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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 19:24:36
September 29 2015 19:23 GMT
#1


TRUE has joined NA based PSISTORM Gaming. It is also now confirmed that TRUE will be moving to NA to play in WCS.

PSISTORM's Lineup:

(P)Arium
(Z)DemiLove
(Z)EnDerr
EndofLine
(T)intense
Mygrain
(Z)NoRegreT
(Z)TRUE
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 29 2015 19:24 GMT
#2
Weird move, but best of luck!
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FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
September 29 2015 19:26 GMT
#3
To echo what I said in the other thread - I am super excited to have TRUE joining PSISTORM. I really believe he will help bring our team to the next level. Welcome aboard!


Now, having said that... Man, I didnt realize how Zerg heavy we are :D haha
We really gotta get some more Toss and Terran up in here!
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 19:27:46
September 29 2015 19:27 GMT
#4
Weird indeed. Wonder what Dead Pixels could not provide that PSISTORM can. I guess WCS NA, but surely arrangements could have been made with DP for him to participate in EU if he wanted..?

Hope all works out well!
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
September 29 2015 19:28 GMT
#5
Great, we needed another Korean taking a WCS NA seed /s
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
September 29 2015 19:29 GMT
#6
TRUE would be a worthy WCS champion.
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
September 29 2015 19:34 GMT
#7
Wowwwwwww, great pickup for PSISTORM.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 29 2015 19:45 GMT
#8
On the one hand, this is a big step up for a team that's done great work for the scene. On the other hand...

On September 30 2015 04:28 Solar424 wrote:
Great, we needed another Korean taking a WCS NA seed /s

The world is better when every background has a chance.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 29 2015 19:49 GMT
#9
On September 30 2015 04:28 Solar424 wrote:
Great, we needed another Korean taking a WCS NA seed /s

this, but without the sarcasm
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 29 2015 19:49 GMT
#10
Rofl that's really a weird move isn't it
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 29 2015 19:54 GMT
#11
hopefully he can be a good influence on Demilove
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 29 2015 19:59 GMT
#12
On September 30 2015 04:54 Shellshock wrote:
hopefully he can be a good influence on Demilove

Will Demilove finally fulfill his potential and become the first Indian bonjwa?
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klipik12
Profile Joined March 2012
United States241 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 20:03:08
September 29 2015 20:02 GMT
#13
On September 30 2015 04:27 Blargh wrote:
Weird indeed. Wonder what Dead Pixels could not provide that PSISTORM can. I guess WCS NA, but surely arrangements could have been made with DP for him to participate in EU if he wanted..?

Hope all works out well!


What probably happened is his contract ran out, and PSI gave him a better offer than DPix. Whether that be in straight salary, more tournament opportunities, housing, travel, or just that he wanted to play in NA.
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
September 29 2015 20:08 GMT
#14
Wut
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Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
September 29 2015 20:22 GMT
#15
That was bit unexpected I was kind of hoping to see a few players return to Kespa but I think this will be a great move for his career and he should do very well the NA scene
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TLgowno
Profile Joined January 2015
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 20:28:39
September 29 2015 20:28 GMT
#16
Region Lock Cracked. Again.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6327 Posts
September 29 2015 20:30 GMT
#17
Getting a Korean to WCS via US Athlete visa is harder than you thought.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 29 2015 20:40 GMT
#18
On September 30 2015 05:30 digmouse wrote:
Getting a Korean to WCS via US Athlete visa is harder than you thought.

Clearly. People who had no interest in leaving Korea until the WCS region lock can only take up *half* of the NA slots for S1 2016.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
DocSchlakk
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria172 Posts
September 29 2015 20:41 GMT
#19
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 29 2015 20:46 GMT
#20
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
September 29 2015 20:47 GMT
#21
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

No probably not.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10666 Posts
September 29 2015 20:49 GMT
#22
I wonder what this is going to mean for TRUE...really interesting decision on his part....
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DocSchlakk
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 20:53:49
September 29 2015 20:53 GMT
#23
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )
"Heroes don`t do drugs!....except Drugman, I guess!?"
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 29 2015 20:54 GMT
#24
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

people just like to blame koreans for the fact that foreigner starcraft isn't profitable
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DocSchlakk
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 20:59:09
September 29 2015 20:58 GMT
#25
On September 30 2015 05:54 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

people just like to blame koreans for the fact that foreigner starcraft isn't profitable



yeah, i mean, thats maybe not the thread for it....but thats not really the koreans fault isnt it?...i mean..EU proved to "break out" of this paradigm?...NA can to that too, and i see alot of change going on there (fingers crossed)...i heard arium is somehow a prodigy? any bets on him maybe?
"Heroes don`t do drugs!....except Drugman, I guess!?"
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 29 2015 21:03 GMT
#26
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

The "took our jobs" comparison is inaccurate because the number of "jobs" in this case is inherently fixed. It doesn't matter how good Americans become over the next year, there will only be 8 slots for them, and people who have had the natural advantage of being born, raised, and trained in Korea and only being American long enough for them to get into WCS will always be limiting that number even further. Imagine, for instance, INTZ or Kabum deciding to sign Naniwa and move him to Brazil so he can get a Latin American spot in WCS because he can't make it in Europe. That'd be pretty unfair to Kelazhur and Major, wouldn't it? People would be rightfully angered if that occurred. Koreans, however, get defenders because they are Korean.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
September 29 2015 21:07 GMT
#27
can't wait to see TRUE win WCS next year!
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 29 2015 21:08 GMT
#28
On September 30 2015 06:03 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

The "took our jobs" comparison is inaccurate because the number of "jobs" in this case is inherently fixed. It doesn't matter how good Americans become over the next year, there will only be 8 slots for them, and people who have had the natural advantage of being born, raised, and trained in Korea and only being American long enough for them to get into WCS will always be limiting that number even further. Imagine, for instance, INTZ or Kabum deciding to sign Naniwa and move him to Brazil so he can get a Latin American spot in WCS because he can't make it in Europe. That'd be pretty unfair to Kelazhur and Major, wouldn't it? People would be rightfully angered if that occurred. Koreans, however, get defenders because they are Korean.

Actually, given how non-Korean players from the NA region performed this year, I don't exclude the fact that there will be less than 8 spots for NA in next year's WCS.
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DocSchlakk
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 21:15:53
September 29 2015 21:15 GMT
#29
On September 30 2015 06:03 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

The "took our jobs" comparison is inaccurate because the number of "jobs" in this case is inherently fixed. It doesn't matter how good Americans become over the next year, there will only be 8 slots for them, and people who have had the natural advantage of being born, raised, and trained in Korea and only being American long enough for them to get into WCS will always be limiting that number even further. Imagine, for instance, INTZ or Kabum deciding to sign Naniwa and move him to Brazil so he can get a Latin American spot in WCS because he can't make it in Europe. That'd be pretty unfair to Kelazhur and Major, wouldn't it? People would be rightfully angered if that occurred. Koreans, however, get defenders because they are Korean.


for this example : yeah it would be unfair indeed, but...

naniwa wouldn´t get the spot "automatically"...or?...wouldn´t he need to qualify for WCS? and even until there, he can get knocked out aswell, from an latin american player? - and there is still this chance, (okay,..its TRUE...he´s korean..etc etc) that TRUE CAN be kicked out..by a (better) NA player...(or is this, outrageous to even think, that an NA player kicks TRUE out of qualifiers?)

"Heroes don`t do drugs!....except Drugman, I guess!?"
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 29 2015 21:19 GMT
#30
On September 30 2015 06:15 DocSchlakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 06:03 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

The "took our jobs" comparison is inaccurate because the number of "jobs" in this case is inherently fixed. It doesn't matter how good Americans become over the next year, there will only be 8 slots for them, and people who have had the natural advantage of being born, raised, and trained in Korea and only being American long enough for them to get into WCS will always be limiting that number even further. Imagine, for instance, INTZ or Kabum deciding to sign Naniwa and move him to Brazil so he can get a Latin American spot in WCS because he can't make it in Europe. That'd be pretty unfair to Kelazhur and Major, wouldn't it? People would be rightfully angered if that occurred. Koreans, however, get defenders because they are Korean.


for this example : yeah it would be unfair indeed, but...

naniwa wouldn´t get the spot "automatically"...or?...wouldn´t he need to qualify for WCS? and even until there, he can get knocked out aswell, from an latin american player? - and there is still this chance, (okay,..its TRUE...he´s korean..etc etc) that TRUE CAN be kicked out..by a (better) NA player...(or is this, outrageous to even think, that an NA player kicks TRUE out of qualifiers?)


It's not. See StarDust.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 29 2015 21:22 GMT
#31
On September 30 2015 06:19 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 06:15 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 06:03 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

The "took our jobs" comparison is inaccurate because the number of "jobs" in this case is inherently fixed. It doesn't matter how good Americans become over the next year, there will only be 8 slots for them, and people who have had the natural advantage of being born, raised, and trained in Korea and only being American long enough for them to get into WCS will always be limiting that number even further. Imagine, for instance, INTZ or Kabum deciding to sign Naniwa and move him to Brazil so he can get a Latin American spot in WCS because he can't make it in Europe. That'd be pretty unfair to Kelazhur and Major, wouldn't it? People would be rightfully angered if that occurred. Koreans, however, get defenders because they are Korean.


for this example : yeah it would be unfair indeed, but...

naniwa wouldn´t get the spot "automatically"...or?...wouldn´t he need to qualify for WCS? and even until there, he can get knocked out aswell, from an latin american player? - and there is still this chance, (okay,..its TRUE...he´s korean..etc etc) that TRUE CAN be kicked out..by a (better) NA player...(or is this, outrageous to even think, that an NA player kicks TRUE out of qualifiers?)


It's not. See StarDust.

That fact that your chances against these players can be 20% instead of 0% doesn't make what is occurring acceptable.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
erLL
Profile Joined December 2014
Norway13 Posts
September 29 2015 21:26 GMT
#32
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


Or maybe they are just... Better?
P R I M E
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 29 2015 21:28 GMT
#33
On September 30 2015 06:22 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 06:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 30 2015 06:15 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 06:03 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

The "took our jobs" comparison is inaccurate because the number of "jobs" in this case is inherently fixed. It doesn't matter how good Americans become over the next year, there will only be 8 slots for them, and people who have had the natural advantage of being born, raised, and trained in Korea and only being American long enough for them to get into WCS will always be limiting that number even further. Imagine, for instance, INTZ or Kabum deciding to sign Naniwa and move him to Brazil so he can get a Latin American spot in WCS because he can't make it in Europe. That'd be pretty unfair to Kelazhur and Major, wouldn't it? People would be rightfully angered if that occurred. Koreans, however, get defenders because they are Korean.


for this example : yeah it would be unfair indeed, but...

naniwa wouldn´t get the spot "automatically"...or?...wouldn´t he need to qualify for WCS? and even until there, he can get knocked out aswell, from an latin american player? - and there is still this chance, (okay,..its TRUE...he´s korean..etc etc) that TRUE CAN be kicked out..by a (better) NA player...(or is this, outrageous to even think, that an NA player kicks TRUE out of qualifiers?)


It's not. See StarDust.

That fact that your chances against these players can be 20% instead of 0% doesn't make what is occurring acceptable.

Wait.
Are you telling me that someone having a legit visa to compete in WCS through the US of A is "not acceptable"?
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 29 2015 21:56 GMT
#34
On September 30 2015 06:26 erLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


Or maybe they are just... Better?


Yeah us NA people are just all very lazy and stupid. This is a very logical explanation and we should not support efforts for increased competition on the server /s

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DocSchlakk
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 22:13:03
September 29 2015 22:11 GMT
#35
wow wow ! guys!!!

i was just asking....about that "attitude" where koreans "take" NA spots,...don´t get all "x is better than y" up here...(or maybe take that to pm´s? or another thread?)

if it promotes "better" SC from NA! --> yaaay!!
if it splits opinions and ecourage "hate" ---> naaay!

sooo, lets be happy for TRUE! and...hope that it (maybe?) encourages more NA ppl to "bust koreans" and take the spots they are entitled to!
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yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
September 29 2015 22:46 GMT
#36
Bummer, was hoping to have him rejoin a KESPA team. Now looks like he wants to take the route Hydra did and get WCS money/points the easier way than actively competing in Korea.
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ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
September 29 2015 23:28 GMT
#37
In a move surprising no-one ever, when you create a much easier tournament with lots of prizemoney to be won even without being the eventual champion, vs the most top-heavy and stacked tournaments in South Korea, people will move to where they can get the most money.

Shock horror, I know
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10666 Posts
September 29 2015 23:42 GMT
#38
On September 30 2015 08:28 ClanWars wrote:
In a move surprising no-one ever, when you create a much easier tournament with lots of prizemoney to be won even without being the eventual champion, vs the most top-heavy and stacked tournaments in South Korea, people will move to where they can get the most money.

Shock horror, I know

It is a pretty big deal regardless of this simplistic mindset, maybe you clearly do not understand the significance of moving from Dead Pixels to PSI STORM GAMING.
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stoker_
Profile Joined September 2015
1 Post
September 29 2015 23:50 GMT
#39
I believe it has been mentioned in the past that TRUE was taking English classes, so it is entirely possible that a move to NA is for his personal development as well as for competing in WCS. Has it been mentioned anywhere whether he'll be applying for an athlete or student visa?
ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
September 30 2015 00:15 GMT
#40
On September 30 2015 08:42 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 08:28 ClanWars wrote:
In a move surprising no-one ever, when you create a much easier tournament with lots of prizemoney to be won even without being the eventual champion, vs the most top-heavy and stacked tournaments in South Korea, people will move to where they can get the most money.

Shock horror, I know

It is a pretty big deal regardless of this simplistic mindset, maybe you clearly do not understand the significance of moving from Dead Pixels to PSI STORM GAMING.


heh, ok. sure
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Light_VIP
Profile Joined April 2014
Australia107 Posts
September 30 2015 00:31 GMT
#41
Finally I have someone to cheer for in WCS
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
September 30 2015 00:39 GMT
#42
Damn, big plays from Psistorm. I remember when they were like a 1-2 player org, cool to see them with a big roster now.
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
September 30 2015 01:33 GMT
#43
On September 30 2015 05:54 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:53 DocSchlakk wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:46 Circumstance wrote:
On September 30 2015 05:41 DocSchlakk wrote:
sorry for the question...but..is this REALLY? a huge thing?....a korean "getting an US spot for WCS" ?

i mean,...are there so many -potential- NA players who could actually/really close the bag in WCS?

Success begets success. Hydra couldn't beat Rogue in aan offline tournament while he was on CJ, but he did after seeing success on Root. Polt won more than twice as many Premier tournaments against top-tier competition after moving to the US. Europeans succeed more than North Americans because there are so many more EU events and online events on the EU server.


not arguing about "how many events there are in EU (because, there are more than in NA, no question) i just dont get this (hostile?) stand on..."koreans tuk er jeerbs" thing, which i read here (not THIS thread in particular) since that announcement.

so you are saying, that TRUE could just...benefit, being on a NA team?...(yeah, better to cook with all the spices than just the ones you know,..i like to say xD )

people just like to blame koreans for the fact that foreigner starcraft isn't profitable


Hasn't the highest viewership always come from foreigners vs Koreans?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10666 Posts
September 30 2015 01:52 GMT
#44
On September 30 2015 05:28 TLgowno wrote:
Region Lock Cracked. Again.

Basically this is how I feel haha... T_T
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zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
September 30 2015 02:33 GMT
#45
On September 30 2015 10:52 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 05:28 TLgowno wrote:
Region Lock Cracked. Again.

Basically this is how I feel haha... T_T



I dont understand why people get upset over this? This is a normal thing... You see this in actual sports where a player gets dual citizenship to play for another country. This happens in Futbol, this happens in the olympics.... its all up to where the player feels its right for them. I don't think they should be blamed. You know, you might see it as "Hey that korean is coming over to take American players out and win their money" But its a god damn sacrifice to come to a country you don't know, with people who don't speak your language. To leave everyone you know!!! I've had to move to countries where they didnt speak my native tongue but thankfully i was lucky to have someone with me for the time I had to move. If not i dont know what I would of done.
Sure you can say they have their team but unless this is like Root where there is a legit house and all your team lives together and keeps each other company it can get pretty lonely.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
September 30 2015 03:55 GMT
#46
desperate times demands desperate measures
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
September 30 2015 04:54 GMT
#47
Shocking!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 30 2015 14:04 GMT
#48
I hope more follow TRUE's lead. The sooner they unlock the regions again the better
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
September 30 2015 14:32 GMT
#49
Take that in your face region lock !

Need a little more though.
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
September 30 2015 16:54 GMT
#50
On September 30 2015 23:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
I hope more follow TRUE's lead. The sooner they unlock the regions again the better


The sooner the unlock the regions, the less you will see TRUE, so what this shows is that the region lock really works, if you want more high level people to compete full time in NA. Getting a visa is not an issue as several examples have shown this year, if you and your team are serious about your business.
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Nezgar
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-30 23:59:16
September 30 2015 17:57 GMT
#51
On September 30 2015 23:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
I hope more follow TRUE's lead. The sooner they unlock the regions again the better


WCS S3 this year was, at least for me, by far the most enjoyable and entertaining one... because it was mostly Foreigners competing against each other, everyone with their unique story and flair. This is supposed to be a tournament designed to give Foreigners a grand stage to perform on, I don't want to see it being high-jacked by Koreans who are not competent enough to compete in their own region. We already have Dreamhack and IEM and MSI and Asus ROG and GFinity to give the Koreans who seek international audiences their stages to perform on, gain WCS points and earn cash. WCS is unique, can we please keep it that way?
Look, I understand that, with Koreans mixed it, you get more high quality games... but a non-region-locked WCS is a bastardized version of it. The best of the best (and most interesting ones, imho) still stay in their home region and don't compete in WCS. So you end up with neither the most interesting story lines, nor the highest quality of games.
There were 15 international tournaments this year that, for the most part, attracted very good Koreans. All I am asking for is 3 tournaments a year where it is not the same fucking names from the Ro8 on. You have your 15 tournaments, let us have 3... there is no need to force your views on what is enjoyable down everyone's throat and make all tournaments the same according to what you enjoy the most.
I don't want to see Polt vs. Hydra or Hydra vs. ForGG finals every damn WCS season and I sure don't want to see another one mixed in with those names.

I am sorry for dragging this thread further offtopic and I am glad that TRUE has found a new team, he is a great player... I just cannot feel happy about the announcement that he is going to compete in WCS...
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10666 Posts
September 30 2015 19:26 GMT
#52
On October 01 2015 02:57 Nezgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 23:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
I hope more follow TRUE's lead. The sooner they unlock the regions again the better


WCS S3 this year was, at least for me, by far the most enjoyable and entertaining one... because it was mostly Foreigners competing against each other, everyone with their unique story and flair. This is supposed to be a tournament designed to give Foreigners a grand stage to perform on, I don't want to see it being high-jacked by Koreans who are not competent enough to compete in their own region. We already have Dreamhack and IEM and MSI and Asus ROG and GFinity to give the Koreans who seek international audiences their stages to perform on, gain WCS points and earn cash. WCS is unique, can we please keep it that way?
Look, I understand that, with Koreans mixed it, you get more high quality games... but a non-region-locked WCS is a bastardized version of it. The best of the best (and most interesting ones, imho) still stay in their home region and don't compete in WCS. So you end up with neither the most interesting story lines, now the highest quality of games.
There were 15 international tournaments this year that, for the most part, attracted very good Koreans. All I am asking for is 3 tournaments a year where it is not the same fucking names from the Ro8 on. You have your 15 tournaments, let us have 3... there is no need to force your views on what is enjoyable down everyone's throat and make all tournaments the same according to what you enjoy the most.
I don't want to see Polt vs. Hydra or Hydra vs. ForGG finals every damn WCS season and I sure don't want to see another one mixed in with those names.

I am sorry for dragging this thread further offtopic and I am glad that TRUE has found a new team, he is a great player... I just cannot feel happy about the announcement that he is going to compete in WCS...

Completely agree here and I think you couldn't of said it better, thanks.
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Hughgrant
Profile Joined June 2015
32 Posts
September 30 2015 22:58 GMT
#53
What kind of contract do these player get from this kind of "small team" ? Decent salary ? Travel expenses ? anyone has any idea ?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 30 2015 23:13 GMT
#54
All this proves is that Yugioh was the greatest and bravest man to have ever lived.
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ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
October 01 2015 01:05 GMT
#55
On October 01 2015 07:58 Hughgrant wrote:
What kind of contract do these player get from this kind of "small team" ? Decent salary ? Travel expenses ? anyone has any idea ?


Absolutely, but according to GGZerg I have no idea what I'm talking about so best listen to him instead XD
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 09:12:07
October 01 2015 09:11 GMT
#56
On October 01 2015 10:05 ClanWars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 07:58 Hughgrant wrote:
What kind of contract do these player get from this kind of "small team" ? Decent salary ? Travel expenses ? anyone has any idea ?


Absolutely, but according to GGZerg I have no idea what I'm talking about so best listen to him instead XD


Of course you have no idea ! Who are you ? A team owner ? A caster ? A figure in SC2 ? Oh wait...

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ZombieFrog
Profile Joined August 2014
United States87 Posts
October 01 2015 10:04 GMT
#57
Happy for true, i know his English is pretty good now, and he always wanted to travel and go to tournaments, it's why he joined dead pixels in the first place and now psistorm gaming instead of Kespa teams.

That aside, I still don't get the rage against players going to other regions. People certainly don't care in other sports. In basketball for example, there are plenty of European players in the NBA, and there are a limited number of players that can make it in the NBA, but no one screams that they are taking spots from Americans because they make it by being better then the competition, which is legitimate in any competition.

It baffles my mind to this day that when basically asked, Do you want to see games between better players or games between players who are worse at the game but happen to be born in a similar region of the world or share a skin color with you?, that there are people who would rather see the later. Someone by coincidence being born in the same country as me does not make them anymore interesting to watch. I'm watching for the games played.
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 10:49:03
October 01 2015 10:43 GMT
#58
Hate it, don't want more Koreans grabbing easy money in foreign WCS. I don't want to move into this direction again.
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 10:48:44
October 01 2015 10:48 GMT
#59
edit double post
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 11:08:09
October 01 2015 11:07 GMT
#60
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 01 2015 13:25 GMT
#61
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you


I agree.
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pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
October 01 2015 13:34 GMT
#62
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 01 2015 02:57 Nezgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2015 23:04 showstealer1829 wrote:
I hope more follow TRUE's lead. The sooner they unlock the regions again the better


WCS S3 this year was, at least for me, by far the most enjoyable and entertaining one... because it was mostly Foreigners competing against each other, everyone with their unique story and flair. This is supposed to be a tournament designed to give Foreigners a grand stage to perform on, I don't want to see it being high-jacked by Koreans who are not competent enough to compete in their own region. We already have Dreamhack and IEM and MSI and Asus ROG and GFinity to give the Koreans who seek international audiences their stages to perform on, gain WCS points and earn cash. WCS is unique, can we please keep it that way?
Look, I understand that, with Koreans mixed it, you get more high quality games... but a non-region-locked WCS is a bastardized version of it. The best of the best (and most interesting ones, imho) still stay in their home region and don't compete in WCS. So you end up with neither the most interesting story lines, nor the highest quality of games.
There were 15 international tournaments this year that, for the most part, attracted very good Koreans. All I am asking for is 3 tournaments a year where it is not the same fucking names from the Ro8 on. You have your 15 tournaments, let us have 3... there is no need to force your views on what is enjoyable down everyone's throat and make all tournaments the same according to what you enjoy the most.
I don't want to see Polt vs. Hydra or Hydra vs. ForGG finals every damn WCS season and I sure don't want to see another one mixed in with those names.

I am sorry for dragging this thread further offtopic and I am glad that TRUE has found a new team, he is a great player... I just cannot feel happy about the announcement that he is going to compete in WCS...



Completely agreed.
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SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
October 01 2015 13:37 GMT
#63
On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you


I agree.

That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions.
When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 13:54:10
October 01 2015 13:48 GMT
#64
On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you


I agree.

That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions.
When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social.


No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case.

- "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL.
- Ceremonies like the trap cards
- Darth vader in SPL.
- MarinKing doesn't speak english.
- You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match.

And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too.

Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one.

Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and didn't cry and that he just look sad at the end of his SPL loss ? (i know you didn't cited FlaSh. I took an exemple).

Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is :

"Faceless koreans is not true".
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SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 13:57:20
October 01 2015 13:56 GMT
#65
On October 01 2015 22:48 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you


I agree.

That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions.
When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social.


No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case.

- "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL. (Ryung)
- Ceremonies like the trap cards (PartinG)
- Darth vader in SPL. (Flash)
- MarinKing doesn't speak english. (MarineKing)
- You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match.

And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too.

Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one.

Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and look sad at the end of his SPL loss ?

Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is :

"Faceless koreans is not true".

I guess for you i need to list every korean when i make a statement to differentiate which 1s im refering to but instead you target the guys you know im not targeting let alone 1 of your examples was PartinG and he was even on my list. The koreans i listed Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine i can't find a single example of when they actually showed any of these qualities.
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SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 13:57:00
October 01 2015 13:56 GMT
#66
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 15:46:52
October 01 2015 15:39 GMT
#67
On October 01 2015 22:56 SNSeigifried wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 22:48 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you


I agree.

That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions.
When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social.


No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case.

- "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL. (Ryung)
- Ceremonies like the trap cards (PartinG)
- Darth vader in SPL. (Flash)
- MarinKing doesn't speak english. (MarineKing)
- You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match.

And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too.

Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one.

Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and look sad at the end of his SPL loss ?

Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is :

"Faceless koreans is not true".

I guess for you i need to list every korean when i make a statement to differentiate which 1s im refering to but instead you target the guys you know im not targeting let alone 1 of your examples was PartinG and he was even on my list. The koreans i listed Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine i can't find a single example of when they actually showed any of these qualities.


So... Why are you aggressive again ? Apparently i don't explained my point very well

You are saying these guys don't have emotions. I disagree. Not sure how to explain it better. Innovation is famous for being a machine (could he bet fanservicing ?) Or maybe he is just focused ? . Shine have a really great personality that only shows IG (imo) with all his crazy strats. Reality played mech vs SH so i don't have no opinion on him. Trap i see him really happy on stage on that tournament with oracles where he controlled like a beast. Or maybe i'm mistaken again for something else but point is. It's just 5 guys. And that happens with foreigners too...

iDra ? Or Naniwa ? "Going 28-2". "It's ok"

I just don't see faceless where you seem (or people ?) to see.

Of course again... Hope it's better explained
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SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
October 01 2015 16:42 GMT
#68
On October 02 2015 00:39 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 22:56 SNSeigifried wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:48 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you


I agree.

That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions.
When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social.


No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case.

- "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL. (Ryung)
- Ceremonies like the trap cards (PartinG)
- Darth vader in SPL. (Flash)
- MarinKing doesn't speak english. (MarineKing)
- You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match.

And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too.

Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one.

Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and look sad at the end of his SPL loss ?

Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is :

"Faceless koreans is not true".

I guess for you i need to list every korean when i make a statement to differentiate which 1s im refering to but instead you target the guys you know im not targeting let alone 1 of your examples was PartinG and he was even on my list. The koreans i listed Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine i can't find a single example of when they actually showed any of these qualities.


So... Why are you aggressive again ? Apparently i don't explained my point very well

You are saying these guys don't have emotions. I disagree. Not sure how to explain it better. Innovation is famous for being a machine (could he bet fanservicing ?) Or maybe he is just focused ? . Shine have a really great personality that only shows IG (imo) with all his crazy strats. Reality played mech vs SH so i don't have no opinion on him. Trap i see him really happy on stage on that tournament with oracles where he controlled like a beast. Or maybe i'm mistaken again for something else but point is. It's just 5 guys. And that happens with foreigners too...

iDra ? Or Naniwa ? "Going 28-2". "It's ok"

I just don't see faceless where you seem (or people ?) to see.

Of course again... Hope it's better explained

The whole point of my comments were to say that if the player doesn't have emotion or can't find a way to connect with the audience people have trouble finding a reason to root for them i never said all koreans don't have emotion but you are trying to say that what i said is 100% false which is very inaccurate because their are a good chunk of koreans who fall in to category. I also never said all foreigners have emotion or a way to connect with the audience but it is easier for them to do it just by the fact that they speak English and are overseas more then the koreans. Also strategies within games aren't emotions just saying and their are more then five guys I'm not gonna name all of them i was giving examples...
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
October 01 2015 17:00 GMT
#69
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/

I agree. I look forward greatly to the day when we don't have a scene that actively attempts with desperation to force anybody out of competitive play who isn't Korean (in case you haven't noticed, this has been a thing for a long while now). I also don't anticipate it becoming a reality before SC3, for reasons that definitely include the events this discussion is centered around.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 01 2015 17:17 GMT
#70
On October 02 2015 01:42 SNSeigifried wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 00:39 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:56 SNSeigifried wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:48 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:37 SNSeigifried wrote:
On October 01 2015 22:25 FFW_Rude wrote:
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you


I agree.

That isn't why people dislike korean players just to be honest most the korean players who people dislike show no emotion and don't at all connect with the viewers in any way shape or form and some examples of these players are Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine. Unlike the foreigners/PartinG/MC/Life/Solar/Polt/viOLet/duckdeok who speak english, you can see the frustration on their face, and also the joy and tears when they win or lose in sc2 on many occasions.
When you can't connect with your audience its hard to get people to want to root for you just gonna be honest. I'm also not saying its these koreans faults that they are viewed this way its just that they don't have the ability to connect with us due to bad english, being shy, or just not very social.


No emotion ? That's so not true... Watch a GSL group selection. They taunt each other like crazy. I'm sorry but there's a lot of emotion when non english speaker lose their matches. That used to be true (if you count TaeJa as the only KR). But it's clearly not the case.

- "IMBA IMBA IMBA" was in WoL. (Ryung)
- Ceremonies like the trap cards (PartinG)
- Darth vader in SPL. (Flash)
- MarinKing doesn't speak english. (MarineKing)
- You see emotion at the end of EVERY SPL match.

And as far as i know, asian males not showing much emotion is a sign of manlyness (do not quote me on this) ? Like no teer, no gloat etc... ? So i'm not sure if it's about beeing shy, or not very social. It's more of a respect / mature thing. It's in their culture too.

Lots of non Korean players could be "faceless". Lots of 'em have not real big personalities, they are nice, mannered. Take Snute for exemple. He is not faceless because he is a good looking blond dude. His personalty is for what i can tell from interviews and matches : "Nice, polite, respectfull". It's kind of the same faceless than... Rogue for exemple. You could say that MC have more personality than Snute. But in fact they just have a different one.

Duckdeok cried. Yes. Did he show a lot of emotion besides that ? Or was he like the other "faceless". ONE event gave him the notoriety of not being faceless. But FlaSh is faceless. Because he only fistpumped IEM and look sad at the end of his SPL loss ?

Well i don't know if i explained my point well but point is :

"Faceless koreans is not true".

I guess for you i need to list every korean when i make a statement to differentiate which 1s im refering to but instead you target the guys you know im not targeting let alone 1 of your examples was PartinG and he was even on my list. The koreans i listed Trap/INnoVation/Reality/Pigbaby/Shine i can't find a single example of when they actually showed any of these qualities.


So... Why are you aggressive again ? Apparently i don't explained my point very well

You are saying these guys don't have emotions. I disagree. Not sure how to explain it better. Innovation is famous for being a machine (could he bet fanservicing ?) Or maybe he is just focused ? . Shine have a really great personality that only shows IG (imo) with all his crazy strats. Reality played mech vs SH so i don't have no opinion on him. Trap i see him really happy on stage on that tournament with oracles where he controlled like a beast. Or maybe i'm mistaken again for something else but point is. It's just 5 guys. And that happens with foreigners too...

iDra ? Or Naniwa ? "Going 28-2". "It's ok"

I just don't see faceless where you seem (or people ?) to see.

Of course again... Hope it's better explained

The whole point of my comments were to say that if the player doesn't have emotion or can't find a way to connect with the audience people have trouble finding a reason to root for them i never said all koreans don't have emotion but you are trying to say that what i said is 100% false which is very inaccurate because their are a good chunk of koreans who fall in to category. I also never said all foreigners have emotion or a way to connect with the audience but it is easier for them to do it just by the fact that they speak English and are overseas more then the koreans. Also strategies within games aren't emotions just saying and their are more then five guys I'm not gonna name all of them i was giving examples...


I wasn't trying to say that. I just misunderstood you BBeing not a native speekers tends to do that :p
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Nezgar
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 20:41:45
October 01 2015 20:34 GMT
#71
On October 01 2015 19:04 ZombieFrog wrote:
Happy for true, i know his English is pretty good now, and he always wanted to travel and go to tournaments, it's why he joined dead pixels in the first place and now psistorm gaming instead of Kespa teams.

That aside, I still don't get the rage against players going to other regions. People certainly don't care in other sports. In basketball for example, there are plenty of European players in the NBA, and there are a limited number of players that can make it in the NBA, but no one screams that they are taking spots from Americans because they make it by being better then the competition, which is legitimate in any competition.

It baffles my mind to this day that when basically asked, Do you want to see games between better players or games between players who are worse at the game but happen to be born in a similar region of the world or share a skin color with you?, that there are people who would rather see the later. Someone by coincidence being born in the same country as me does not make them anymore interesting to watch. I'm watching for the games played.


This is not an issue about skin color, I have no idea why you are trying to make it one...

And your example about the NBA is seriously flawed. In your example, players from the EU or other parts of the world leave their home area because it lacks the competitive nature of the NBA; basketball in Germany, for example, is not a big deal and the level of competition is lacking compared to the NBA. This is even more true for other parts of the world that are not as populated as Germany or EU in general or don't even offer competitions for basketball.
I would be entirely fine with Foreigners going to Korea to compete in a harder environment. Although they don't really have to do it, there are enough international tournaments that provide them opportunities to compete against the best of the best.
In any case, translating this to your NBA example would be similar to this: TRUE (and similar players) could be compared to established NBA players who made use of the superior infrastructure of training and competition in the NBA to get an advantage over players in other parts of the world, only to then leave the NBA to compete in local tournaments in other parts of the world where they are at a significant advantage. The result would be a few well trained and experienced ex-NBA players completely dominating the local tournament scene of, for example, Austrian or Italian amateur leagues or something similar.
Yes, in the long term the local scene might benefit from the raised level of competition... but it would kill any enjoyment for the spectators during the first few years. Every tournament would be a question of "which of those 5 former NBA stars is going to win this tournament again?"

It baffles my mind to this day that when basically asked, Do you want to see games between better players or games between players who are worse at the game but happen to be born in a similar region of the world or share a skin color with you?, that there are people who would rather see the later.

This is a gross misrepresentation of the situation and I was under the impression that I did a sufficient job of explaining, why the games, which feature the best of the best players, are not always the most enjoyable ones. I will try to explain it once more:
What I want to see in WCS is interesting story lines, similar to what we had in WCS 2015 S3 with Lilbow, Mana or Patraeus. When I want to see the best of the best compete against each other, I watch SSL, GSL or Proleague... or Kespa Cup... or Hot6Cup... and I can see those games almost every week of the year.
If I want to see Foreigners compete against Koreans, I had 15 tournaments this year that were large enough to attract Koreans and provide WCS points. That is usually not the highest level of play but something in between, with a small number or Foreigners thrown in for good measure.
The only significant stage for Foreigners to compete against other Foreigners is WCS - at least this is what it was supposed to be. Please accept that there are people, like me, who want to see tournaments such as those.
And you are screaming and pleading to remove that stage, that setup, in order to get yet another mixed tournament - of which we already had 15 this year - that will be won by the same Korean names over and over and over again.
Please let us have those 3 tournaments a year, I cannot stress that enough.

On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you

You are entirely missing the point. This is not about nationality but rather in what kind of competitive environment they were training and growing up (see above). I don't want German soccer teams from the Bundesliga to start competing in Australian Amateur leagues either. In your line of logic you would be entirely fine with that because the German team is clearly better than the home grown players, right? Yay, go Germans, destroy those filthy Australian amateurs who are not as good as your are! Am I doing it right?
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 22:16:40
October 01 2015 22:09 GMT
#72
On October 02 2015 05:34 Nezgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2015 20:07 brickrd wrote:
i hope one day we have a scene where people don't have negativity toward players because of their race or country of origin :/ all koreans who come to foreign WCS deserve to win if they're better! GL true, hope you destroy any foreign player who isn't as skilled as you

You are entirely missing the point. This is not about nationality but rather in what kind of competitive environment they were training and growing up (see above). I don't want German soccer teams from the Bundesliga to start competing in Australian Amateur leagues either. In your line of logic you would be entirely fine with that because the German team is clearly better than the home grown players, right? Yay, go Germans, destroy those filthy Australian amateurs who are not as good as your are! Am I doing it right?

i'm not missing the point at all. moving to a new region of the world to compete is a serious commitment, and anyone is entitled to find work wherever they are living. the fact that he has korean training means nothing to me. why should i want north americans and south americans to win wcs? are they somehow more like me than koreans or deserving of charity? it's not TRUEs fault that there isn't as much profit and infrastructure in foreign starcraft. if he can win a tournament he should join it. by your logic SKT players shouldn't get to compete with prime players because their environment and training make them better.

would you bar foreign pro players from competing in minor online cups because amateur GMs can't compete with them? you're just drawing arbitrary lines of skill. the world is a competitive place, if you're good you should win. the responsibility for raising the level of foreign starcraft is on foreign audiences and players.

if foreigners want to have their own special tournaments where only they can compete, just drop the entire foreign pro scene and make it "amateurs only". it's laughable and pathetic that people want to call foreigners professional but want to protect them from interacting with the best

your point of view is fine, think whatever you want. just seems silly and myopic to me. id rather watch better players than hallucinate that there are sponsors for the foreign scene solid enough to justify an exclusive field.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
October 01 2015 22:32 GMT
#73
Let's just get rid of this part of the discussion now, because it's both idiotic and inflammatory.

So, to make things ENTIRELY clear:

This.

Has.

Nothing.

To.

Do.

With.

Skin.

Color.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 01 2015 22:38 GMT
#74
On October 02 2015 07:32 Circumstance wrote:
Let's just get rid of this part of the discussion now, because it's both idiotic and inflammatory.

So, to make things ENTIRELY clear:

This.

Has.

Nothing.

To.

Do.

With.

Skin.

Color.


All those asian-americans/canadians and you forgot Hitman?
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
October 01 2015 22:39 GMT
#75
On October 02 2015 07:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 07:32 Circumstance wrote:
Let's just get rid of this part of the discussion now, because it's both idiotic and inflammatory.

So, to make things ENTIRELY clear:

This.

Has.

Nothing.

To.

Do.

With.

Skin.

Color.


All those asian-americans/canadians and you forgot Hitman?

No picture on Liquipedia. I was surprised too, I was sure someone would have uploaded his smirk. The last link isn't the same as the others and is also important to the point I'm making in the post, BTW.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
October 01 2015 23:13 GMT
#76
On October 02 2015 07:32 Circumstance wrote:
Let's just get rid of this part of the discussion now, because it's both idiotic and inflammatory.

So, to make things ENTIRELY clear:

This.

Has.

Nothing.

To.

Do.

With.

Skin.

Color.

it has a lot to do with perceptions of culture and unfair prejudice based on language barriers, though, which is less inflammatory than "skin color" but still flawed and ignorant thinking
TL+ Member
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
October 01 2015 23:30 GMT
#77
Meanwhile, TRUE is like

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don't wall off against random
NyxNax
Profile Joined March 2014
United States227 Posts
October 03 2015 02:49 GMT
#78
To me this seems like a brilliant move. True I think fits great in the NA scene, he has exciting games and I think will be a lot more successful here.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10666 Posts
October 03 2015 04:37 GMT
#79
On October 02 2015 08:30 rotta wrote:
Meanwhile, TRUE is like

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