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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 13 2015 11:25 GMT
#181
On October 13 2015 18:39 Dumbledore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 04:53 LongShot27 wrote:
Kespa shop, let us buy jerseys, caps, team branded crap. Us losers will give you soooo much money


Best suggestion so far.


I aim too please.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
October 13 2015 11:32 GMT
#182
Great season and the best SC2 league on the planet. I love you guys and thank you for everything!!

2 points -

1) Maps. As lots of people have previously stated.

2) Incentivize teams playing ALL their players. For example, if every player on the team gets 1 win in the same round, that team gets bonus points (a significant amount). Maybe 2 wins, I'm not sure what the best way to do it would be. But anything to encourage teams to improve all their players and showcase them all as well would be great. Fresh faces almost always create more excitement.

“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 13 2015 11:50 GMT
#183
On October 13 2015 20:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Great season and the best SC2 league on the planet. I love you guys and thank you for everything!!

2 points -

1) Maps. As lots of people have previously stated.

2) Incentivize teams playing ALL their players. For example, if every player on the team gets 1 win in the same round, that team gets bonus points (a significant amount). Maybe 2 wins, I'm not sure what the best way to do it would be. But anything to encourage teams to improve all their players and showcase them all as well would be great. Fresh faces almost always create more excitement.



Yeah lets not do that.

The best and easiest way for more players to play is to move to best of 7 and add 1 or 2 rounds
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 13 2015 11:57 GMT
#184
On October 13 2015 20:50 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Great season and the best SC2 league on the planet. I love you guys and thank you for everything!!

2 points -

1) Maps. As lots of people have previously stated.

2) Incentivize teams playing ALL their players. For example, if every player on the team gets 1 win in the same round, that team gets bonus points (a significant amount). Maybe 2 wins, I'm not sure what the best way to do it would be. But anything to encourage teams to improve all their players and showcase them all as well would be great. Fresh faces almost always create more excitement.



Yeah lets not do that.

The best and easiest way for more players to play is to move to best of 7 and add 1 or 2 rounds


I don't see how adding more rounds will incentivize using a broader base of players.
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esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 12:12:49
October 13 2015 12:12 GMT
#185
Hey, proleague was amazing this year again. I'd just like to see more games and more players being fielded. Would be nice to have bo7 during regular season as well.
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 13 2015 12:39 GMT
#186
On October 13 2015 20:57 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:50 LongShot27 wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:32 J. Corsair wrote:
Great season and the best SC2 league on the planet. I love you guys and thank you for everything!!

2 points -

1) Maps. As lots of people have previously stated.

2) Incentivize teams playing ALL their players. For example, if every player on the team gets 1 win in the same round, that team gets bonus points (a significant amount). Maybe 2 wins, I'm not sure what the best way to do it would be. But anything to encourage teams to improve all their players and showcase them all as well would be great. Fresh faces almost always create more excitement.



Yeah lets not do that.

The best and easiest way for more players to play is to move to best of 7 and add 1 or 2 rounds


I don't see how adding more rounds will incentivize using a broader base of players.


It forces teams to not hold on to bench players for more games, it forces teams to use B-teamers when A-teamers go to tournaments.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
October 13 2015 12:45 GMT
#187
Harsher punishments for hideous crimes like typing Korean "gg".

Also (and seriously): More teams but I understand that that's not entirely in KeSPA's control.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
October 13 2015 12:56 GMT
#188
On October 13 2015 21:45 Penev wrote:
Harsher punishments for hideous crimes like typing Korean "gg".

Also (and seriously): More teams but I understand that that's not entirely in KeSPA's control.


I mean, no disqualification for jin air in finals, was so disappointing
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Ve5pa
Profile Joined December 2014
United Kingdom252 Posts
October 13 2015 13:19 GMT
#189
The problem with the 5 year rule is that it's completely contradictory to the format of the league, especially with big teams having so many players. Basically if you sign for a Proleague team, you can only play for them for 5 years in the Proleague even if you move on to another team. But those teams are just fielding the same 4 (best) players that they have.
The rule is archaic and outdated, it's designed to not let young players be bought and sold like pieces of meat but in reality it hampers them if they can't break into the top 4 of a 'big team' whereas they could easily get into the top 4 of a slightly smaller team and would get games thus enhancing their experience and careers. This provides way to much protection for the bigger teams with the most cash. Also some players like to travel abroad whilst they are young and competitive on the international scene, when they return home to Korea after a year or two away they should not be penalised for taking high level SC2 across the globe.

Another thing that could be done to assist more players getting a run out in Proleague is to encourage some of the better players to travel to foreign competitions. Jin Air seems to do this the most. The rest of the teams only really do it near the end of the season if a player just needs 'x' amounts of points to get to Blizzcon. We must remember that the players are paid a salary (some very large) to represent their team, and in Korea the best way to represent your team is to play well in Proleague, but perhaps the teams should also consider that the career of a Progamer isn't that long and offering them the chance to see the world and earn their own prize money is something they should support.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
October 13 2015 13:38 GMT
#190
My feedback:

Give Prime Money...
yeah sorry, but Prime was left with 4 players and zero chance to do something. Prime-matches have been like "yeah lol, will someone really lose a map to them?". Think about some additional money for prime so they can atleast fight against MVP and Samsung.

Let PartinG play.
Just for the sake of good games, hype and fans, let him play (if he wants).

Bo7:
I think most people have said enough about that. I know even Bo5 take alot of time, but with LotV the games will be faster and it gives so much more of everything, games, hypes, sick comebacks, 4:0 sweeps, chances for players and so on.

Finals:
The final event was great but I allways think that it is a bit frustraiting, when the semi- and the Ro4 in the playoffs are Bo3 with Bo7s each, while the finals are only one Bo7. Maybe think something out for that case.

Marketing:
Please give us the opportunity to buy jerseys, shirts and so on from all Kespa teams. Have you seen these Samsung jackets? SBENU stuff? SKT 1 jersey? Sell it, we will buy it!

ObserverPC for foreign casters:
Make it possible that the english stream can either show their cam or the offical observercam.

RIP Sojung?
Where is she?

Amateurs:
Give the teams something for drafting or recruting fresh faces.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5624 Posts
October 13 2015 13:46 GMT
#191
On October 13 2015 22:38 Clonester wrote:
RIP Sojung?
Where is she?

Modelling for Jamilro last I heard, but couldn't find her pictures on their website anymore...
don't wall off against random
Ve5pa
Profile Joined December 2014
United Kingdom252 Posts
October 13 2015 14:24 GMT
#192
On October 13 2015 22:38 Clonester wrote:


Let PartinG play.
Just for the sake of good games, hype and fans, let him play (if he wants).




KeSpa is a Korean government organisation and they have rules, you can't just bend the rules for certain people, however if the rules are outdated they can be changed.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
October 13 2015 14:33 GMT
#193
On October 13 2015 23:24 Ve5pa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 22:38 Clonester wrote:


Let PartinG play.
Just for the sake of good games, hype and fans, let him play (if he wants).




KeSpa is a Korean government organisation and they have rules, you can't just bend the rules for certain people, however if the rules are outdated they can be changed.


KeSpa is not a gouvernment organisation.
And yeah, they have rules. But this rule seems to hurt not only special players, but also viewers, fans, hype and the games. Reducing the "cooldown" after leaving a team during contract time from 5 years to maybe 1 or 2 years could be possible.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Ve5pa
Profile Joined December 2014
United Kingdom252 Posts
October 13 2015 14:43 GMT
#194
On October 13 2015 23:33 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 23:24 Ve5pa wrote:
On October 13 2015 22:38 Clonester wrote:


Let PartinG play.
Just for the sake of good games, hype and fans, let him play (if he wants).




KeSpa is a Korean government organisation and they have rules, you can't just bend the rules for certain people, however if the rules are outdated they can be changed.


KeSpa is not a gouvernment organisation.
And yeah, they have rules. But this rule seems to hurt not only special players, but also viewers, fans, hype and the games. Reducing the "cooldown" after leaving a team during contract time from 5 years to maybe 1 or 2 years could be possible.


Well the parent org is the Korean Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism and KeSpa works within their remit, so it kind of is.... Also affiliate to Korean Olympic Comittee.

But I totally agree with your other point as I mentioned before
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
October 13 2015 14:56 GMT
#195
I just wanna reiterate from what others in the thread have said:
1) more proleague-unique maps; especially the crazy ones are fun to watch, and if they turn out to be imbalanced you can just remove them after 1 round
2) Kespa/Proleague/team merchandise please - let us support you and the teams
3) BRING BACK 10Q 10A!!!! I loved that show, it's so nice to get some of the players' personality and to see them in a casual setting with their friends

And lastly, if we are allowed to make unrealistic wishes, something could be done to rejuvenate Prime...though they may already be a lost cause...
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
October 13 2015 15:01 GMT
#196
I love Wolf, Brendan, and Moonglade, but I echo the sentiment of studying the players' histories better. No one mentioned that the last game of the finals was played between two former teammates who won Proleague only 2 years ago while members of STX Soul. I understand only Brendan and Moonglade were casting the last game, so maybe Wolf would have remembered.


Vector locked in.
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
October 13 2015 15:35 GMT
#197
proleague is by far my favorite starcraft event.

What i would reaaaaally like to see is BO7 coming back, so as to see more subs playing and more emphasis on depth, rather than a team able to survive with a 1-2 punch
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 13 2015 15:42 GMT
#198
- SPL unique map with a map rotation closer to what BW had. Maybe take a look at SHOUTCRAFT Clan wars (even if the maps are all a little bit too much).

- A spoilerless platform where we can watch matches without having to search on teamiquid.

- I will buy EVERY KT Rolster merchandising available if in reasonable price. (No to 600$ jacket).

- Consider 2v2 OR archon mode (but not if in a Bo5 format). Would love to see Bo7 if schedule could permit it.

- Would love to be abble to watch SPL on weekends (but i guess not possible because schedule and tournaments).

- More empasis on player music could be fun. For exemple in order to reveal an ACE match player. Would love to hear the music before they enter the stage. Like in WWE
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Tomzzz
Profile Joined August 2013
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 15:49:57
October 13 2015 15:42 GMT
#199
First of all I would like to thank the proleague organisation and tell them than this has been a pleasure watching proleague all year long.

For good points I would say that this year was a big improvement in term of organization compared to last year. I loved the studio, the stream was always on time and did not have any problem, it was a pleasure really.

Concerning improvement to be made, personnaly I would love to change the match format to Bo7. Why? not just because it would give me the occasion to see more of the best starcraft in the world, but also and mostly because it would allow us to see new, talented young players with a lot of potential that can not currently be used by coaches because a Bo5 is much less flexible than a Bo7.
Let's be real, we saw most of the teams using the same 4 players over and over again, jin air or KT comes to mind for example. It would be exciting to see new rising stars get a shot a the big scene as well !!

To finish, I would love to see more tri-cast on the english stream. I don't really understand why there are 3 korean casters and only 2 english ones. This way I could see my favorite caster @Wolf comment all the matches. What a treat that would be...
Wolf if you read this, thank you for making me love Starcraft so much over the past few years even though i never played it myself. And thanks again KesPa !!

Ps: Where the fuck is Sojung ? She was so cool
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
October 13 2015 16:23 GMT
#200
On October 13 2015 22:46 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 22:38 Clonester wrote:
RIP Sojung?
Where is she?

Modelling for Jamilro last I heard, but couldn't find her pictures on their website anymore...

What I gathered from glancing at her twitter is that she talks about cars and a coffee bar a lot.
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