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On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you
I agree.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2015 02:57 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 23:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
I hope more follow TRUE's lead. The sooner they unlock the regions again the better WCS S3 this year was, at least for me, by far the most enjoyable and entertaining one... because it was mostly Foreigners competing against each other, everyone with their unique story and flair. This is supposed to be a tournament designed to give Foreigners a grand stage to perform on, I don't want to see it being high-jacked by Koreans who are not competent enough to compete in their own region. We already have Dreamhack and IEM and MSI and Asus ROG and GFinity to give the Koreans who seek international audiences their stages to perform on, gain WCS points and earn cash. WCS is unique, can we please keep it that way? Look, I understand that, with Koreans mixed it, you get more high quality games... but a non-region-locked WCS is a bastardized version of it. The best of the best (and most interesting ones, imho) still stay in their home region and don't compete in WCS. So you end up with neither the most interesting story lines, nor the highest quality of games. There were 15 international tournaments this year that, for the most part, attracted very good Koreans. All I am asking for is 3 tournaments a year where it is not the same fucking names from the Ro8 on. You have your 15 tournaments, let us have 3... there is no need to force your views on what is enjoyable down everyone's throat and make all tournaments the same according to what you enjoy the most. I don't want to see Polt vs. Hydra or Hydra vs. ForGG finals every damn WCS season and I sure don't want to see another one mixed in with those names. I am sorry for dragging this thread further offtopic and I am glad that TRUE has found a new team, he is a great player... I just cannot feel happy about the announcement that he is going to compete in WCS...
Completely agreed.
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On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you I agree.
That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions.
When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social.
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On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you I agree. That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions. When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social.
No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case.
- "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL.
- Ceremonies like the trap cards
- Darth vader in SPL.
- MarinKing doesn't speak english.
- You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match.
And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too.
Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one.
Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and didn't cry and that he just look sad at the end of his SPL loss ? (i know you didn't cited FlaSh. I took an exemple).
Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is :
"Faceless koreans is not true".
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On October 01 2015 22:48 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you I agree. That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions. When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social. No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case. - "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL. (Ryung) - Ceremonies like the trap cards (PartinG) - Darth vader in SPL. (Flash) - MarinKing doesn't speak english. (MarineKing) - You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match. And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too. Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one. Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and look sad at the end of his SPL loss ? Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is : "Faceless koreans is not true".
I guess for you i need to list every korean when i make a statement to differentiate which 1s im refering to but instead you target the guys you know im not targeting let alone 1 of your examples was PartinG and he was even on my list. The koreans i listed Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine i can't find a single example of when they actually showed any of these qualities.
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On October 01 2015 22:56 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 22:48 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you I agree. That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions. When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social. No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case. - "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL. (Ryung) - Ceremonies like the trap cards (PartinG) - Darth vader in SPL. (Flash) - MarinKing doesn't speak english. (MarineKing) - You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match. And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too. Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one. Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and look sad at the end of his SPL loss ? Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is : "Faceless koreans is not true". I guess for you i need to list every korean when i make a statement to differentiate which 1s im refering to but instead you target the guys you know im not targeting let alone 1 of your examples was PartinG and he was even on my list. The koreans i listed Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine i can't find a single example of when they actually showed any of these qualities.
So... Why are you aggressive again ? Apparently i don't explained my point very well
You are saying these guys don't have emotions. I disagree. Not sure how to explain it better. Innovation is famous for being a machine (could he bet fanservicing ?) Or maybe he is just focused ? . Shine have a really great personality that only shows IG (imo) with all his crazy strats. Reality played mech vs SH so i don't have no opinion on him. Trap i see him really happy on stage on that tournament with oracles where he controlled like a beast. Or maybe i'm mistaken again for something else but point is. It's just 5 guys. And that happens with foreigners too...
iDra ? Or Naniwa ? "Going 28-2". "It's ok"
I just don't see faceless where you seem (or people ?) to see.
Of course again... Hope it's better explained
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On October 02 2015 00:39 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 22:56 SNSeigifried wrote:On October 01 2015 22:48 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you I agree. That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions. When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social. No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case. - "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL. (Ryung) - Ceremonies like the trap cards (PartinG) - Darth vader in SPL. (Flash) - MarinKing doesn't speak english. (MarineKing) - You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match. And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too. Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one. Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and look sad at the end of his SPL loss ? Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is : "Faceless koreans is not true". I guess for you i need to list every korean when i make a statement to differentiate which 1s im refering to but instead you target the guys you know im not targeting let alone 1 of your examples was PartinG and he was even on my list. The koreans i listed Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine i can't find a single example of when they actually showed any of these qualities. So... Why are you aggressive again ? Apparently i don't explained my point very well You are saying these guys don't have emotions. I disagree. Not sure how to explain it better. Innovation is famous for being a machine (could he bet fanservicing ?) Or maybe he is just focused ? . Shine have a really great personality that only shows IG (imo) with all his crazy strats. Reality played mech vs SH so i don't have no opinion on him. Trap i see him really happy on stage on that tournament with oracles where he controlled like a beast. Or maybe i'm mistaken again for something else but point is. It's just 5 guys. And that happens with foreigners too... iDra ? Or Naniwa ? "Going 28-2". "It's ok" I just don't see faceless where you seem (or people ?) to see. Of course again... Hope it's better explained
The whole point of my comments were to say that if the player doesn't have emotion or can't find a way to connect with the audience people have trouble finding a reason to root for them i never said all koreans don't have emotion but you are trying to say that what i said is 100% false which is very inaccurate because their are a good chunk of koreans who fall in to category. I also never said all foreigners have emotion or a way to connect with the audience but it is easier for them to do it just by the fact that they speak English and are overseas more then the koreans. Also strategies within games aren't emotions just saying and their are more then five guys I'm not gonna name all of them i was giving examples...
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On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/
I agree. I look forward greatly to the day when we don't have a scene that actively attempts with desperation to force anybody out of competitive play who isn't Korean (in case you haven't noticed, this has been a thing for a long while now). I also don't anticipate it becoming a reality before SC3, for reasons that definitely include the events this discussion is centered around.
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On October 02 2015 01:42 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 00:39 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 22:56 SNSeigifried wrote:On October 01 2015 22:48 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you I agree. That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions. When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social. No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case. - "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL. (Ryung) - Ceremonies like the trap cards (PartinG) - Darth vader in SPL. (Flash) - MarinKing doesn't speak english. (MarineKing) - You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match. And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too. Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one. Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and look sad at the end of his SPL loss ? Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is : "Faceless koreans is not true". I guess for you i need to list every korean when i make a statement to differentiate which 1s im refering to but instead you target the guys you know im not targeting let alone 1 of your examples was PartinG and he was even on my list. The koreans i listed Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine i can't find a single example of when they actually showed any of these qualities. So... Why are you aggressive again ? Apparently i don't explained my point very well You are saying these guys don't have emotions. I disagree. Not sure how to explain it better. Innovation is famous for being a machine (could he bet fanservicing ?) Or maybe he is just focused ? . Shine have a really great personality that only shows IG (imo) with all his crazy strats. Reality played mech vs SH so i don't have no opinion on him. Trap i see him really happy on stage on that tournament with oracles where he controlled like a beast. Or maybe i'm mistaken again for something else but point is. It's just 5 guys. And that happens with foreigners too... iDra ? Or Naniwa ? "Going 28-2". "It's ok" I just don't see faceless where you seem (or people ?) to see. Of course again... Hope it's better explained The whole point of my comments were to say that if the player doesn't have emotion or can't find a way to connect with the audience people have trouble finding a reason to root for them i never said all koreans don't have emotion but you are trying to say that what i said is 100% false which is very inaccurate because their are a good chunk of koreans who fall in to category. I also never said all foreigners have emotion or a way to connect with the audience but it is easier for them to do it just by the fact that they speak English and are overseas more then the koreans. Also strategies within games aren't emotions just saying and their are more then five guys I'm not gonna name all of them i was giving examples...
I wasn't trying to say that. I just misunderstood you  BBeing not a native speekers tends to do that :p
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On October 01 2015 19:04 ZombieFrog wrote:
Happy for true, i know his English is pretty good now, and he always wanted to travel and go to tournaments, it's why he joined dead pixels in the first place and now psistorm gaming instead of Kespa teams.
That aside, I still don't get the rage against players going to other regions. People certainly don't care in other sports. In basketball for example, there are plenty of European players in the NBA, and there are a limited number of players that can make it in the NBA, but no one screams that they are taking spots from Americans because they make it by being better then the competition, which is legitimate in any competition.
It baffles my mind to this day that when basically asked, Do you want to see games between better players or games between players who are worse at the game but happen to be born in a similar region of the world or share a skin color with you?, that there are people who would rather see the later. Someone by coincidence being born in the same country as me does not make them anymore interesting to watch. I'm watching for the games played.
This is not an issue about skin color, I have no idea why you are trying to make it one...
And your example about the NBA is seriously flawed. In your example, players from the EU or other parts of the world leave their home area because it lacks the competitive nature of the NBA; basketball in Germany, for example, is not a big deal and the level of competition is lacking compared to the NBA. This is even more true for other parts of the world that are not as populated as Germany or EU in general or don't even offer competitions for basketball.
I would be entirely fine with Foreigners going to Korea to compete in a harder environment. Although they don't really have to do it, there are enough international tournaments that provide them opportunities to compete against the best of the best.
In any case, translating this to your NBA example would be similar to this: TRUE (and similar players) could be compared to established NBA players who made use of the superior infrastructure of training and competition in the NBA to get an advantage over players in other parts of the world, only to then leave the NBA to compete in local tournaments in other parts of the world where they are at a significant advantage. The result would be a few well trained and experienced ex-NBA players completely dominating the local tournament scene of, for example, Austrian or Italian amateur leagues or something similar.
Yes, in the long term the local scene might benefit from the raised level of competition... but it would kill any enjoyment for the spectators during the first few years. Every tournament would be a question of "which of those 5 former NBA stars is going to win this tournament again?"
It baffles my mind to this day that when basically asked, Do you want to see games between better players or games between players who are worse at the game but happen to be born in a similar region of the world or share a skin color with you?, that there are people who would rather see the later.
This is a gross misrepresentation of the situation and I was under the impression that I did a sufficient job of explaining, why the games, which feature the best of the best players, are not always the most enjoyable ones. I will try to explain it once more:
What I want to see in WCS is interesting story lines, similar to what we had in WCS 2015 S3 with Lilbow, Mana or Patraeus. When I want to see the best of the best compete against each other, I watch SSL, GSL or Proleague... or Kespa Cup... or Hot6Cup... and I can see those games almost every week of the year.
If I want to see Foreigners compete against Koreans, I had 15 tournaments this year that were large enough to attract Koreans and provide WCS points. That is usually not the highest level of play but something in between, with a small number or Foreigners thrown in for good measure.
The only significant stage for Foreigners to compete against other Foreigners is WCS - at least this is what it was supposed to be. Please accept that there are people, like me, who want to see tournaments such as those.
And you are screaming and pleading to remove that stage, that setup, in order to get yet another mixed tournament - of which we already had 15 this year - that will be won by the same Korean names over and over and over again.
Please let us have those 3 tournaments a year, I cannot stress that enough.
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you
You are entirely missing the point. This is not about nationality but rather in what kind of competitive environment they were training and growing up (see above). I don't want German soccer teams from the Bundesliga to start competing in Australian Amateur leagues either. In your line of logic you would be entirely fine with that because the German team is clearly better than the home grown players, right? Yay, go Germans, destroy those filthy Australian amateurs who are not as good as your are! Am I doing it right?
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On October 02 2015 05:34 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you You are entirely missing the point. This is not about nationality but rather in what kind of competitive environment they were training and growing up (see above). I don't want German soccer teams from the Bundesliga to start competing in Australian Amateur leagues either. In your line of logic you would be entirely fine with that because the German team is clearly better than the home grown players, right? Yay, go Germans, destroy those filthy Australian amateurs who are not as good as your are! Am I doing it right?
i'm not missing the point at all. moving to a new region of the world to compete is a serious commitment, and anyone is entitled to find work wherever they are living. the fact that he has korean training means nothing to me. why should i want north americans and south americans to win wcs? are they somehow more like me than koreans or deserving of charity? it's not TRUEs fault that there isn't as much profit and infrastructure in foreign starcraft. if he can win a tournament he should join it. by your logic SKT players shouldn't get to compete with prime players because their environment and training make them better.
would you bar foreign pro players from competing in minor online cups because amateur GMs can't compete with them? you're just drawing arbitrary lines of skill. the world is a competitive place, if you're good you should win. the responsibility for raising the level of foreign starcraft is on foreign audiences and players.
if foreigners want to have their own special tournaments where only they can compete, just drop the entire foreign pro scene and make it "amateurs only". it's laughable and pathetic that people want to call foreigners professional but want to protect them from interacting with the best
your point of view is fine, think whatever you want. just seems silly and myopic to me. id rather watch better players than hallucinate that there are sponsors for the foreign scene solid enough to justify an exclusive field.
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On October 02 2015 07:32 Circumstance wrote:Let's just get rid of this part of the discussion now, because it's both idiotic and inflammatory. So, to make things ENTIRELY clear: This.Has.Nothing.To.Do.With.Skin.Color.
All those asian-americans/canadians and you forgot Hitman?
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On October 02 2015 07:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:All those asian-americans/canadians and you forgot Hitman?
No picture on Liquipedia. I was surprised too, I was sure someone would have uploaded his smirk. The last link isn't the same as the others and is also important to the point I'm making in the post, BTW.
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On October 02 2015 07:32 Circumstance wrote:Let's just get rid of this part of the discussion now, because it's both idiotic and inflammatory. So, to make things ENTIRELY clear: This.Has.Nothing.To.Do.With.Skin.Color.
it has a lot to do with perceptions of culture and unfair prejudice based on language barriers, though, which is less inflammatory than "skin color" but still flawed and ignorant thinking
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Meanwhile, TRUE is like
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To me this seems like a brilliant move. True I think fits great in the NA scene, he has exciting games and I think will be a lot more successful here.
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On October 02 2015 08:30 rotta wrote:Meanwhile, TRUE is like
Pimpin aint easy
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