EPTTerrans are just whining as usual.
BTW Seed is still the TR-8R of the Protoss race.
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ProtossMasterRace
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Terrans are just whining as usual. BTW Seed is still the TR-8R of the Protoss race. | ||
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Move over Zergs! | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
Tell it like it is man! I love that. Totally on point when he says Blizzard has been adjusting unrelated things since WoL. How long was the 4 Gate viable? How long did the 1-1-1 go on for? And how about the Roach max versus Protoss? Now if only Team Liquid representatives would call it like it is. There was a time when I was criticizing Blizzard that they sent me a PM asking me to tone it down because they believe that a constructive discussion about the economy would lead Blizzard away from the reduced mineral patches in LOTV and to a system like double harvesting. How'd that work out Team Liquid? I know you guys want to foster a good relationship with Blizzard, but can't you see they have been the thing standing in the way of SC2 being great since the middle of WOL? It is way past time to say it like it is and get these idiots out of here. Let's let David Kim ruin some other companies games, not SC2. On January 16 2016 02:25 Nebuchad wrote: First we'll have to figure out if there's a way we can win against non-nerfed terran, so probably in one or one in a half gsl That is sad. I agree that the Adept needs a nerf, I didn't require that Terran figure out a way to win against it. I was all for the moment Winter showed everyone even though many people argued it was no problem and give it more time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/498748-the-warp-prism-creates-a-mediocre-dynamic At this point, it is way past time. But the Liberator and Widow Mine could both use nerfs (I don't mind the Liberator nearly as much as the Widow Mine honestly) and we shouldn't have to wait months for the inevitable nerfs. On January 16 2016 04:38 CheddarToss wrote: Yeah, that was the GomTvT period with all the Terran players on the internet claiming that the game is balanced but that the Terran pro players are just so much better than Protoss and Zerg. As much as I dislike him, give Polt and Polt alone credit for stating that Terran was overpowered during GomTvT. | ||
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ThunderBum
Australia192 Posts
On January 16 2016 14:26 BronzeKnee wrote: Go Seed! Tell it like it is man! I love that. Totally on point when he says Blizzard has been adjusting unrelated things since WoL. How long was the 4 Gate viable? How long did the 1-1-1 go on for? And how about the Roach max versus Protoss? Now if only Team Liquid representatives would call it like it is. There was a time when I was criticizing Blizzard that they sent me a PM asking me to tone it down because they believe that a constructive discussion about the economy would lead Blizzard away from the reduced mineral patches in LOTV and to a system like double harvesting. How'd that work out Team Liquid? I know you guys want to foster a good relationship with Blizzard, but can't you see they have been the thing standing in the way of SC2 being great since the middle of WOL? It is way past time to say it like it is and get these idiots out of here. Let's let David Kim ruin some other companies games, not SC2. We have to play the communication game Blizzard's way if we want to talk with them. Getting angry and using exaggeration and sarcasm will get us nowhere because people like that aren't taken seriously. It might work when you're on the phone with a help desk, or at a counter to your local retailer, but this isn't customer service where Blizzard will bend over backwards to keep you happy. We need to speak like intelligent adults to be heard like intelligent adults and frankly most of the community don't because they're sitting alone, behind their monitors venting to no-one with a know-it-all attitude, and I don't blame Blizzard for writing the general community off as being ignorant of the big picture. | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
I saw game 1 of Seed vs Bomber yesterday. Jeez Bomber even defended quite well the first wp/adept harass and he was still behind after that and Seed just walked over him without doing anything spectacular. Bomber was already behind just because he had to prepare for the wp/adept. I just literally closed the stream after that because i knew Seed was going to win. At the peak of Bl/infestor, the last few gsl, i absolutely refused to watch because i knew which race was going to win. This is not going to help viewership of any PvT series. What is it going to take Blizzard to see that the wp/adept combo is way too OP in PvT right now?? | ||
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Deathstar
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ThunderBum
Australia192 Posts
On January 16 2016 15:32 Deathstar wrote: Sad for the progamers who have to deal with blizzard's indifference, particularly on the balance end. Yeah combined with the changes to WCS, imagine missing out because of meta imbalances and then not having another shot at anything for months. Pretty harsh indeed. | ||
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sarsAF
8 Posts
On January 16 2016 15:32 Deathstar wrote: Sad for the progamers who have to deal with blizzard's indifference, particularly on the balance end. This is probably the most frustrating part about the whole thing. Peoples livelihood is at stake here... | ||
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Thinh123456
70 Posts
- New ECO. - Flying siegetank... | ||
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beheamoth
44 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On January 16 2016 17:16 sarsAF wrote: This is probably the most frustrating part about the whole thing. Peoples livelihood is at stake here... On January 16 2016 13:09 TheWinks wrote: David Kim's reasoning on the tankivac change: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/415woe/community_feedback_thanks_for_your_feedback/cz009zb "Hey everyone. So, in a Reddit thread posted yesterday, the removal of tankivac was the most upvoted suggestion. If there are better ideas, we can definitely test something else out. If we do test this change however, and balance is impacted in a significant way (say, against Ravager strategies), we'd either throw out the idea, or add buffs to compensate." The comment in question: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/40ycti/david_kim_requested_feedback_about_mechs_weakness/cyy9pzd Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/502231-community-feedback-update-january-15?page=2#32 Reddit is on it though! | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On January 16 2016 01:24 Weavel wrote: This interview is exactly why Seed is my favourite player. He is mine now. Unfortunately this explains the sudden quitting of some Terrans. On January 16 2016 04:38 CheddarToss wrote: Yeah, that was the GomTvT period with all the Terran players on the internet claiming that the game is balanced but that the Terran pro players are just so much better than Protoss and Zerg. Well true. Since then the bunker build time changed for terrans, and some other minor changes. And the ghost nerf AFAIR. Hardly did they really alter the terran balance with that. And in the end of WoL we had Z ruling over everything. The first few months of WoL were boring to watch, but I believe this was because more mechanics of BW transitioned to WoL with T then with other races. But I can be wrong, afterall it has been 5 years. But in these 5 years, blizzard didn't manage to make Mech really viable, they didn't manage to fix T lategame so its not to be expected that they ever fix that, especially with no more Addons coming up. I am 100% sure that is the reason some players quit. Edit: the more I think of it: well T didn't get much nerf but the other races received some cool buffs so you are right basically. Unfortunately Blizzard did its job too well and we had way bigger inbalance towards Z in the end. The game was most "stable" and balanced in the end of HOTS, but still some units should have been patched out (like the swarm host was) or nerfed. And fixing T lategame vs Toss maybe. On January 16 2016 07:21 hansonslee wrote: Oh, now, all of you Seed "fans" are now coming out. Where were you guys when Seed won his first Proleague match against Bomber? Where were you guys when Seed found a team after fOu? Where were.... Ah, fuck it. I'm just so damn happy that Seed is back giving such brilliant interviews. Some toss in the last couple of years made it hard for me to be like ANY toss. Ok I liked Rain. He didn't cheese much and he had his BW past. Unfortunately. Did I know what a great guy Seed seems to be. You don't have to be a fan of someone from day one you know. Entertainers can win you over  On January 16 2016 08:50 Solar424 wrote: Don't worry, Terrans, I'm sure Blizzard is doing tons of internal testing and it says that adepts are fine. + Show Spoiler + Seriously though, I'm pretty sure Blizzard's "internal testing" is them watching the AI play each other. They're evenly skilled, so balance is the only factor, right? That wouldn't even surprise me: I don't think they know how good Adepts can be, I just tried some things for fun the last 2 months and also tried to play vs the AI. Pretty sure the AI doesn't use Adept shade at all. Maybe its so "hard to eimplement" (which would of course justify saying Adepts are fine since they cannot even integrate it into the AI, how should a Pro Player be able to play that style then) On January 16 2016 13:11 ProtossMasterRace wrote: See, protoss are honest, adepts are OP and protoss said it, but you don't see a single zerg adressing the fact that they stomp all over protoss no contest. Terrans are just whining as usual. BTW Seed is still the TR-8R of the Protoss race. Well every race has its units/abilities that are kinda retarded. Adepts/Oracle/Liberator/Ravager. Oracle was considered too strong even from some tosses. Players being honest isn't a new thing. Whiny players and users were always there. No matter the race. Terrans aren't more whiny then others so stop the BM. I remember clearly how Zerg whined even in a period they won everything. Toss whined late 2013 and 2014 about WM and other stuff while they won so many tournaments. So basically there is constant whine of all races :D Some "whines" were more justified then others I guess. As a former Terran player, I really hope that they will finally introduce a Terran lategame unit or at least something that makes lategame more balanced. And maybe mech viable, although I find BIO more entertaining to watch. If we are honest there simply are problems in LOTV. And some whining right now might be ok, maybe Blizzard thinks about "testing things internally" | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On January 16 2016 05:50 Killmouse wrote: he actually apologized on stream for playing his race haha Idra can finally feel content | ||
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GrandSmurf
Netherlands462 Posts
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On January 16 2016 07:27 Lexender wrote: I'm guessing you weren't here for BL/Infestor and the Blink era, I actually remember a certain guy whose name I will not tell but started with N and ended with ebuchad that said that terran was stronger than toss during the blink era and that the reason that where 3 terrans in code S was because there weren't any good terrans compared to protoss. You failed to make a gag about how blink era pvt is worse for protoss than brodlord infestor era minus 20 points  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On January 16 2016 04:38 CheddarToss wrote: Yeah, that was the GomTvT period with all the Terran players on the internet claiming that the game is balanced but that the Terran pro players are just so much better than Protoss and Zerg. Except the GomTvT era had WAY more to do with the retarded map pool of the era than it had to do with race balance. People forget, CONSTANTLY that we were still playing on maps like Tal'Darim Altar and fucking Shakuras Plateau back then. Going even further back to godawful maps like fucking Xel'Naga Caverns. Even back then, the maps made an enormous difference in match up balance. There was some obviously overpowered shit like Blue Flame Hellions or Barracks before supply depot bunker rushes or mass ghosts vs Zerg, but that kind of shit was fixed really quickly. Compare that to 2014's Blink All in mess or Infestor Broodlord. We had it pretty damn good in WoL. How quickly we forget. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12491 Posts
On January 16 2016 22:33 Vindicare605 wrote: Except the GomTvT era had WAY more to do with the retarded map pool of the era than it had to do with race balance. People forget, CONSTANTLY that we were still playing on maps like Tal'Darim Altar and fucking Shakuras Plateau back then. Going even further back to godawful maps like fucking Xel'Naga Caverns. Even back then, the maps made an enormous difference in match up balance. There was some obviously overpowered shit like Blue Flame Hellions or Barracks before supply depot bunker rushes or mass ghosts vs Zerg, but that kind of shit was fixed really quickly. Compare that to 2014's Blink All in mess or Infestor Broodlord. We had it pretty damn good in WoL. How quickly we forget. Why exactly would you believe the notion that maps had some of the blame means that we were having it pretty damn good, considering maps didn't change for about a century? "Sweet, I'm getting rekt, but that's okay, at least I know it's just the maps"? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12491 Posts
On January 16 2016 07:27 Lexender wrote: I'm guessing you weren't here for BL/Infestor and the Blink era, I actually remember a certain guy whose name I will not tell but started with N and ended with ebuchad that said that terran was stronger than toss during the blink era and that the reason that where 3 terrans in code S was because there weren't any good terrans compared to protoss. That's an interesting memory you have. I also remember that guy Nebuchad, he never said any such thing. The blink era was more terrans whining and whining and whining, maybe three people total in the forum disagreeing with them, while everyone else agreed with terran getting buffed, and then terran going "I can't believe how many protosses are disagreeing with this" even though nobody did. But hey, whatever. | ||
Poopi
France13011 Posts
Anyways all races are whiners and the balance will be hard because some imba units are key in different match-ups (liberators, adepts, mines, ravagers, etc...) and Blizzard seems to only care about PR atm... Edit: also I don't remember if it's this thread but the number of P/Z/T in ro60 is irrelevant because most good players qualified and those who didn't were amateurs at best. | ||
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