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I've never liked Seed as a player, but he does give some great interviews.
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Seed is a boss. Bbyong on the other hand is taking the dark side (hater)... resorting to personal attacks. (Have there been any interviews where Protoss say it's fine? The few I read they said P is favored or strightly OP)
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I believe if Maru, Zest, Soulkey said something similar to what Seed and BByong said, this game would be in complete chaos. Now is the time for listening to do a real teamwork, not the time for DK or anyone else in the develop team does whatever they want and ignoring what the community asks for!!!
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On January 16 2016 14:26 BronzeKnee wrote:Go Seed!
Tell it like it is man! I love that. Totally on point when he says Blizzard has been adjusting unrelated things since WoL. How long was the 4 Gate viable? How long did the 1-1-1 go on for? And how about the Roach max versus Protoss? Now if only Team Liquid representatives would call it like it is. There was a time when I was criticizing Blizzard that they sent me a PM asking me to tone it down because they believe that a constructive discussion about the economy would lead Blizzard away from the reduced mineral patches in LOTV and to a system like double harvesting. How'd that work out Team Liquid? I know you guys want to foster a good relationship with Blizzard, but can't you see they have been the thing standing in the way of SC2 being great since the middle of WOL? It is way past time to say it like it is and get these idiots out of here. Let's let David Kim ruin some other companies games, not SC2. Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 02:25 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 01:28 sAsImre wrote:On January 16 2016 01:23 TheoMikkelsen wrote:
I think the Adept does show too much strength versus Terran, but one must not forget the prospects of the matchup if a nerf is to go through.
just nerf liberator and maybe widow mine First we'll have to figure out if there's a way we can win against non-nerfed terran, so probably in one or one in a half gsl That is sad. I agree that the Adept needs a nerf, I didn't require that Terran figure out a way to win against it. I was all for the moment Winter showed everyone even though many people argued it was no problem and give it more time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/legacy-of-the-void/498748-the-warp-prism-creates-a-mediocre-dynamicAt this point, it is way past time. But the Liberator and Widow Mine could both use nerfs (I don't mind the Liberator nearly as much as the Widow Mine honestly) and we shouldn't have to wait months for the inevitable nerfs. Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 04:38 CheddarToss wrote:On January 16 2016 04:19 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 04:14 Empirimancer wrote:
Bbyong's comment about Protoss lying is pretty funny. I haven't read every interview so I'm sure some Protoss are in denial, but to my knowledge this problem with Adept balance is actually the first time in SC2 history that the players of an OP race are being mostly honest about the problem.
Actually it happens most of the time. The only time it really didn't happen was 2011 T. Yeah, that was the GomTvT period with all the Terran players on the internet claiming that the game is balanced but that the Terran pro players are just so much better than Protoss and Zerg. As much as I dislike him, give Polt and Polt alone credit for stating that Terran was overpowered during GomTvT.
Unfortunately, David Kim is only the balance designer for SC2. He is not responsible for the absurdities of Warp Prism pickup range, Adepts, Liberators, Parasitic Bomb, BL-Infestor, the Warp Gate-Pylon Overcharge-awful Gateway units triad, et al. Blame Dustin Browder instead.
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On January 16 2016 23:13 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 07:27 Lexender wrote:On January 16 2016 04:38 CheddarToss wrote:On January 16 2016 04:19 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 04:14 Empirimancer wrote:
Bbyong's comment about Protoss lying is pretty funny. I haven't read every interview so I'm sure some Protoss are in denial, but to my knowledge this problem with Adept balance is actually the first time in SC2 history that the players of an OP race are being mostly honest about the problem.
Actually it happens most of the time. The only time it really didn't happen was 2011 T. Yeah, that was the GomTvT period with all the Terran players on the internet claiming that the game is balanced but that the Terran pro players are just so much better than Protoss and Zerg. I'm guessing you weren't here for BL/Infestor and the Blink era, I actually remember a certain guy whose name I will not tell but started with N and ended with ebuchad that said that terran was stronger than toss during the blink era and that the reason that where 3 terrans in code S was because there weren't any good terrans compared to protoss. That's an interesting memory you have. I also remember that guy Nebuchad, he never said any such thing. The blink era was more terrans whining and whining and whining, maybe three people total in the forum disagreeing with them, while everyone else agreed with terran getting buffed, and then terran going "I can't believe how many protosses are disagreeing with this" even though nobody did. But hey, whatever.
To be fair, even when Terran was getting dominated in Code S etc with only like 3 players Rain was still calling them literally Broodlord/Infestor.
So there was one!
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On January 17 2016 08:51 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 23:13 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 07:27 Lexender wrote:On January 16 2016 04:38 CheddarToss wrote:On January 16 2016 04:19 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 04:14 Empirimancer wrote:
Bbyong's comment about Protoss lying is pretty funny. I haven't read every interview so I'm sure some Protoss are in denial, but to my knowledge this problem with Adept balance is actually the first time in SC2 history that the players of an OP race are being mostly honest about the problem.
Actually it happens most of the time. The only time it really didn't happen was 2011 T. Yeah, that was the GomTvT period with all the Terran players on the internet claiming that the game is balanced but that the Terran pro players are just so much better than Protoss and Zerg. I'm guessing you weren't here for BL/Infestor and the Blink era, I actually remember a certain guy whose name I will not tell but started with N and ended with ebuchad that said that terran was stronger than toss during the blink era and that the reason that where 3 terrans in code S was because there weren't any good terrans compared to protoss. That's an interesting memory you have. I also remember that guy Nebuchad, he never said any such thing. The blink era was more terrans whining and whining and whining, maybe three people total in the forum disagreeing with them, while everyone else agreed with terran getting buffed, and then terran going "I can't believe how many protosses are disagreeing with this" even though nobody did. But hey, whatever. To be fair, even when Terran was getting dominated in Code S etc with only like 3 players Rain was still calling them literally Broodlord/Infestor. So there was one!
He specified in his interview "If you don't go blink". But of course you're going blink, since why wouldn't you. It's not very different from saying terran is strong right now if you don't go adept. Very likely true, but not super relevant, since of course you're going adepts. Rain was proven wrong later, obviously, as terran wasn't op even when protoss doesn't go blink, but it's still not the same as just stating that terran is really op in the middle of the period with no caveats, which is what's written in history books (mainly thanks to stuchiu's coverage) and is of course completely ridiculous.
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On January 16 2016 01:20 Thouhastmail wrote:
One thing is, they hardly ask things to progamers.
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On January 17 2016 09:00 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 08:51 Phredxor wrote:On January 16 2016 23:13 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 07:27 Lexender wrote:On January 16 2016 04:38 CheddarToss wrote:On January 16 2016 04:19 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 04:14 Empirimancer wrote:
Bbyong's comment about Protoss lying is pretty funny. I haven't read every interview so I'm sure some Protoss are in denial, but to my knowledge this problem with Adept balance is actually the first time in SC2 history that the players of an OP race are being mostly honest about the problem.
Actually it happens most of the time. The only time it really didn't happen was 2011 T. Yeah, that was the GomTvT period with all the Terran players on the internet claiming that the game is balanced but that the Terran pro players are just so much better than Protoss and Zerg. I'm guessing you weren't here for BL/Infestor and the Blink era, I actually remember a certain guy whose name I will not tell but started with N and ended with ebuchad that said that terran was stronger than toss during the blink era and that the reason that where 3 terrans in code S was because there weren't any good terrans compared to protoss. That's an interesting memory you have. I also remember that guy Nebuchad, he never said any such thing. The blink era was more terrans whining and whining and whining, maybe three people total in the forum disagreeing with them, while everyone else agreed with terran getting buffed, and then terran going "I can't believe how many protosses are disagreeing with this" even though nobody did. But hey, whatever. To be fair, even when Terran was getting dominated in Code S etc with only like 3 players Rain was still calling them literally Broodlord/Infestor. So there was one! He specified in his interview "If you don't go blink". But of course you're going blink, since why wouldn't you. It's not very different from saying terran is strong right now if you don't go adept. Very likely true, but not super relevant, since of course you're going adepts. Rain was proven wrong later, obviously, as terran wasn't op even when protoss doesn't go blink, but it's still not the same as just stating that terran is really op in the middle of the period with no caveats, which is what's written in history books (mainly thanks to stuchiu's coverage) and is of course completely ridiculous.
Right now, the top 16 spots on ladder is taken by 10 Terran players. Normally, Terran players don’t do so well on ladder but I feel that things have gotten very serious now that there are 10 Terran players up there. When I see things like that, I feel that I’m not the only one who does badly in PvT. Widow mines have become very OP. In fact, I actually think that BW spider mines were better.
That additional damage against shield was really big. Now Protoss can’t play using a templar build order. Once Terrans realized that, they are now so much more daring. And even without all that, Terran is still too strong. It’s like WoL Brood Lord/Infestor/Corruptor level.
He did later on say that it's hard to win without going blink stalker, but that's some top notch balance whine from the player of the stronger race right there. 
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On January 17 2016 09:46 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2016 09:00 Nebuchad wrote:On January 17 2016 08:51 Phredxor wrote:On January 16 2016 23:13 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 07:27 Lexender wrote:On January 16 2016 04:38 CheddarToss wrote:On January 16 2016 04:19 Nebuchad wrote:On January 16 2016 04:14 Empirimancer wrote:
Bbyong's comment about Protoss lying is pretty funny. I haven't read every interview so I'm sure some Protoss are in denial, but to my knowledge this problem with Adept balance is actually the first time in SC2 history that the players of an OP race are being mostly honest about the problem.
Actually it happens most of the time. The only time it really didn't happen was 2011 T. Yeah, that was the GomTvT period with all the Terran players on the internet claiming that the game is balanced but that the Terran pro players are just so much better than Protoss and Zerg. I'm guessing you weren't here for BL/Infestor and the Blink era, I actually remember a certain guy whose name I will not tell but started with N and ended with ebuchad that said that terran was stronger than toss during the blink era and that the reason that where 3 terrans in code S was because there weren't any good terrans compared to protoss. That's an interesting memory you have. I also remember that guy Nebuchad, he never said any such thing. The blink era was more terrans whining and whining and whining, maybe three people total in the forum disagreeing with them, while everyone else agreed with terran getting buffed, and then terran going "I can't believe how many protosses are disagreeing with this" even though nobody did. But hey, whatever. To be fair, even when Terran was getting dominated in Code S etc with only like 3 players Rain was still calling them literally Broodlord/Infestor. So there was one! He specified in his interview "If you don't go blink". But of course you're going blink, since why wouldn't you. It's not very different from saying terran is strong right now if you don't go adept. Very likely true, but not super relevant, since of course you're going adepts. Rain was proven wrong later, obviously, as terran wasn't op even when protoss doesn't go blink, but it's still not the same as just stating that terran is really op in the middle of the period with no caveats, which is what's written in history books (mainly thanks to stuchiu's coverage) and is of course completely ridiculous. Show nested quote +Right now, the top 16 spots on ladder is taken by 10 Terran players. Normally, Terran players don’t do so well on ladder but I feel that things have gotten very serious now that there are 10 Terran players up there. When I see things like that, I feel that I’m not the only one who does badly in PvT. Widow mines have become very OP. In fact, I actually think that BW spider mines were better.
That additional damage against shield was really big. Now Protoss can’t play using a templar build order. Once Terrans realized that, they are now so much more daring. And even without all that, Terran is still too strong. It’s like WoL Brood Lord/Infestor/Corruptor level. He did later on say that it's hard to win without going blink stalker, but that's some top notch balance whine from the player of the stronger race right there.
Sure no contest there.
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Some protoss players are just so insecure they have to find way to bring up GomTvT everytime their race is on the receiving end of legitimate balance complaint.
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Bbyong is overdramatic.
adepts are OP for sure, but other than that, the matchup is not P favored at all.
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Glad some pro gamer's finally decided to call out blizzard. Way too many personalities (esp in the foreigner scene, although that could be because I hear them more) cowtow, and don't call out horrible decisions such as balance issues, glitches never being fixed and the wcs train wreck system.
Hopefully more of their colleges will follow and we can see some hard, constructive debate and change for the better.
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Thouhastmail, thank you so much for your translating!
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You can't help it but love Bomber's new twitter:
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TY: "Even I can beat GM Terran with my protoss. Balance is insane"
same question, same answer. nah..
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