Community Feedback Update - January 22 - Page 15

On January 25 2016 15:25 seemsgood wrote:
I think vs late game tempest army terran should upgrade liberator range and set it in max range so viking can attack tempest but stalkers can't attack vikings without get into liberator zone.So in theory tempest army doesn't seem unbeatable.

On January 25 2016 18:08 Penev wrote:

Yay, mass air

On January 25 2016 19:27 seemsgood wrote:

You need about 15 vikings for 5-6 tempests.About 10 liberators + 15 vikings + the rest for army ground doest seem like mass air.
Without range upgrade i don't think terran have a chance againt tempest cause we already know tempest will freely pick off liberator and viking can't do shit because stalkers backup.But with it stalkers can't bully vikings without trade.
Run unit tester and you will see stalkers almost get into 1/2 freedom circle if they try to attack vikings lol.

On January 25 2016 19:03 Tresher wrote:
Here are the new changes in action (sorry if this has been posted already) :
http://imgur.com/a/4zLw9

Is it just me or are the changes to Photon Overcharge more of a buff than a nerf? It really looks like its better now even tough it costs more. Or does this change anything else we don´t see here? Would really like to hear people´s opinion on this.

On January 24 2016 15:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
You are when I have a strong case that it proves something based on facts. The argument was that Protoss versus Terran was Protoss favored. However, Protoss is winning as many games against Terran as Terran wins against Protoss based on a website that collects data on win rates. Therefore, the argument isn't correct, because the definition of the word "favored" implies that one side have a better chance to win, and we know if anything, Terran has a slightly better chance to win based on the win rates.

Statistics matter. Facts matter. I know how inconvenient that is for the argument that Protoss is destroying Terran left and right. I'm sorry it isn't true. I'd be with you if the facts said TvP was in a terrible place winrate wise, seriously I'd be with you.

But you're telling me win rates don't matter. And you want to ignore them. So what does matter?

And whatever your answer is, it must be independent of the winrates. In other words, your answer must be able to explain why the imbalance isn't demonstrated in the win rates. That is a huge constraint, but I'd love to hear the argument if you've got it. I love being wrong because it increases the chances I'll be right next time.

I'm really looking forward to understanding balance better in SC2 without relying on winrates. I'd love to use your new objective measure based on statistics or qualitative thinking that can balance the game better. Blizzard, Riot, Valve and other companies have been erroneously using win rates which is "meaningless" apparently. So do tell.

And honestly, I've spent my entire life trying to argue, like Rene Descartes did, that things can be proven, that knowledge can exist. The skeptical argument was disproved by Descartes long ago, but people are ignorant and tell me that we can't prove things all the time, and then they go ahead and use fallacies to explain why things are the way they are.

At this point, I don't argue to prove anything to anyone, I argue to defend those who already know. Statistics matter.



That was not your claim and you're be purposely disingenuous right now. Everyone knows Terrans can lose three games to Protoss.

Here it is:



Your claim was that an imbalance existed because Terrans were losing three games to none against Protoss due to Adepts, and that a -1 to their damage versus light wouldn't stop that, Terrans would continue losing 3-0 if Adepts only recieved a -1 to damage versus light. But when you look at the bigger pictures, Protoss losses just as much as Terran does in TvP, so you were cherry picking those statistics instead of looking at the bigger picture. That is where the winrates come in.

It isn't and wasn't evidence, it is hyperbole. There are plenty of times when Protoss loses three games to none versus Terran and it is evidence of nothing by itself.

And I know people like crazedrat will tell me that winrates don't matter, which I find ironic because he won't damn your statement based on cherry picked statistics of a few series where Terrans lose 3-0.

But such is bias.

On January 26 2016 04:38 chipmonklord17 wrote:


RIP ZvZ, I've played something like 15-20 ZvZs in the past 48 hours and they've almost exclusively been muta vs muta. Please don't do this to me blizzard

On January 26 2016 05:23 Charoisaur wrote:

there isn't a ground unit from any race that can trade with mass liberators. Same for broodlords and carriers/tempests

On January 26 2016 05:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:


Honestly I want them to buff the spore crawler if anything. The patch hasn't even loaded yet and I'm swarmed with zerg and swarmed with mutas.

Speaking of which has something been done to mutas to make getting carapace no longer the go to? I've noticed a few people getting attack first and idk if that's because they don't know any better or they know something I don't