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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 13 2016 14:59 GMT
#81
On January 13 2016 23:31 Elentos wrote:
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On January 13 2016 23:08 Silvana wrote:
On January 13 2016 20:19 Thouhastmail wrote:
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What does this say? Pls it's too early in the morning to try to google guess korean

It's the schedule

Jan 7: Rag vs Inno, ByuN vs soO
Jan 14: ByuL vs Trust, Soulkey vs Solar
Jan 21: Other Ro16 matches
Jan 28: loser bracket 1st round
Feb 4: Ro8 matches 1 and 2
Feb 11: Ro8 matches 3 and 4
Feb 18: loser bracket 2nd round
Feb 25: semifinals
March 3: loser bracket 3rd round
March 10: loser bracket 4th round
March 17: loser bracket decider
March 24: winner bracket final
March 31: loser final
April 9: Grand Finals

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On January 13 2016 23:15 SeriousLus wrote:
it takes 4 months???????????? to finish a ro16!?!?!?!?!? tournament? holy cow

Well, it's double elimination, that takes some time. And they only get 2 seasons per year. So they have to stretch.

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On January 13 2016 23:14 MrMischelito wrote:
Maybe, if the map pool becomes more stable and rounded they can consider making it all bo7 series. Games are generally shorter in lotv anyways...

They're not that much shorter. In the most recent BO69 the game time averaged ~14 minutes in 49 games in LotV. A previous BO69 in HotS averaged ~17 minutes.

Did you convert HotS minutes to LotV minutes or vice versa though?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 15:14:51
January 13 2016 15:03 GMT
#82
On January 13 2016 23:59 OtherWorld wrote:
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On January 13 2016 23:31 Elentos wrote:
On January 13 2016 23:08 Silvana wrote:
On January 13 2016 20:19 Thouhastmail wrote:
[image loading]


What does this say? Pls it's too early in the morning to try to google guess korean

It's the schedule

Jan 7: Rag vs Inno, ByuN vs soO
Jan 14: ByuL vs Trust, Soulkey vs Solar
Jan 21: Other Ro16 matches
Jan 28: loser bracket 1st round
Feb 4: Ro8 matches 1 and 2
Feb 11: Ro8 matches 3 and 4
Feb 18: loser bracket 2nd round
Feb 25: semifinals
March 3: loser bracket 3rd round
March 10: loser bracket 4th round
March 17: loser bracket decider
March 24: winner bracket final
March 31: loser final
April 9: Grand Finals

On January 13 2016 23:15 SeriousLus wrote:
it takes 4 months???????????? to finish a ro16!?!?!?!?!? tournament? holy cow

Well, it's double elimination, that takes some time. And they only get 2 seasons per year. So they have to stretch.

On January 13 2016 23:14 MrMischelito wrote:
Maybe, if the map pool becomes more stable and rounded they can consider making it all bo7 series. Games are generally shorter in lotv anyways...

They're not that much shorter. In the most recent BO69 the game time averaged ~14 minutes in 49 games in LotV. A previous BO69 in HotS averaged ~17 minutes.

Did you convert HotS minutes to LotV minutes or vice versa though?

Approximated game length via broadcast length, provided by Feardragon. Maybe both should be a bit shorter because he didn't calculate without breaks afaik.
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 13 2016 15:05 GMT
#83
On January 13 2016 22:13 bObA wrote:
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On January 13 2016 22:07 Clonester wrote:
Thats a good format change. The best they could do after the 2 games of the stupid bo3 format have been played already. Next season, they can rethink their format again.


Exact.

+1. Well reacted by the organizers
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 13 2016 15:11 GMT
#84
Oh I see. It was too early in the morning to check OPs
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 13 2016 15:20 GMT
#85
2 bo3 per week O_o
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
January 13 2016 15:24 GMT
#86
On January 14 2016 00:20 Deathstar wrote:
2 bo3 per week O_o

That was the original plan, yes. They'll be doing more than 2 from next week on though.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 13 2016 15:25 GMT
#87
I've always liked double elimination brackets. Maybe not always for always for "leagues" but for weekend tournaments they are tops
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TheLastTemplar
Profile Joined February 2012
Iceland593 Posts
January 13 2016 16:00 GMT
#88
wow this is awesome!!! :D TONS of great games errrmehgawdd
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2226 Posts
January 13 2016 16:02 GMT
#89
absolutely love it!
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
January 13 2016 16:06 GMT
#90
A step in the right direction. Does fuck all to help the scene if you don't qualify though..
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 16:25:34
January 13 2016 16:25 GMT
#91
they listened. Maybe next they'll turn on damaged healthbars too.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 13 2016 16:27 GMT
#92
Changing the format mid-season is kinda odd, but better than the alternative.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
January 13 2016 17:45 GMT
#93
On January 13 2016 12:27 ZAiNs wrote:
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According to another source, "http://m.sports.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=311&aid=0000565684", Spotv at first wanted Bo1 format, and after negotiating with Blizzard who wanted it Bo5, it became Bo3.

BO1??? How could they even consider that...


Best of 1 is the best thing ever. I love it.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 13 2016 18:09 GMT
#94
yay for more SC and yay for "different" format. Whatever reason it is, Im tired of gsl groups for every single tourney
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 23:41:36
January 13 2016 23:41 GMT
#95
On January 13 2016 22:01 OtherWorld wrote:
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On January 13 2016 21:50 Elentos wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:48 cheekymonkey wrote:
On January 13 2016 20:50 Nine Gates wrote:
On January 13 2016 17:44 cheekymonkey wrote:
They actually considered bo.1? I don't think that would make a legitimate tournament in sc2. More like a joke tournament.
Bo1 was used in Brood War OSL Ro16s and in the WoL OSL Ro16. Granted, those were 4 player round robin groups, so each player played three games. But that still makes Bo1 carry the air of skillfullness.


I remember the WoL OSL, and it had a pretty lousy format as well IMO. But single elimination is something else entirely, and pretty much absurd given the variance of the game at this point.

On January 13 2016 17:41 cheekymonkey wrote:
F double elimination. I just despise this format.

Wait so you don't like single elimination and you dislike double elimination? :O

Triple elimination is the answer


Problem is with grand finals. If we have grand final with one player coming unbeatable and the other with 2 loses what will you do? Give 2 series advantage to a player? Hardly a final. Make it even? Hardly fair (though given the different amount of games played maybe it is)

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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 14 2016 08:03 GMT
#96
On January 14 2016 08:41 nimdil wrote:
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On January 13 2016 22:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:50 Elentos wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:48 cheekymonkey wrote:
On January 13 2016 20:50 Nine Gates wrote:
On January 13 2016 17:44 cheekymonkey wrote:
They actually considered bo.1? I don't think that would make a legitimate tournament in sc2. More like a joke tournament.
Bo1 was used in Brood War OSL Ro16s and in the WoL OSL Ro16. Granted, those were 4 player round robin groups, so each player played three games. But that still makes Bo1 carry the air of skillfullness.


I remember the WoL OSL, and it had a pretty lousy format as well IMO. But single elimination is something else entirely, and pretty much absurd given the variance of the game at this point.

On January 13 2016 17:41 cheekymonkey wrote:
F double elimination. I just despise this format.

Wait so you don't like single elimination and you dislike double elimination? :O

Triple elimination is the answer


Problem is with grand finals. If we have grand final with one player coming unbeatable and the other with 2 loses what will you do? Give 2 series advantage to a player? Hardly a final. Make it even? Hardly fair (though given the different amount of games played maybe it is)

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Bo69 with 2 map advantage
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 14 2016 09:36 GMT
#97
I quite like the change, even though i feel SKT payed for it
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