You most certainly don't.

My GF games on a 6700HQ/GTX 1060 laptop while I have a 7700K/GTX 1070 desktop.

Even with her 6700HQ at stock (3.5GHZ), it is a buttery smooth 60 FPS at the start of matches, but dips down to as low as 15 FPS late game when a lot is going on.

I OC'ed my 7700K to a stable 5.1GHZ, and this is probably the best CPU for SC2 within sane limits. With all settings on medium and physics disabled, I was getting 10FPS when I went mass phoenix while my partner went mass lings. Yes you read that right - 10 FPS on a 5.1GHZ 7700K.

Admittedly this was an extreme case, but there's not a single consumer-grade CPU out there that can maintain a constant 60FPS for SC2 co-op's late-game, especially when playing swarmy heroes.

Fezvezfez

58 Posts

October 10 2017 19:58 GMT

#1124

Welp, it seems that I lost the access to my TL account and can't update the guide anymore... Anyways, great people are making new guides, and more in-depth, so that's nice.

I am trying to get in the SC2 AI Workshop, wish me luck guys!

BaneRiders

Sweden3630 Posts

October 10 2017 20:02 GMT

#1125

On October 11 2017 04:58 Fezvezfez wrote:
Welp, it seems that I lost the access to my TL account and can't update the guide anymore... Anyways, great people are making new guides, and more in-depth, so that's nice.

I am trying to get in the SC2 AI Workshop, wish me luck guys!

Ouch, gl!

curufinwe_wins

68 Posts

October 21 2017 22:27 GMT

#1126

On October 01 2017 18:38 EngrishTeacher wrote:

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How much more swarmy do you want it to get to? For the record... I did see exactly two frames below 30fps going through this at game speed (one to 20 and one to 15), but that isn't bad. I do run it completely max settings 1440p.

Until the mid-end late game I am never below 60fps (my stock refresh rate is 100 FPS, but using a g-sync panel so not a terrible deal.)

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I'll play a game with stukov in game and throw up a screen for better exactness (although replays in theory put the exact same amount of stress on the game that the original does since all AI and other behavior is off-server).

curufinwe_wins

68 Posts

October 21 2017 22:48 GMT

#1127

Yeah... not sure how much more swarmy it can be really.... Minimums for me are in the 30s, normal run even end-game is pretty much holding around 60.

For the record, I run a 5820k at 4.5 GHz with two 980tis (obviously SLI doesn't help on this game.)

Maybe the dramatic memory bandwidth advantage I have over dual channel systems is what keeps things from getting absolutely awful minimums... I don't have the answers, only my own results.

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Icysoul

Canada254 Posts

November 15 2017 15:57 GMT

#1128

What builds have you guys been finding successful with HH? I've been trying the standard air fleet + hellions hellbat mix, I've also tried having flying reapers be the main mineral dump. My main concern has always been the durability of the army. The ground mineral dumps are too fragile, and once it is down to mainly the air units, the air units can hold their own but suffer too much loss for how difficult they are to replace.

Rizare

Canada592 Posts

November 15 2017 16:29 GMT

#1129

Hard to say, I only got to play 1 game with them and it takes a while for me to get used to new commanders. First impression is Han units are used like Zagara units where you just mass and throw them away..

Doesn't help that there are crash issues because of the patch and game is unplayable because of how random they are.

APurpleCow

United States1372 Posts

November 16 2017 02:53 GMT

#1130

CC at rocks -> 3 galleons (clear rocks) -> gas -> 2 more galleons -> drones -> bombers.

Bombers are sweet in a lot of missions; they track units that you directly target, so you can pick off scary shit like casters, and it's not too hard to time it to help clear waves.

Reapers become a lot better with the flying upgrade. I dump most of my money into them, but I always get a couple of hellions just for the aerosolized stim and slow. I've been very impressed with widow mines as well, though they can be hard to use in some missions.

Not sure about Horner's units. I don't have self-healing for them yet, but I believe that'll make a huge difference. All of them seem good.

BigRedDog

461 Posts

November 16 2017 22:17 GMT

#1131

How does one play hh commander in the map parts and parcel? I'm having a hard time to level up hh in that map. Even with normal difficulty, it seems that I always run out of time before I can get enough parts or kill the hybrid.

What composition should I be aiming for?

29 fps

United States5722 Posts

November 17 2017 01:02 GMT

#1132

On November 17 2017 07:17 BigRedDog wrote:
How does one play hh commander in the map parts and parcel? I'm having a hard time to level up hh in that map. Even with normal difficulty, it seems that I always run out of time before I can get enough parts or kill the hybrid.

What composition should I be aiming for?

I get mass reapers because they can run around the map quickly. If you have the upgrade for the hellions, get that one and hellions. Wraiths and BCs from Horner. Ignore the first train unless your ally is carrying.

Since your ground army is fragile, you will lose a lot of units. However, if you're on top of your macro, you should be fine.

BigRedDog

461 Posts

November 19 2017 03:10 GMT

#1133

On November 17 2017 10:02 29 fps wrote:

I get mass reapers because they can run around the map quickly. If you have the upgrade for the hellions, get that one and hellions. Wraiths and BCs from Horner. Ignore the first train unless your ally is carrying.

Since your ground army is fragile, you will lose a lot of units. However, if you're on top of your macro, you should be fine.

Thanks. I am at level 5 now and reapers can fly and move so much faster. Level 1, they were so slow. Now it is easier to play as Han and Horner. I also learn to build more widow mines and borrow them in my base as defense (with towers and mag mines).

APurpleCow

United States1372 Posts

November 21 2017 02:00 GMT

#1134

Why the hell'd they buff Stukov's tanks to EIGHTEEN range? He was already one of the easiest Mutation commanders and they were already great units--now they're just stupid strong.

Celial

2602 Posts

November 21 2017 17:14 GMT

#1135

because nobody built them (except dead of night)

technically, nobody built ANYTHING with gas except overseers. and they put a lot of his design decisions into the tanks - interactions with zombies, deep tunnel, the spine crawler, etc etc

so it makes sense to soft force people into building tanks

BigRedDog

461 Posts

November 21 2017 21:02 GMT

#1136

Wow. Those tanks will be Uber strong =).. The problem is that before the buff, the range of the tank is so short... Even normal Terran tank out range them. If you face a Terran mech Z you are screwed

Celial

2602 Posts

November 22 2017 10:52 GMT

#1137

Btw, what is the fastest and easiest commander for leveling mastery levels on regular brutal?

Stukov is out for me because I have a potato computer and he lags me to death.

BigRedDog

461 Posts

November 22 2017 12:18 GMT

#1138

On November 22 2017 19:52 Celial wrote:
Btw, what is the fastest and easiest commander for leveling mastery levels on regular brutal?

Stukov is out for me because I have a potato computer and he lags me to death.

If you have a partner to grind with you, you can try lock n load map. Good coordination will get you clear the map Rather quickly

TheDougler

Canada8302 Posts

December 20 2017 18:37 GMT

#1139

Nova is very easy to level and is easy on the computer due to having so few units, and is super strong to boot. I highly recommend her.

APurpleCow

United States1372 Posts

February 21 2018 01:53 GMT

#1140

Fenix and Horner feel a lot better now, but I don't think either are top tier. Horner's early game is too slow and Fenix's maxed army is too weak.

Bombers are tons of fun. Send one out as a scout gain vision of enemy attack waves, then the rest can target a unit for tracking.

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