. How can you play a game based on decision making an take such shitty career decisions? cause im a magician and i can know how everyone will act? lol its like u getting a job and next day u get fired cause the guys went bankrupt. my respect goes down for u aswell how is it my fault lol. i cant predict how someone gonna act. so losing respect for players is just silly. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
An aunt of a young rebel promises millions of Czech Crowns(money  ) to a police academy if its boss changes this rebel to a policeman. Then is revealed that the aunt is crazy and was on a leave from psychiatric ward.(Yes, it's a failed version of Police Academy) Why this seems similar? Why? I hope the owner gets together, sad for Welmu | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:30 Major wrote: cause im a magician and i can know how everyone will act? lol its like u getting a job and next day u get fired cause the guys went bankrupt. my respect goes down for u aswell how is it my fault lol. i cant predict how someone gonna act. so losing respect for players is just silly. You can't predict anything. You can take decision based on past actions and current information. On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote: Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast. I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. On January 28 2016 18:06 Quakie wrote: How hard is it for people to do some background checking on people they involve? 185 000 USD, really? If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.... Add to that the fate of the guy's previous teams. I understand that the SC2 scene is not the healthiest and that it might be necessary to sign on shady-looking teams, like Invasion eSports back in its time. But come on, there are limits to what you can accept in the name of getting a team. I mean, I'm sure no one in that team had an actual contract. As for your job example, well if I was offered a job to the local pizzeria, did some research and found out that the guy was nearly bankrupt, I certainly would find it strange that an almost bankrupt guy wants to hire people. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On January 28 2016 14:05 lichter wrote: Apt name I guess What was wrong with the 444 btw? I don't understand. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:30 Major wrote: cause im a magician and i can know how everyone will act? lol its like u getting a job and next day u get fired cause the guys went bankrupt. my respect goes down for u aswell how is it my fault lol. i cant predict how someone gonna act. so losing respect for players is just silly. You have bad judgement, you could just say that | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:30 Major wrote: cause im a magician and i can know how everyone will act? lol its like u getting a job and next day u get fired cause the guys went bankrupt. my respect goes down for u aswell how is it my fault lol. i cant predict how someone gonna act. so losing respect for players is just silly. You do a background check when you go into an interview for a job. Dunno if you did and it tunred out nothing but you DO make a bg check for real work. At least i do. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
HURR DURR LOOK AT US WE SPEND 80 DOLLARS Fucking shit, this team was a joke from the very beginning, i hope the players asked for the check upfront. | ||
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SmykuToronto
Poland269 Posts
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
-Hmmm, never heard of that team, maybe I am simply not well informed about what is going on on TL. Then I read that it disbanded after 12 days and Im like: -Oh, I see..... | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 28 2016 20:14 shid0x wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/502479-apocalypse-esports-on-sending-welmu-to-dreamhack HURR DURR LOOK AT US WE SPEND 80 DOLLARS Fucking shit, this team was a joke from the very beginning, i hope the players asked for the check upfront. Why exactly do you have to be such a dick about this? This is terrible news overall. A team disbands, staff loses face, pro players are in distress, and a mental illness ruined a guy's and his wife's lives. And you take your time to post some dank reddit meymeys. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 28 2016 20:43 KeksX wrote: Why exactly do you have to be such a dick about this? This is terrible news overall. A team disbands, staff tried their best, pro players are an issue, and a person & his wife have probably a very ruined life. And you take your time to post some dank reddit meymeys. Because 99.9% of the people who saw this happen, saw it coming, and we were told not to be negative. USE COMMON SENSE. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 28 2016 20:45 LongShot27 wrote: Because 99.9% of the people who saw this happen, saw it coming, and we were told not to be negative. USE COMMON SENSE. Oh yeah that totally justifies making fun of these people! I see! Say, do we generally kick guys lying on the ground now, or is it just these guys? | ||
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
On January 28 2016 20:45 KeksX wrote: Oh yeah that totally justifies making fun of these people! I see! It does partially. (my opinion). People like to think they are smart but the reality is we learn by experiences and getting burned is an important one to not make similar mistakes in the future. Losing a team in 12 days is FAR better than playing for one for months and not getting paid anything at the end (we have seen this happen as well). If you make fun of it, its easier to remember it and not make the same mistake again as well. I know that nowadays we are all supposed to care for others and try not to offend anyone but by doing this we create a society that is easy to take advantage of. You can cry about it or you can make fun of it (the facts wont change, just your view of them). | ||
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rotta
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 28 2016 20:52 iloveav wrote: It does partially. (my opinion). People like to think they are smart but the reality is we learn by experiences and getting burned is an important one to not make similar mistakes in the future. Loosing a team in 12 days is FAR better than playing for one for months and not getting paid anything at the end (we have seen this happen as well). If you make fun of it, its easier to remember it and not make the same mistake again as well. I know that now days we are all supposed to care for others and try not to offend anyone but by doing this we create a society that is easy to take advantage of. You can cry about it or you can make fun of it (the facts wont change, just your view of them). You are taking personal pleasure from peoples' lives being screwed. Thats simply fucked up. If one of these guys were you, you'd be asking for sympathy. I'm not saying "Oh please ignore all the bad things happening here", thats exactly what I'm not saying. Just take a moment to realize who you're making fun of. "Hey remember that guy go going into psych ward because he's mentally ill and how that destroyed a family, a team and probably some careers? How hilarious!" | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
Poor Welmu. :I | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 28 2016 20:55 KeksX wrote: You are taking personal pleasure from peoples' lives being screwed. Thats simply fucked up. If one of these guys were you, you'd be asking for sympathy. I'm not saying "Oh please ignore all the bad things happening here", thats exactly what I'm not saying. Just take a moment to realize who you're making fun of. "Hey remember that guy go going into psych ward because he's mentally ill and how that destroyed a family, a team and probably some careers? How hilarious!" You are really, really, really, really naive. If you think any of that is true you need to be in a psych ward. User was warned for this post | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
On January 28 2016 20:55 KeksX wrote: You are taking personal pleasure from peoples' lives being screwed. Thats simply fucked up. If one of these guys were you, you'd be asking for sympathy. I'm not saying "Oh please ignore all the bad things happening here", thats exactly what I'm not saying. Just take a moment to realize who you're making fun of. "Hey remember that guy go going into psych ward because he's mentally ill and how that destroyed a family, a team and probably some careers? How hilarious!" You misunderstand what I am saying. I am saying that if this happened to me, Id like people to laugh at me than feel sorry for me. At least it would teach me to be more careful in the future. Life is hard, and if you are not careful, it will screw you over. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On January 28 2016 20:43 KeksX wrote: Why exactly do you have to be such a dick about this? This is terrible news overall. A team disbands, staff loses face, pro players are in distress, and a mental illness ruined a guy's and his wife's lives. And you take your time to post some dank reddit meymeys. Fuck off mate, i'll be a dick about it until some fuckwit like these try to take advantage of players. And i know what i'm talking about, when i was sponsoring  Neige, id send the money upfront and spend quite some time talking with their korean management.Making a thread basically self jerking yourself of because you spend 80 miserable dollars on a shitty plane ride is a proof that even they were so insecure about their team that they tried to get some recognition from the community. Look at Uthermal team : they're not big, not that well known and do not have the most crazy sponsors ever. Yet they pay their players and don't make a thread about it. Also please don't insult me, i've never been to reddit and do not intend to ever be. User was warned for this post | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On January 28 2016 21:00 iloveav wrote: You misunderstand what I am saying. I am saying that if this happened to me, Id like people to laugh at me than feel sorry for me. At least it would teach me to be more careful in the future. Life is hard, and if you are not careful, it will screw you over. Be more careful with what? All we know is that the guy is mentally ill which implies there's something seriously wrong with him. You don't know how convincing he was or how much money he ended up showing (his wife talked about bailing him out, so it might be hers). On January 28 2016 21:02 shid0x wrote: Fuck off mate, i'll be a dick about it until some fuckwit like these try to take advantage of players. And i know what i'm talking about, when i was sponsoring Neige, id send the money upfront and spend quite some time talking with their korean management.Making a thread basically self jerking yourself of because you spend 80 miserable dollars on a shitty plane ride is a proof that even they were so insecure about their team that they tried to get some recognition from the community. Look at Uthermal team : they're not big, not that well known and do not have the most crazy sponsors ever. Yet they pay their players and don't make a thread about it. He's mentally ill. You have no idea what people are able to pull off with the right set of mind. And by reading the article, you also know that he wasn't alone in this. You know nothing about the situation despite that there's mental illness, a wife, and some caring staff involved. And you chose to just make fun of them. EDIT: I just realized I still wrote wife. It's just his GF. Which shows even more how messy the situation is. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 28 2016 21:20 -Kyo- wrote: This thread went from slightly sad/funny to disgusting. What is up with the quality of posts here lately? At least show some basic fucking respect for players. Pathetic to turn on them when shit like this happens regardless of if "you saw it coming". No one cares about your alter-nostradamus. Why would you have respect for someone you warned, showed evidence to and then they didn't listen to you? | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
So much incompetence and lies in the scene. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
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SmykuToronto
Poland269 Posts
On January 28 2016 21:20 -Kyo- wrote: This thread went from slightly sad/funny to disgusting. What is up with the quality of posts here lately? At least show some basic fucking respect for players. Pathetic to turn on them when shit like this happens regardless of if "you saw it coming". No one cares about your alter-nostradamus. I don't find owner's situation funny if it's true that he has a mental problems. However, how can I have respect for players who had shown such high level of delusion and incompetence? Internet is full of crazy people and frauds with retarded projects and Starcraft scene had experienced this type of situations before. Players concerned did not became pros this year and they must have heard about some of those fiascos. If you have a person contacting you and saying "I want to have a team. We have no sponsors and I pay out of my pocket." and you do not raise any relevant questions, you are laugh-worthy. From Desrow video, it seems that they had no idea where exactly would money come from before they learned about whole mental ward thing. This is a level of wishful thinking comparable only with clicking those "earn 10000000$ without leaving house" ads. And it's not even like anyone's laughing at someone's great tragedy. According to Desrow players were owed 2000 which is not that much given there were 7 players on Apocalypse roster. It sucks but it is manageable. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
I mean the name of the team the fact that it disbands super fast and the reason why It's too much for me. | ||
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BiiG-Fr
Canada109 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
That's still quite puzzling, that the people that signed for this didn't really check what was going on. I mean, it's not like SC2 had a history with shady teams/orgs/persons... The list grows, when will it stop... | ||
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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BiiG-Fr
Canada109 Posts
On January 28 2016 22:25 Ragnarork wrote: The owner being mentally ill is no joke material indeed. That's still quite puzzling, that the people that signed for this didn't really check what was going on. I mean, it's not like SC2 had a history with shady teams/orgs/persons... The list grows, when will it stop... The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed, especially if it's about money and playing video games. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 28 2016 22:19 Boucot wrote: My uncle is a nigerian prince, he told me he has a lot of money and is considering sponsoring an esport team ! Poll: Best new team name for Boucot's uncle? Invade Russia in winter Esports (31) Unstable Ladder Esports (4) Basejumping is more fun without a parachute Esports (3) Slippery Bathroom Floor Esports (3) Never look before crossing the road Esports (2) 43 total votes Your vote: Best new team name for Boucot's uncle? (Vote): Unstable Ladder Esports | ||
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Philozovic
France1676 Posts
On January 28 2016 22:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Poll: Best new team name for Boucot's uncle? Invade Russia in winter Esports (31) Unstable Ladder Esports (4) Basejumping is more fun without a parachute Esports (3) Slippery Bathroom Floor Esports (3) Never look before crossing the road Esports (2) 43 total votes Your vote: Best new team name for Boucot's uncle? (Vote): Unstable Ladder Esports I'm Boucot uncle, I can assure you I'm totally legit | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
On January 28 2016 22:52 Philozovic wrote: I'm Boucot uncle, I can assure you I'm totally legit Pls go for "slippery bathroom" | ||
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Elentos
55459 Posts
That's the best. Here's the team flair: ![[image loading]](http://www.airemaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/slip-fall-guy.png) | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
Invade Russia has more media potential though | ||
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SmykuToronto
Poland269 Posts
On January 28 2016 22:52 Philozovic wrote: I'm Boucot uncle, I can assure you I'm totally legit First you must write article about sending Boucot to Olimoleague. Otherwise I will not believe you're legit. | ||
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RoomOfMush
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 28 2016 22:19 Boucot wrote: My uncle is a nigerian prince, he told me he has a lot of money and is considering sponsoring an esport team ! So the name of the team have to be MOUGOU (i hope you know your mozinor) | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On January 28 2016 23:08 RoomOfMush wrote: Do you guys think this is better or worse then pulling a Sonic? Much much much worse | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 28 2016 23:10 FFW_Rude wrote: So the name of the team have to be MOUGOU (i hope you know your mozinor) I do not. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Go watch it :p on dailymotion, just find mozinor "Le mougou" (or "mugu"). It's pretty stupid and funny. It's basicly mozinor replying and talking to your uncle :p EDIT : video in spoiler + Show Spoiler + Warning : it's pretty stupid :p | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
But i feel like all Pro Gamers should learn something from all this short-lived team's incidents by now. SC2 is not going to be the ideal scene to throw money in. It just doesn't make sense from a business point of view. It's a relatively small scene especially when you compare it to the other hugely popular games in Esports like CS:GO and DOTA2 or LOL. If i had the money and think Esports has a bright future, why shouldn't i be throwing money into the more popular games? So if somebody comes forward with an idea of starting a new SC2 team, check the freaking finances first. Is the money guaranteed. You cannot just trust the person just because he seems or sounds trustworthy ( as stated by desrow in his vlog) Look i have seen children who can lie with a totally innocent look and be oscar-worthy. So don't talk about adults. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 28 2016 23:24 Kaizor wrote: Firstly, i feel bad for all the pro gamers concerned. Major, Welmu, Desrow... But i feel like all Pro Gamers should learn something from all this short-lived team's incidents by now. SC2 is not going to be the ideal scene to throw money in. It just doesn't make sense from a business point of view. It's a relatively small scene especially when you compare it to the other hugely popular games in Esports like CS:GO and DOTA2 or LOL. If i had the money and think Esports has a bright future, why shouldn't i be throwing money into the more popular games? So if somebody comes forward with an idea of starting a new SC2 team, check the freaking finances first. Is the money guaranteed. You cannot just trust the person just because he seems or sounds trustworthy ( as stated by desrow in his vlog) Look i have seen children who can lie with a totally innocent look and be oscar-worthy. So don't talk about adults. Especially desRow and Welmu who got already screwed by Eclypsia. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
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Elentos
55459 Posts
On January 29 2016 00:23 geokilla wrote: So who was on the team? Lol Among others Welmu and Major. | ||
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
Still, you have the chance of receiving support and a salary, even if it seems a bit shady/unlikely to happen...you just say no? Well, obviously you say yes. 1% chance of having something is better than 100% chance of having nothing. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Kofuku
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 Also, this contract here (http://sc2online.com/forum/forum/news/general-news/506-new-team-apocalypse-esports-to-disband-%E2%80%8Bmanagement-considering-legal-action-against-the-teams-financier) is not so well done at all to protect the players I hope this isn't suggestive of what the standard is in western SC2 teams... | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16647 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E32nT41.jpg) turns out these guys were about as legit as the Gulf of T.... o never mind. On January 29 2016 00:40 SChlafmann wrote: I don't get people that blame the players. They are not totally stupid, and I believe that they were not blind about the risks. Still, you have the chance of receiving support and a salary, even if it seems a bit shady/unlikely to happen...you just say no? Well, obviously you say yes. 1% chance of having something is better than 100% chance of having nothing. your reputation as a savvy veteran of eSports business affairs takes a hit. if that has zero value to the player... | ||
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
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KtJ
United States3514 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:58 FFW_Rude wrote: You do a background check when you go into an interview for a job. Dunno if you did and it tunred out nothing but you DO make a bg check for real work. At least i do. No need for a background check. This wouldn't even pass a basic sanity check. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 29 2016 01:41 ZackAttack wrote: I don't understand why people think it is okay to come into this thread and say, "I told you so". To those of you that are, I would say that you've probably been negative about every team that forms, and nobody thinks that you are smart or better than the players because you think you wouldn't have fallen for this scam after it happens.There are always people talking about how they saw everything coming. No one is impressed. The owner was in some major shit as far as i know. Match-fixing kind of shit. That's why people are bashing (at least i think) | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
ehhhh Sonic could go to jail and has screwed over far more people, not just in esports. | ||
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ploguidice
United States228 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On January 28 2016 15:47 Zailyn wrote: I suppose you have to weigh in potential upside compared to potential downside for the players. If they do actually get sent to a few events or get any money out of it, it is totally worth it. Ah well... Another venture down the drain. Well the thing is, the potential downside isn't get stiffed a salary, it's actually footing the bill. But if the players wanted to attend these things anyways, then the potential downside is very low as you say. It sounds like altogether you guys are out $600 dollars for travel. If you were planning to do it anyways, no big deal I suppose. But back to this situation, you can't buy a car without a credit check and you can get a new one for 15 grand. This guy is promising over 10 times that. There has to be some vetting involved and I'm wondering if people involved in the scene are doing that. For instance, I'm in the start-up world and you've never heard of half the companies out there or half the people running them. But they all have to file documents to register a new company. Did you guys even have a license for your team (it's supposed to be a business venture after all)? That would go a long way towards establishing some sort of trust that this isn't just some fly-by-night operation. Lastly, let's be real. I really doubt this guy is in a psych ward. I think he's just moving from con to con and the GF/Wife/Whatever is sick of dealing with the blowback while he hides out. The 'quotes' sound more like what dramatic college kids say than an honest accounting of the situation. I mean, maybe it's possible, just like Quantum's owner magically being cured of cancer once everyone forgot about him. Edit: On January 29 2016 00:52 Kofuku wrote: Also, this contract here (http://sc2online.com/forum/forum/news/general-news/506-new-team-apocalypse-esports-to-disband-%E2%80%8Bmanagement-considering-legal-action-against-the-teams-financier) is not so well done at all to protect the players I hope this isn't suggestive of what the standard is in western SC2 teams...Now that you mention it, you are right. Premier tournaments, peripherals, among other things are undefined, making those clauses way too vague to enforce. It's a short document and I see a bunch of other fuzzy words too, like pertaining and similar. Also... there's a company name there! Where's it licensed? What's the tax id? Where's the proof that the company actually exists before signing this contract? | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Hathrow
Canada18 Posts
On January 28 2016 18:18 Pyloss wrote: I feel sad for Welmu, he now has to pay his travel to DH himself...he really deserves a good and stable team, finally.. I will be personally reimbursing welmu for DH it's not his fault our CEO went off the deep end. | ||
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On January 29 2016 03:41 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: What will legal pursuit accomplish exactly since the owner is in a psychiatric hospital and obviously broke; it won't magically bring them their money back even if they will obviously win. For the off-chance he is lying about that too and is just trying to scam people. (Although I dont really see how he could have scammed anyone with this) | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On January 29 2016 03:41 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: What will legal pursuit accomplish exactly since the owner is in a psychiatric hospital and obviously broke; it won't magically bring them their money back even if they will obviously win. Yeah, lol. Owner pretty much has an insanity defense unless he's lying about that too. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On January 29 2016 03:41 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: What will legal pursuit accomplish exactly since the owner is in a psychiatric hospital and obviously broke; it won't magically bring them their money back even if they will obviously win. It would probably cost 100x more in legal fees than the probably fairly insignificant (obviously not to all parties involved but in the grand scheme of things) money involved | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On January 28 2016 22:06 SmykuToronto wrote: I don't find owner's situation funny if it's true that he has a mental problems. However, how can I have respect for players who had shown such high level of delusion and incompetence? Internet is full of crazy people and frauds with retarded projects and Starcraft scene had experienced this type of situations before. Players concerned did not became pros this year and they must have heard about some of those fiascos. If you have a person contacting you and saying "I want to have a team. We have no sponsors and I pay out of my pocket." and you do not raise any relevant questions, you are laugh-worthy. From Desrow video, it seems that they had no idea where exactly would money come from before they learned about whole mental ward thing. This is a level of wishful thinking comparable only with clicking those "earn 10000000$ without leaving house" ads. And it's not even like anyone's laughing at someone's great tragedy. According to Desrow players were owed 2000 which is not that much given there were 7 players on Apocalypse roster. It sucks but it is manageable. That's the thing tho, the management running the team below the "crazy" owner were running a tight ship and the plans and ambitions and our salaries made sense. Nothing was "too good to be true" There has been Venture Capital before in the scene. I personally spoke to the "CEO" on skype and he was 8/10 or 9/10 at lying. Never hesitated to my questions, was smooth as a cat. I don't see why it's that big of a deal and you lose respect for us. We all wasted 12 days but no one was hurt. Welmu was gonna send himself to dreamhack anyway and he's the only one that "loss" something but I think the management will try to help him with that cost. On January 28 2016 23:24 Kaizor wrote: Firstly, i feel bad for all the pro gamers concerned. Major, Welmu, Desrow... But i feel like all Pro Gamers should learn something from all this short-lived team's incidents by now. SC2 is not going to be the ideal scene to throw money in. It just doesn't make sense from a business point of view. It's a relatively small scene especially when you compare it to the other hugely popular games in Esports like CS:GO and DOTA2 or LOL. If i had the money and think Esports has a bright future, why shouldn't i be throwing money into the more popular games? So if somebody comes forward with an idea of starting a new SC2 team, check the freaking finances first. Is the money guaranteed. You cannot just trust the person just because he seems or sounds trustworthy ( as stated by desrow in his vlog) Look i have seen children who can lie with a totally innocent look and be oscar-worthy. So don't talk about adults. I disagree. Breaking into Dota2 or CSGO is insanely expensive. Like 6 figures for a year expensive, unless you go for Tier 3 or Tier 2 teams and then good luck finding a sponsor. This team had around a 1500$/salary cost per month for players and we had 3 potential players for Blizzcon (Welmu, Soul and Major) This investment would be able to break ROI much faster than investing in Tier 2 or 3 DotA and CSGO teams imho | ||
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OveRtheStarS
Canada69 Posts
I don't see why it's that big of a deal and you lose respect for us. We all wasted 12 days but no one was hurt. Welmu was gonna send himself to dreamhack anyway and he's the only one that "loss" something but I think the management will try to help him with that cost. This is a good point. Shady owner and lack of due diligence aside, at least there wasn't much harm and it folded early. It could have been worse. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10666 Posts
On January 29 2016 06:48 desRow wrote: This team had around a 1500$/salary cost per month So how much was actually paid out? If there was 1500 a month allotted, then the team seemingly shouldn't have to have disbanded in less than 2 weeks time. Also, 1500$ a month for NA player? Mmmhmmmm..... | ||
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Orr
United States168 Posts
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RhYS3311
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On February 01 2016 01:12 RhYS3311 wrote: This is what happens when we don't have a regulations committee. We are becoming large enough (esports as a whole) to have things like this in place. This will keep happening as long as something like this isn't in place What exactly do you think Kespa is? Edit: Nm I thought you were writing in the Life thread. I'll leave my non-sequitur up for posterity I guess =x | ||
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