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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 21 2015 18:56 PinoKotsBeer wrote: "But but it adds so much action to the game....." "we thought invincible nydus worms are pretty cool gameplay, you can see it but not destroy it lol. When done as an allin the chance is pretty high that the zerg will destroy a lot of workers, which is one of the most exciting aspects of starcraft"  | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 21 2015 09:02 Big J wrote: Areas to look into asap: PvZ balance... Protoss gets shit on in macro games when they don't go heavy robo, Protoss is easily killed by mutas if they go heavy robo. Suggestion: Substantially nerf mutalisks, tune down the amount of workers as the increased amount of workers make economy ramp up so fast that early tech pressure, in particular stargate pressure, is meaningless. Ultralisk armor is too strong TvZ and ZvP, tune down to +3 at least. Parasitic Bomb nerfed substantially. PO to 50energy, seeing HuK throw down 3gates and a forge and halting unit production as a response to a 1base ghost allin to instawin for 25energy cannot be the desired goal. Tank siege pick up removed. At this point I'm not sure any caster hasnt openly voiced his disgust about it in TvT, how much more negative feedback does it take? ZvZ early game fixes, very urgent since 2011. Lots of zerg streamer have openly said that they dont enjoy the endless ling/bling rushing in Legacy. And it's not like the matchup has ever been very popular, which last but not least is rooted in the fact that 50% of your games are nothing but braindead ling/bling wars. Warp Prism 50gas cost added or something along those lines. The unit is just way too strong for its cost at the moment. Completely agree with all of this, but I can only repeat myself: If you nerf parasite bomb without nerfing Protoss and Terran Air, Zerg is going to be screwed. It's currently the only weapon we have right now against the heavily buffed air armies. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 21 2015 21:43 KeksX wrote: Completely agree with all of this, but I can only repeat myself: If you nerf parasite bomb without nerfing Protoss and Terran Air, Zerg is going to be screwed. It's currently the only weapon we have right now against the heavily buffed air armies. A good change would be to make it non stackable AND make it easier to see on which unit the spell was casted on | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 21 2015 21:55 The_Red_Viper wrote: A good change would be to make it non stackable AND make it easier to see on which unit the spell was casted on Visual cue yes, but the stacking would be a nerf. And I really don't see how Zerg would hold up against air with that. It's already problematic as is(Air play in general). Honestly, at this point I'd just like to see a global damage nerf. Shit deals too much damage. There's too many (delayed) oneshots in this game atm. It's fun and all, but I think it'd be better if we had more lenient damage values. If that is the right word. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
The spell would still be quite strong, but counterplay would be a lot easier which is a good thing imo Honestly, at this point I'd just like to see a global damage nerf. Shit deals too much damage Creates a parasitic cloud that deals 90 damage over 7 seconds to the target and enemy air units nearby. If the target dies, the cloud remains in the air where the enemy unit died until it expires. It deals so much damage BECAUSE it stacks | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 21 2015 22:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well yes the stacking would be a nerf , but i think it would be a good one. The spell would still be quite strong, but counterplay would be a lot easier which is a good thing imo It deals so much damage BECAUSE it stacks Yeah and it has to deal so much damage because Liberators deal so much damage, and Carriers deal so much damage, and so on ... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 21 2015 22:36 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't agree with this, the aoe effect alone would be good enough. It should be a spell which helps you against air, not destroys air. Liberators are exactly the same though, difference being you don't need mana and they're earlier on the field. But they still completely annihilate any non-Viper based Zerg army. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18040 Posts
On November 21 2015 09:02 Big J wrote: Areas to look into asap: until WCS 2016 is announced with dates and a schedule i'm not sure anything is urgent. | ||
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HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
On November 21 2015 22:38 KeksX wrote: Liberators are exactly the same though, difference being you don't need mana and they're earlier on the field. But they still completely annihilate any non-Viper based Zerg army. Liberators are actually garbage against Corruptors, as well as Carriers and especially Tempests, and they're actually bad in small numbers. | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1387 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 22 2015 01:43 PinoKotsBeer wrote: To me the game feels like : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/460550-welcome-to-zparcraft-ii all over again. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/12/Qualifiers/KRTWCN | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
They should bring back Valks, they were only good in small numbers against big number of units. I know people think this is bad game design. But if it allows a race to use a whole different build, then I would say its good design. Liberators are just meh, as if Terran would need another mass it lategame unit. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 22 2015 01:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: until WCS 2016 is announced with dates and a schedule i'm not sure anything is urgent. I'm not participating in WCS 2016 and I don't see a connection between that and my potential gaming experience. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
I switch stream to BasetradeTV: "We would never do an only ZvZ tournament. Like guys, do you really want to cast as twenty 14/14s in a row?" ... and that's why I still haven't bought this game, as a Zerg player 33% of my time is automatically wasted when I press the search opponent button. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 22 2015 05:03 Big J wrote: Funny, I open TakeTV, they discuss what's better(worse), ZvZ or PvP. "Stalker/Disruptor is really cool", "Yeah but Ravager/Roach is cool too", "Yeah, but we never get to see that because games never get there". I switch stream to BasetradeTV: "We would never do an only ZvZ tournament. Like guys, do you really want to cast as twenty 14/14s in a row?" ... and that's why I still haven't bought this game, as a Zerg player 33% of my time is automatically wasted when I press the search opponent button. But the same thing could happen in ZvZ in HotS and LotV. | ||
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