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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19367 Posts
January 13 2016 12:05 GMT
#61
This is the best format to see Terran lose twice. I love it.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
January 13 2016 12:24 GMT
#62
Great news! I did not think they would react, awesome.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
January 13 2016 12:28 GMT
#63
I thought the single elimination was there to stay no matter what we say, it's pretty cool to see the SKT players back (inb4 they lose again and be out of the competition for good)
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
January 13 2016 12:29 GMT
#64
Great !
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
January 13 2016 12:30 GMT
#65
On January 13 2016 21:28 NinjaToss wrote:
I thought the single elimination was there to stay no matter what we say, it's pretty cool to see the SKT players back (inb4 they lose again and be out of the competition for good)

They're playing each other, one of them is out already
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
January 13 2016 12:39 GMT
#66
On January 13 2016 21:30 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:28 NinjaToss wrote:
I thought the single elimination was there to stay no matter what we say, it's pretty cool to see the SKT players back (inb4 they lose again and be out of the competition for good)

They're playing each other, one of them is out already

ah you're right, I forgot they were playing each other, but I guess one game is better than nothing. Hard one since I like both of them
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
January 13 2016 12:48 GMT
#67
On January 13 2016 20:50 Nine Gates wrote:
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On January 13 2016 17:44 cheekymonkey wrote:
They actually considered bo.1? I don't think that would make a legitimate tournament in sc2. More like a joke tournament.
Bo1 was used in Brood War OSL Ro16s and in the WoL OSL Ro16. Granted, those were 4 player round robin groups, so each player played three games. But that still makes Bo1 carry the air of skillfullness.


I remember the WoL OSL, and it had a pretty lousy format as well IMO. But single elimination is something else entirely, and pretty much absurd given the variance of the game at this point.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3503 Posts
January 13 2016 12:50 GMT
#68
Lovely! Also I think the winner of winners bracket choosing the first map in the finals is probably the best way it's ever been done. Playing from 1 map up, or starting 2-1, or 2-0 was simply too much and made for a shitty finals.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
January 13 2016 12:50 GMT
#69
On January 13 2016 21:48 cheekymonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 20:50 Nine Gates wrote:
On January 13 2016 17:44 cheekymonkey wrote:
They actually considered bo.1? I don't think that would make a legitimate tournament in sc2. More like a joke tournament.
Bo1 was used in Brood War OSL Ro16s and in the WoL OSL Ro16. Granted, those were 4 player round robin groups, so each player played three games. But that still makes Bo1 carry the air of skillfullness.


I remember the WoL OSL, and it had a pretty lousy format as well IMO. But single elimination is something else entirely, and pretty much absurd given the variance of the game at this point.

On January 13 2016 17:41 cheekymonkey wrote:
F double elimination. I just despise this format.

Wait so you don't like single elimination and you dislike double elimination? :O
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 12:55:21
January 13 2016 12:51 GMT
#70
On January 13 2016 21:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:48 cheekymonkey wrote:
On January 13 2016 20:50 Nine Gates wrote:
On January 13 2016 17:44 cheekymonkey wrote:
They actually considered bo.1? I don't think that would make a legitimate tournament in sc2. More like a joke tournament.
Bo1 was used in Brood War OSL Ro16s and in the WoL OSL Ro16. Granted, those were 4 player round robin groups, so each player played three games. But that still makes Bo1 carry the air of skillfullness.


I remember the WoL OSL, and it had a pretty lousy format as well IMO. But single elimination is something else entirely, and pretty much absurd given the variance of the game at this point.

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 17:41 cheekymonkey wrote:
F double elimination. I just despise this format.

Wait so you don't like single elimination and you dislike double elimination? :O


I mean bo1 single elimination. bo3's into bo5's is pretty much standard at this point. GSL even has/had group stages with bo3's, which is/was pretty good. It's just too sad to see great players knocked out by chance. I hate double elimination too, because it makes for such an anticlimactic grand finals.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 13 2016 13:01 GMT
#71
On January 13 2016 21:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:48 cheekymonkey wrote:
On January 13 2016 20:50 Nine Gates wrote:
On January 13 2016 17:44 cheekymonkey wrote:
They actually considered bo.1? I don't think that would make a legitimate tournament in sc2. More like a joke tournament.
Bo1 was used in Brood War OSL Ro16s and in the WoL OSL Ro16. Granted, those were 4 player round robin groups, so each player played three games. But that still makes Bo1 carry the air of skillfullness.


I remember the WoL OSL, and it had a pretty lousy format as well IMO. But single elimination is something else entirely, and pretty much absurd given the variance of the game at this point.

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 17:41 cheekymonkey wrote:
F double elimination. I just despise this format.

Wait so you don't like single elimination and you dislike double elimination? :O

Triple elimination is the answer
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 13:02:48
January 13 2016 13:01 GMT
#72
On January 13 2016 21:51 cheekymonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:50 Elentos wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:48 cheekymonkey wrote:
On January 13 2016 20:50 Nine Gates wrote:
On January 13 2016 17:44 cheekymonkey wrote:
They actually considered bo.1? I don't think that would make a legitimate tournament in sc2. More like a joke tournament.
Bo1 was used in Brood War OSL Ro16s and in the WoL OSL Ro16. Granted, those were 4 player round robin groups, so each player played three games. But that still makes Bo1 carry the air of skillfullness.


I remember the WoL OSL, and it had a pretty lousy format as well IMO. But single elimination is something else entirely, and pretty much absurd given the variance of the game at this point.

On January 13 2016 17:41 cheekymonkey wrote:
F double elimination. I just despise this format.

Wait so you don't like single elimination and you dislike double elimination? :O


I mean bo1 single elimination. bo3's into bo5's is pretty much standard at this point. GSL even has/had group stages with bo3's, which is/was pretty good. It's just too sad to see great players knocked out by chance. I hate double elimination too, because it makes for such an anticlimactic grand finals.

Why does it make for anticlimactic grand finals? Because there's a chance you see the same series in the semifinals? I dunno, I like a good comeback story.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 13:11:30
January 13 2016 13:06 GMT
#73
On January 13 2016 22:01 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:51 cheekymonkey wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:50 Elentos wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:48 cheekymonkey wrote:
On January 13 2016 20:50 Nine Gates wrote:
On January 13 2016 17:44 cheekymonkey wrote:
They actually considered bo.1? I don't think that would make a legitimate tournament in sc2. More like a joke tournament.
Bo1 was used in Brood War OSL Ro16s and in the WoL OSL Ro16. Granted, those were 4 player round robin groups, so each player played three games. But that still makes Bo1 carry the air of skillfullness.


I remember the WoL OSL, and it had a pretty lousy format as well IMO. But single elimination is something else entirely, and pretty much absurd given the variance of the game at this point.

On January 13 2016 17:41 cheekymonkey wrote:
F double elimination. I just despise this format.

Wait so you don't like single elimination and you dislike double elimination? :O


I mean bo1 single elimination. bo3's into bo5's is pretty much standard at this point. GSL even has/had group stages with bo3's, which is/was pretty good. It's just too sad to see great players knocked out by chance. I hate double elimination too, because it makes for such an anticlimactic grand finals.

Why does it make for anticlimactic grand finals? Because there's a chance you see the same series in the semifinals?


Partly, but also because it's a like a dual tournament featuring the lesser players, which I don't find that interesting, even though the winner will be a finalist. I just dislike the dynamic, IMO a tournament should be a linear progression to the top. Maybe I'm just scarred from past MLG formats, where the loser bracket finals got a 0-2 /0-3 initial score or something because he faced off against the "real" finalist previously. THAT's an anticlimactic finals.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
January 13 2016 13:07 GMT
#74
Thats a good format change. The best they could do after the 2 games of the stupid bo3 format have been played already. Next season, they can rethink their format again.
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bObA
Profile Joined May 2012
France300 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 13:14:27
January 13 2016 13:13 GMT
#75
On January 13 2016 22:07 Clonester wrote:
Thats a good format change. The best they could do after the 2 games of the stupid bo3 format have been played already. Next season, they can rethink their format again.


Exact.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 13 2016 14:08 GMT
#76
On January 13 2016 20:19 Thouhastmail wrote:
[image loading]


What does this say? Pls it's too early in the morning to try to google guess korean
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
January 13 2016 14:14 GMT
#77
Maybe, if the map pool becomes more stable and rounded they can consider making it all bo7 series. Games are generally shorter in lotv anyways...
SeriousLus
Profile Joined July 2012
169 Posts
January 13 2016 14:15 GMT
#78
it takes 4 months???????????? to finish a ro16!?!?!?!?!? tournament? holy cow
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 13 2016 14:23 GMT
#79
On January 13 2016 23:08 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 20:19 Thouhastmail wrote:
[image loading]


What does this say? Pls it's too early in the morning to try to google guess korean


Basically the source for schedule in OP
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 14:34:08
January 13 2016 14:31 GMT
#80
On January 13 2016 23:08 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 20:19 Thouhastmail wrote:
[image loading]


What does this say? Pls it's too early in the morning to try to google guess korean

It's the schedule

Jan 7: Rag vs Inno, ByuN vs soO
Jan 14: ByuL vs Trust, Soulkey vs Solar
Jan 21: Other Ro16 matches
Jan 28: loser bracket 1st round
Feb 4: Ro8 matches 1 and 2
Feb 11: Ro8 matches 3 and 4
Feb 18: loser bracket 2nd round
Feb 25: semifinals
March 3: loser bracket 3rd round
March 10: loser bracket 4th round
March 17: loser bracket decider
March 24: winner bracket final
March 31: loser final
April 9: Grand Finals

On January 13 2016 23:15 SeriousLus wrote:
it takes 4 months???????????? to finish a ro16!?!?!?!?!? tournament? holy cow

Well, it's double elimination, that takes some time. And they only get 2 seasons per year. So they have to stretch.

On January 13 2016 23:14 MrMischelito wrote:
Maybe, if the map pool becomes more stable and rounded they can consider making it all bo7 series. Games are generally shorter in lotv anyways...

They're not that much shorter. In the most recent BO69 the game time averaged ~14 minutes in 49 games in LotV. A previous BO69 in HotS averaged ~17 minutes.
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