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On January 22 2016 07:47 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:01 Footler wrote:
Some comments on ESPN and here seem to miss the point of the article. Yes it stated that the region locking screws over Korean players but it isn't necessarily saying the change should be reverted but rather the Korean scene needs something to replace the overseas tournaments to foster growth. If the region lock had been announced alongside some sort of new ESV-esque tournament or various other sources for low-mid tier Koreans to possibly transition and break into the top level then the article would have a bit of a different tone.
I still think the region locking is dumb regardless of circumstance but I can see how it could benefit the scene in the long run if it didn't completely screw over the Korean scene. Outside of a few tournaments the most memorable ones have been because of the Korean players. It all just seems so strange. This is exactly on point. There is no compensation for the koreans and everything good in WCS 2016 is for the foreigners. Sad when it was possible to do something for both scenes.
Yes. Agreed as well.
We really need a few Global Events with good prize pool and the SSL back to where it was last year to compensate. Then if Blizzard could held a few extra events similar to the Kespa Cup or give money to TB for a few Shoutcrafts (oh, how I loved this!) then it will help the KR scene.
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On January 22 2016 07:50 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:23 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:10 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 06:40 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:20 Ppjack wrote:On January 22 2016 06:18 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:17 Ppjack wrote:[quote] Man  I would be as pissed if the only country producing this level of infrastructure for players was Australia. Don't try to make me say something I did not say. I don't have to, you did it yourself If in your world cheering for your own country or your home team is racist, you must not really enjoy any kind of sport except few matches a year. edit: I just want the foreign players to be able to catch up. And anyway, cheering for someone is the opposite of rational. Just don't judge me on it and don't insult me at the same time... wtf No supporting your country isn't racist. Supporting a system that excludes a whole country because your country can only beat them 1 time out of 20 is. whoa... whoa...whoa? i'm racist because i support the WCS 2016? really? Did I stutter? lol, when u put together a better league system let me know and i'll take a look at it. as of now i'm supporting the most entertaining option at my disposal, namely, WCS 2016. have fun claiming i'm racist though I don't need to claim it. Your support of the system speaks for itself i'm an entertainment consumer with a budget of $1,000 a year... if u can do a better job you can take my cash. so far, you offer me no alternative. SC2:LotV and WCS 2016 are my best options so i'm taking them and backing them with my cash. When you have something better.. lemme know. Like I said to the other guy you're actively supporting a system that bars players from one nation competing freely because they're better than your boys. That is racist, how you choose to justify that racism is irrelevant
You misuse the word "racist", pls stop.
Maybe the system isn't completely fair, but it isn't fair from the get go (koreans have a way easier time to actually get to that level, that's just how it is)
Giving foreigners the opportunity to do sc2 fulltime is great, at the same time removing 2 starleagues in korea and probably a lot of international tournaments is bad execution of the main idea though.
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On January 22 2016 07:54 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:47 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:01 Footler wrote:
Some comments on ESPN and here seem to miss the point of the article. Yes it stated that the region locking screws over Korean players but it isn't necessarily saying the change should be reverted but rather the Korean scene needs something to replace the overseas tournaments to foster growth. If the region lock had been announced alongside some sort of new ESV-esque tournament or various other sources for low-mid tier Koreans to possibly transition and break into the top level then the article would have a bit of a different tone.
I still think the region locking is dumb regardless of circumstance but I can see how it could benefit the scene in the long run if it didn't completely screw over the Korean scene. Outside of a few tournaments the most memorable ones have been because of the Korean players. It all just seems so strange. This is exactly on point. There is no compensation for the koreans and everything good in WCS 2016 is for the foreigners. Sad when it was possible to do something for both scenes. Yes. Agreed as well. We really need a few Global Events with good prize pool and the SSL back to where it was last year to compensate. Then if Blizzard could held a few extra events similar to the Kespa Cup or give money to TB for a few Shoutcrafts (oh, how I loved this!) then it will help the KR scene.
Tons of ideas have been proposed but what KR needs is something for the B teamers/ppl who don't go past ro32 in code S whatever it is. Kespa Cup/Shoutcrafts are really good for the viewer but don't really solve the scene problems. We need more olimoleague type of stuff. Or just a better olimoleague even if it's already an awesome tournament.
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On January 22 2016 07:57 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:54 Silvana wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:01 Footler wrote:
Some comments on ESPN and here seem to miss the point of the article. Yes it stated that the region locking screws over Korean players but it isn't necessarily saying the change should be reverted but rather the Korean scene needs something to replace the overseas tournaments to foster growth. If the region lock had been announced alongside some sort of new ESV-esque tournament or various other sources for low-mid tier Koreans to possibly transition and break into the top level then the article would have a bit of a different tone.
I still think the region locking is dumb regardless of circumstance but I can see how it could benefit the scene in the long run if it didn't completely screw over the Korean scene. Outside of a few tournaments the most memorable ones have been because of the Korean players. It all just seems so strange. This is exactly on point. There is no compensation for the koreans and everything good in WCS 2016 is for the foreigners. Sad when it was possible to do something for both scenes. Yes. Agreed as well. We really need a few Global Events with good prize pool and the SSL back to where it was last year to compensate. Then if Blizzard could held a few extra events similar to the Kespa Cup or give money to TB for a few Shoutcrafts (oh, how I loved this!) then it will help the KR scene. Tons of ideas have been proposed but what KR needs is something for the B teamers/ppl who don't go past ro32 in code S whatever it is. Kespa Cup/Shoutcrafts are really good for the viewer but don't really solve the scene problems. We need more olimoleague type of stuff. Or just a better olimoleague even if it's already an awesome tournament.
And what has Blizzard to do with that ?
Private companies can invest in those kind of leagues. If they don't, it is just probably not profitable at all or their target-market is too small.
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On January 22 2016 08:01 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:57 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:54 Silvana wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:01 Footler wrote:
Some comments on ESPN and here seem to miss the point of the article. Yes it stated that the region locking screws over Korean players but it isn't necessarily saying the change should be reverted but rather the Korean scene needs something to replace the overseas tournaments to foster growth. If the region lock had been announced alongside some sort of new ESV-esque tournament or various other sources for low-mid tier Koreans to possibly transition and break into the top level then the article would have a bit of a different tone.
I still think the region locking is dumb regardless of circumstance but I can see how it could benefit the scene in the long run if it didn't completely screw over the Korean scene. Outside of a few tournaments the most memorable ones have been because of the Korean players. It all just seems so strange. This is exactly on point. There is no compensation for the koreans and everything good in WCS 2016 is for the foreigners. Sad when it was possible to do something for both scenes. Yes. Agreed as well. We really need a few Global Events with good prize pool and the SSL back to where it was last year to compensate. Then if Blizzard could held a few extra events similar to the Kespa Cup or give money to TB for a few Shoutcrafts (oh, how I loved this!) then it will help the KR scene. Tons of ideas have been proposed but what KR needs is something for the B teamers/ppl who don't go past ro32 in code S whatever it is. Kespa Cup/Shoutcrafts are really good for the viewer but don't really solve the scene problems. We need more olimoleague type of stuff. Or just a better olimoleague even if it's already an awesome tournament. And what has Blizzard to do with that ? Private companies can invest in those kind of leagues. If they don't, it is just probably not profitable at all or their target-market is too small.
They're trying to do the exact same thing for the worse side of the competition. And I don't even think the system will do that well, it'll be more a rich gets richer thing with a few newcomers.
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On January 22 2016 07:57 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:54 Silvana wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:01 Footler wrote:
Some comments on ESPN and here seem to miss the point of the article. Yes it stated that the region locking screws over Korean players but it isn't necessarily saying the change should be reverted but rather the Korean scene needs something to replace the overseas tournaments to foster growth. If the region lock had been announced alongside some sort of new ESV-esque tournament or various other sources for low-mid tier Koreans to possibly transition and break into the top level then the article would have a bit of a different tone.
I still think the region locking is dumb regardless of circumstance but I can see how it could benefit the scene in the long run if it didn't completely screw over the Korean scene. Outside of a few tournaments the most memorable ones have been because of the Korean players. It all just seems so strange. This is exactly on point. There is no compensation for the koreans and everything good in WCS 2016 is for the foreigners. Sad when it was possible to do something for both scenes. Yes. Agreed as well. We really need a few Global Events with good prize pool and the SSL back to where it was last year to compensate. Then if Blizzard could held a few extra events similar to the Kespa Cup or give money to TB for a few Shoutcrafts (oh, how I loved this!) then it will help the KR scene. Tons of ideas have been proposed but what KR needs is something for the B teamers/ppl who don't go past ro32 in code S whatever it is. Kespa Cup/Shoutcrafts are really good for the viewer but don't really solve the scene problems. We need more olimoleague type of stuff. Or just a better olimoleague even if it's already an awesome tournament.
That would be a dream scenario! I also believe that if Proleague was Bo7 again then the teams would need more practice partners and thus hire more rookies, and give the B-teamers more exposure too.
But even Proleague is in a shaky state nowadays :'(
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On January 22 2016 08:01 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:57 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:54 Silvana wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:01 Footler wrote:
Some comments on ESPN and here seem to miss the point of the article. Yes it stated that the region locking screws over Korean players but it isn't necessarily saying the change should be reverted but rather the Korean scene needs something to replace the overseas tournaments to foster growth. If the region lock had been announced alongside some sort of new ESV-esque tournament or various other sources for low-mid tier Koreans to possibly transition and break into the top level then the article would have a bit of a different tone.
I still think the region locking is dumb regardless of circumstance but I can see how it could benefit the scene in the long run if it didn't completely screw over the Korean scene. Outside of a few tournaments the most memorable ones have been because of the Korean players. It all just seems so strange. This is exactly on point. There is no compensation for the koreans and everything good in WCS 2016 is for the foreigners. Sad when it was possible to do something for both scenes. Yes. Agreed as well. We really need a few Global Events with good prize pool and the SSL back to where it was last year to compensate. Then if Blizzard could held a few extra events similar to the Kespa Cup or give money to TB for a few Shoutcrafts (oh, how I loved this!) then it will help the KR scene. Tons of ideas have been proposed but what KR needs is something for the B teamers/ppl who don't go past ro32 in code S whatever it is. Kespa Cup/Shoutcrafts are really good for the viewer but don't really solve the scene problems. We need more olimoleague type of stuff. Or just a better olimoleague even if it's already an awesome tournament. And what has Blizzard to do with that ? Private companies can invest in those kind of leagues. If they don't, it is just probably not profitable at all or their target-market is too small.
You can say the same for the foreign scene.
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On January 22 2016 08:02 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:57 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:54 Silvana wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 07:01 Footler wrote:
Some comments on ESPN and here seem to miss the point of the article. Yes it stated that the region locking screws over Korean players but it isn't necessarily saying the change should be reverted but rather the Korean scene needs something to replace the overseas tournaments to foster growth. If the region lock had been announced alongside some sort of new ESV-esque tournament or various other sources for low-mid tier Koreans to possibly transition and break into the top level then the article would have a bit of a different tone.
I still think the region locking is dumb regardless of circumstance but I can see how it could benefit the scene in the long run if it didn't completely screw over the Korean scene. Outside of a few tournaments the most memorable ones have been because of the Korean players. It all just seems so strange. This is exactly on point. There is no compensation for the koreans and everything good in WCS 2016 is for the foreigners. Sad when it was possible to do something for both scenes. Yes. Agreed as well. We really need a few Global Events with good prize pool and the SSL back to where it was last year to compensate. Then if Blizzard could held a few extra events similar to the Kespa Cup or give money to TB for a few Shoutcrafts (oh, how I loved this!) then it will help the KR scene. Tons of ideas have been proposed but what KR needs is something for the B teamers/ppl who don't go past ro32 in code S whatever it is. Kespa Cup/Shoutcrafts are really good for the viewer but don't really solve the scene problems. We need more olimoleague type of stuff. Or just a better olimoleague even if it's already an awesome tournament. That would be a dream scenario! I also believe that if Proleague was Bo7 again then the teams would need more practice partners and thus hire more rookies, and give the B-teamers more exposure too. But even Proleague is in a shaky state nowadays :'(
Bo7 6 teams in LotV would be the best right now but it's not likely at all for PL.
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On January 22 2016 07:50 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:23 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:10 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 06:40 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:20 Ppjack wrote:On January 22 2016 06:18 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:17 Ppjack wrote:[quote] Man I would be as pissed if the only country producing this level of infrastructure for players was Australia. Don't try to make me say something I did not say. I don't have to, you did it yourself If in your world cheering for your own country or your home team is racist, you must not really enjoy any kind of sport except few matches a year. edit: I just want the foreign players to be able to catch up. And anyway, cheering for someone is the opposite of rational. Just don't judge me on it and don't insult me at the same time... wtf No supporting your country isn't racist. Supporting a system that excludes a whole country because your country can only beat them 1 time out of 20 is. whoa... whoa...whoa? i'm racist because i support the WCS 2016? really? Did I stutter? lol, when u put together a better league system let me know and i'll take a look at it. as of now i'm supporting the most entertaining option at my disposal, namely, WCS 2016. have fun claiming i'm racist though I don't need to claim it. Your support of the system speaks for itself i'm an entertainment consumer with a budget of $1,000 a year... if u can do a better job you can take my cash. so far, you offer me no alternative. SC2:LotV and WCS 2016 are my best options so i'm taking them and backing them with my cash. When you have something better.. lemme know. Like I said to the other guy you're actively supporting a system that bars players from one nation competing freely because they're better than your boys. That is racist, how you choose to justify that racism is irrelevant
its Bizzard's money and they can hand out money any way they see fit.
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On January 22 2016 07:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:50 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:23 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:10 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 06:40 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:20 Ppjack wrote:On January 22 2016 06:18 showstealer1829 wrote:
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I don't have to, you did it yourself If in your world cheering for your own country or your home team is racist, you must not really enjoy any kind of sport except few matches a year. edit: I just want the foreign players to be able to catch up. And anyway, cheering for someone is the opposite of rational. Just don't judge me on it and don't insult me at the same time... wtf No supporting your country isn't racist. Supporting a system that excludes a whole country because your country can only beat them 1 time out of 20 is. whoa... whoa...whoa? i'm racist because i support the WCS 2016? really? Did I stutter? lol, when u put together a better league system let me know and i'll take a look at it. as of now i'm supporting the most entertaining option at my disposal, namely, WCS 2016. have fun claiming i'm racist though I don't need to claim it. Your support of the system speaks for itself i'm an entertainment consumer with a budget of $1,000 a year... if u can do a better job you can take my cash. so far, you offer me no alternative. SC2:LotV and WCS 2016 are my best options so i'm taking them and backing them with my cash. When you have something better.. lemme know. Like I said to the other guy you're actively supporting a system that bars players from one nation competing freely because they're better than your boys. That is racist, how you choose to justify that racism is irrelevant You misuse the word "racist", pls stop. Maybe the system isn't completely fair, but it isn't fair from the get go (koreans have a way easier time to actually get to that level, that's just how it is) Giving foreigners the opportunity to do sc2 fulltime is great, at the same time removing 2 starleagues in korea and probably a lot of international tournaments is bad execution of the main idea though.
The definition of racist is someone who shows or supports discrimination or prejudice based on race. Please tell me how I'm misusing the word
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It should be mandatory for the parties that organize the WCS events to at least offer one actual global event.
So one IEM, one Dreamhack and one Red Bull (and Blizzcon) for Korean on foreigner action
At least
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On January 22 2016 07:45 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:03 ddayzy wrote:On January 22 2016 06:58 Ppjack wrote:On January 22 2016 06:52 Silvana wrote:On January 22 2016 06:46 Ctone23 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:40 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:20 Ppjack wrote:On January 22 2016 06:18 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:17 Ppjack wrote:On January 22 2016 06:14 showstealer1829 wrote:
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Would you like some starch for your white hood? Man I would be as pissed if the only country producing this level of infrastructure for players was Australia. Don't try to make me say something I did not say. I don't have to, you did it yourself If in your world cheering for your own country or your home team is racist, you must not really enjoy any kind of sport except few matches a year. edit: I just want the foreign players to be able to catch up. And anyway, cheering for someone is the opposite of rational. Just don't judge me on it and don't insult me at the same time... wtf No supporting your country isn't racist. Supporting a system that excludes a whole country because your country can only beat them 1 time out of 20 is. So we shouldn't cheer for our favorite player if they happen to be foreigner because they are essentially being "gifted"? I see this "racism" rhetoric popping up a lot recently and quite frankly if you feel that strongly about it, Blizzard is the company to talk to. Blizzard is the one who changed the system, just because I want to see Bunny or Uthermal do really well this year doesn't make me a racist at all and I'm getting sick of that term being thrown around so lightly. There's a difference between cheering for a player a supporting an unfair system that helps said player. I love Bunny and Snute for example, and I'm kinda happy they're gonna do better this year with the new system, but I still can think the system is wrong in some fundamentals and unfair. Do you see the difference? The system is believed to be an incentitive for foreigners to go pro. Then few events should be there to mesure the best foreigners with koreans. What do you not like ? I really liked the old WCS system, but it was just not fair that players profiting from it where not helping the foreign scene (barely playing on the ladder, flying to korea to prepare, ...) It was welfare for them since they profit from high training environment and come to foreignland to take the money. Now at least something is done and tried. Don't know if it is going to work, but it is done. This is bizzaro-logic, what you are saying makes no sense. The best players winning tournaments is welfare because they are training with the best players whaaaaaa..? The definition of welfare is receiving financial aid from the government or from a private organization because of hardship and need. How on Gods green earth can you make that definition fit with what you jsut said? I used this word by analogy with the welfare-foreigner-wcs term that is used. Don't be so picky. You know I mean that it was unfair since the chances given are not equal given the korean environment being way better for players to practice. When there is no equality of chances, the system is flawed. That is where the state usually comes into play, and try adjusting it by injecting inputs and positive-discrimination in the system. It is what has been done with the current wcs system by blizzard. Private organisations are still chosing their own rules it is up to them.
The word is correctly used when applied to foreigners though. Picky? Words have a certain meaning, if your intended meaning is not represented by the word you are using use another one. It should not be a guessing game as to what you mean when you use a word with a set definition.
Yes the chances are equal. The only thing you cant reasonably be expected t to get as a foreigner is the same skill level practice partners as koreans have because you have now forbiden them from participating in the foreign scene.
Even if you were right, which you are not, your point would be mute since having petter and/or more practice is irrelevant. Starcraft is supose to be a highly competative game. You can't make that claim with a straight face when you are artificially keeping a bunch of lesser players competative by removing their competition. Blizzard is picking winners and losers at this point which should not be their role.
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On January 22 2016 08:05 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 07:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2016 07:50 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:23 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:10 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 06:40 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:20 Ppjack wrote:
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If in your world cheering for your own country or your home team is racist, you must not really enjoy any kind of sport except few matches a year.
edit: I just want the foreign players to be able to catch up. And anyway, cheering for someone is the opposite of rational. Just don't judge me on it and don't insult me at the same time... wtf No supporting your country isn't racist. Supporting a system that excludes a whole country because your country can only beat them 1 time out of 20 is. whoa... whoa...whoa? i'm racist because i support the WCS 2016? really? Did I stutter? lol, when u put together a better league system let me know and i'll take a look at it. as of now i'm supporting the most entertaining option at my disposal, namely, WCS 2016. have fun claiming i'm racist though I don't need to claim it. Your support of the system speaks for itself i'm an entertainment consumer with a budget of $1,000 a year... if u can do a better job you can take my cash. so far, you offer me no alternative. SC2:LotV and WCS 2016 are my best options so i'm taking them and backing them with my cash. When you have something better.. lemme know. Like I said to the other guy you're actively supporting a system that bars players from one nation competing freely because they're better than your boys. That is racist, how you choose to justify that racism is irrelevant You misuse the word "racist", pls stop. Maybe the system isn't completely fair, but it isn't fair from the get go (koreans have a way easier time to actually get to that level, that's just how it is) Giving foreigners the opportunity to do sc2 fulltime is great, at the same time removing 2 starleagues in korea and probably a lot of international tournaments is bad execution of the main idea though. The definition of racist is someone who shows or supports discrimination or prejudice based on race. Please tell me how I'm misusing the word
It isn't really based on race, it is based on skill and opportunity to get to that skill level. Koreans aren't banned because they are koreans.
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On January 22 2016 08:05 Penev wrote:
It should be mandatory for the parties that organize the WCS events to at least offer one actual global event.
So one IEM, one Dreamhack and one Red Bull (and Blizzcon) for Korean on foreigner action
At least
Yeah if WCS Global are a thing the system is actually pretty good minus the reduced content in Korea (which is probably not a blizzard decision considering what's going on with the Starleague).
However if we got one I'd consider it to be good...
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On January 22 2016 08:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 08:05 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2016 07:50 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:23 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:10 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 06:40 showstealer1829 wrote:
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No supporting your country isn't racist. Supporting a system that excludes a whole country because your country can only beat them 1 time out of 20 is. whoa... whoa...whoa? i'm racist because i support the WCS 2016? really? Did I stutter? lol, when u put together a better league system let me know and i'll take a look at it. as of now i'm supporting the most entertaining option at my disposal, namely, WCS 2016. have fun claiming i'm racist though I don't need to claim it. Your support of the system speaks for itself i'm an entertainment consumer with a budget of $1,000 a year... if u can do a better job you can take my cash. so far, you offer me no alternative. SC2:LotV and WCS 2016 are my best options so i'm taking them and backing them with my cash. When you have something better.. lemme know. Like I said to the other guy you're actively supporting a system that bars players from one nation competing freely because they're better than your boys. That is racist, how you choose to justify that racism is irrelevant You misuse the word "racist", pls stop. Maybe the system isn't completely fair, but it isn't fair from the get go (koreans have a way easier time to actually get to that level, that's just how it is) Giving foreigners the opportunity to do sc2 fulltime is great, at the same time removing 2 starleagues in korea and probably a lot of international tournaments is bad execution of the main idea though. The definition of racist is someone who shows or supports discrimination or prejudice based on race. Please tell me how I'm misusing the word It isn't really based on race, it is based on skill and opportunity to get to that skill level. Koreans aren't banned because they are koreans.
Masa was banned from the DH qualifier rofl.
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On January 22 2016 08:05 Penev wrote:
It should be mandatory for the parties that organize the WCS events to at least offer one actual global event.
So one IEM, one Dreamhack and one Red Bull (and Blizzcon) for Korean on foreigner action
At least
That would be so damn sweet
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Blizzard has made tonnes of cash from Canadian consumers purchasing their games , but its all casuals who suck at their games... most just play Campaign and then quit... but that casual player who went through the campaign and plays multiplayer once and a while has spent as much money as a guy who plays multiplayer for 50 hours a week for 50 weeks a year in another country.
Blizzard wants to keep the hype going in Canada despite how crap all the players are. They want to keep Canadians spending lots of money on their games.
Blizzard creates a system so Canadians can hold up trophies ... high 5 each other and yell and scream like they are at a hockey game.
its all about having fun playing games and Blizzard maximizing profit.
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On January 22 2016 08:08 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 08:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2016 08:05 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2016 07:50 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:23 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:10 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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whoa... whoa...whoa?
i'm racist because i support the WCS 2016? really? Did I stutter? lol, when u put together a better league system let me know and i'll take a look at it. as of now i'm supporting the most entertaining option at my disposal, namely, WCS 2016. have fun claiming i'm racist though I don't need to claim it. Your support of the system speaks for itself i'm an entertainment consumer with a budget of $1,000 a year... if u can do a better job you can take my cash. so far, you offer me no alternative. SC2:LotV and WCS 2016 are my best options so i'm taking them and backing them with my cash. When you have something better.. lemme know. Like I said to the other guy you're actively supporting a system that bars players from one nation competing freely because they're better than your boys. That is racist, how you choose to justify that racism is irrelevant You misuse the word "racist", pls stop. Maybe the system isn't completely fair, but it isn't fair from the get go (koreans have a way easier time to actually get to that level, that's just how it is) Giving foreigners the opportunity to do sc2 fulltime is great, at the same time removing 2 starleagues in korea and probably a lot of international tournaments is bad execution of the main idea though. The definition of racist is someone who shows or supports discrimination or prejudice based on race. Please tell me how I'm misusing the word It isn't really based on race, it is based on skill and opportunity to get to that skill level. Koreans aren't banned because they are koreans. Masa was banned from the DH qualifier rofl.
Well that's stupid i agree, but the main idea here should be quite obvious tbh. As i said before, the execution is somewhat questionable in some regards though.
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On January 22 2016 08:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 08:05 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2016 07:50 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:23 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:10 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 06:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 06:40 showstealer1829 wrote:
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No supporting your country isn't racist. Supporting a system that excludes a whole country because your country can only beat them 1 time out of 20 is. whoa... whoa...whoa? i'm racist because i support the WCS 2016? really? Did I stutter? lol, when u put together a better league system let me know and i'll take a look at it. as of now i'm supporting the most entertaining option at my disposal, namely, WCS 2016. have fun claiming i'm racist though I don't need to claim it. Your support of the system speaks for itself i'm an entertainment consumer with a budget of $1,000 a year... if u can do a better job you can take my cash. so far, you offer me no alternative. SC2:LotV and WCS 2016 are my best options so i'm taking them and backing them with my cash. When you have something better.. lemme know. Like I said to the other guy you're actively supporting a system that bars players from one nation competing freely because they're better than your boys. That is racist, how you choose to justify that racism is irrelevant You misuse the word "racist", pls stop. Maybe the system isn't completely fair, but it isn't fair from the get go (koreans have a way easier time to actually get to that level, that's just how it is) Giving foreigners the opportunity to do sc2 fulltime is great, at the same time removing 2 starleagues in korea and probably a lot of international tournaments is bad execution of the main idea though. The definition of racist is someone who shows or supports discrimination or prejudice based on race. Please tell me how I'm misusing the word It isn't really based on race, it is based on skill and opportunity to get to that skill level. Koreans aren't banned because they are koreans.
If you believe that I have a oceanside property in Arizona to sell you
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On January 22 2016 08:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 08:08 sAsImre wrote:On January 22 2016 08:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2016 08:05 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 22 2016 07:50 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:23 showstealer1829 wrote:On January 22 2016 07:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 22 2016 07:10 showstealer1829 wrote:
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Did I stutter? lol, when u put together a better league system let me know and i'll take a look at it. as of now i'm supporting the most entertaining option at my disposal, namely, WCS 2016. have fun claiming i'm racist though I don't need to claim it. Your support of the system speaks for itself i'm an entertainment consumer with a budget of $1,000 a year... if u can do a better job you can take my cash. so far, you offer me no alternative. SC2:LotV and WCS 2016 are my best options so i'm taking them and backing them with my cash. When you have something better.. lemme know. Like I said to the other guy you're actively supporting a system that bars players from one nation competing freely because they're better than your boys. That is racist, how you choose to justify that racism is irrelevant You misuse the word "racist", pls stop. Maybe the system isn't completely fair, but it isn't fair from the get go (koreans have a way easier time to actually get to that level, that's just how it is) Giving foreigners the opportunity to do sc2 fulltime is great, at the same time removing 2 starleagues in korea and probably a lot of international tournaments is bad execution of the main idea though. The definition of racist is someone who shows or supports discrimination or prejudice based on race. Please tell me how I'm misusing the word It isn't really based on race, it is based on skill and opportunity to get to that skill level. Koreans aren't banned because they are koreans. Masa was banned from the DH qualifier rofl. Well that's stupid i agree, but the main idea here should be quite obvious tbh. As i said before, the execution is somewhat questionable in some regards though.
The execution and idea expressed by blizzard/esl/dh is clear. Nationality matters. Not skill. That's your own interpretation.
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