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swissman777
1106 Posts
On January 23 2016 03:36 Musicus wrote: Nerfing both spores and para bomb might make it muta only or blind counter again. It's a good unit to watch at the pro scene... I personally like it. | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:05 DinoMight wrote: By the time Protoss has +1 weapons, Marines should have combat shields. You could get combat shields before the strongest adept timings hit. It's not worth it because SCVs don't get combat shields and it doesn't kill or push back the adepts any faster. So you spend that gas on things that will help you kill the adepts faster over combat shields. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:05 DinoMight wrote: The nerf makes it take 2 hits to kill a Marine instead of 3 until the marine has combat shields. By the time Protoss has +1 weapons, Marines should have combat shields. Therefore even +1 weapons doesn't change Adept efficiency against marines. If they have combat shields right now they also take 3 hits either way (and with stim its back to two hits with +1). The +1 weapons does negate the nerf, but you can't have the +1 weapons for the prism/adept timing (I guess), so that specific strategy is nerfed. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:08 swissman777 wrote: It's a good unit to watch at the pro scene... I personally like it. I actually liked to play it, but I think people didn't like watching it that much. Vipers will still make it different to HotS though I guess, even with the para bomb nerf, so maybe it won't be as bad as I thought. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12387 Posts
On January 23 2016 04:55 TheWinks wrote: Marauders didn't die to adepts, but they couldn't stop them from killing workers, so we didn't really see lots of them built. This change doesn't change that existing relationship or existing builds with regard to marauders, really. Armored adept would have changed them drastically. Obviously not saying that marauders will be better against adepts (the armored adept would be a terrible change btw, like community-decision levels of bad). Saying that it makes the strategy that deals the best with adepts (a focus on marines and as few marauders as possible) much better. | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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PPN
France248 Posts
Also apparently a 42% PvZ is a seconday issue. Not a single word. No worry, it can wait... | ||
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Maxie
Sweden2653 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:21 Maxie wrote: I don't understand the spore nerf. Muta isn't weak? Excuse me? | ||
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ProtossMasterRace
57 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:18 PPN wrote: Yay. Adepts get nerfed (with good reasons). Nothing to compensate. Protoss even get PO nerf on top (again with good reasons). Nothing else. Even worse winrate inbound in the weeks coming. Also apparently a 42% PvZ is a seconday issue. Not a single word. No worry, it can wait... Soon protoss will have single digit winrates in both matchups...I guess SC2 will be unplayable for a month or two after the patch. | ||
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itsMAHVELbaybee
292 Posts
SC2 is no fun game with a series of tank lines and turrets with no overkill. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On January 23 2016 03:39 Clonester wrote: Adept now does 22 damage against light units per shot. That means, you need instead of 2 shots, 3 shots to kill SCVs and Marines. Thats quite a nerf. The problem is still the prism. The problem is the shift providing perfect intel and making a single group of adepts require two armies capable of dealing with them. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:28 itsMAHVELbaybee wrote: TvT is fun with tankivac. I have fun with it. SC2 is no fun game with a series of tank lines and turrets with no overkill. Please see Gumiho vs MMA on Antiga Shipyard tyvm | ||
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TheWinks
United States572 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:13 Nebuchad wrote: Saying that it makes the strategy that deals the best with adepts (a focus on marines and as few marauders as possible) much better. I'm saying that's what people already do and this doesn't change that. Again, combat shields could be researched in time for a ton of adept timings, but terrans don't get it because scvs don't get combat shields. There isn't any 'saving gas' by not getting marauders to fight off adepts like you're claiming. | ||
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Nazara
United Kingdom235 Posts
Spore damage could be reduced by 5, not 10. With Fungal being a projectile there is a possibility of Muta wars making a return. PB nerf does not change the relationship of Viper vs Air - it only delays it (as you need more energy/Vipers). This is the same story as with Carrier - with ability it is too strong, so they increased build time -> which means that P will die waiting for Carriers, but Carriers themselves are still strong. They could make it non-stackable, or make it so that units are not killed by PB alone, and left with 1 hp instead. Adept nerf is long overdue, nut finally they are comming to their senses. PO nerf is great, but I'm a bit worried how is P supposed to defend vs Zerg. I know Blizzard will never even think about reduction of build times on Gateway, even by 2-3 seconds per unit. | ||
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Marl
United States694 Posts
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feanaro
United States123 Posts
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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Merkmerk
United States96 Posts
On January 23 2016 03:44 RaFox17 wrote: This adept nerf will do nothing against zerg? Adepts are really stupid and strong against Z also :/ Adepts are only stupid and strong in ZvP if you still subscribe to the school of 'no banelings against Protoss' Get past that mindset and they're not bad at all. ZvT is the biggest problem and they're admitting feedback that it's favoring Terran but at the same time saying they don't want to do anything about it except nerf PB (liberator buff) and maybe not buff siege tank | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12387 Posts
On January 23 2016 05:32 TheWinks wrote: I'm saying that's what people already do and this doesn't change that. Again, combat shields could be researched in time for a ton of adept timings, but terrans don't get it because scvs don't get combat shields. There isn't any 'saving gas' by not getting marauders to fight off adepts like you're claiming. As long as the number of marauders built is positive, it can be decreased by making marines stronger. That's just a fact, I don't know how you can argue against that. As long as the number of marauders is decreased, it allows gas to be put into something else. The only way your argument is true is if zero marauders are built against adept rushes today, which is not the case. | ||
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