qxc's thoughts: Adepts are too Strong - Page 9

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

October 02 2015 02:08 GMT

#161

On October 02 2015 04:18 Cyro wrote:

Record it, post vid and watch some mc/huk too. I'l check out some terran streams. Perspectives are obviously very different based on players watched since there are no real examples of these situations in actual tournament games

Not going to go out of my way to record it, but its quite prevalent. Don't really feel the need to make a video when I feel it's fairly commonly accepted this works (as evidenced by witnessing it many times, coupled with you apparently never seeing it).

I recall distinctly a situation where someone did it to Polt for the first time and his literal words is "is this smart for him to do? I don't think so." followed shortly by "does this make sense I am going to lose this??" Since it's happened a few times, he's repeatedly avoided it from happening.

Morrow also did it against Empire.Happy and wrecked his MMM Ghost with pure adept/chargelot, then specifically outlined to the stream why you want to do this.

Cyro

United Kingdom20275 Posts

October 02 2015 03:40 GMT

#162

with pure adept/chargelot

People seem to overemphasize the amount of adepts used. Sure i do that shit, with an army of 40% adepts, 40% chargelots and 20% disruptors. I don't play with 40 adepts and ghost into a 70-100 supply army of MMM-ghost, though, because you just lose all of your adepts for free if you do that.

coupled with you apparently never seeing it

I have not seen it to the extent described and my experiences point to it being awful in high supply armies, particularly when the bio has support from medivac, ghost and/or liberator. I've had some hilariously bad engagements trying to do exactly those types of trades (like 5:1 cost efficiency for the terran) only to have to retreat to phoenix or disruptors and hope not to lose the game before being able to get a decent army up again (at this stage of the game you have like 12 gateways)

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

October 02 2015 04:49 GMT

#163

On October 02 2015 12:40 Cyro wrote:

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I hope it's clear that the adepts hardly do any damage to the army. They trap the Terran army (similar to roaches unburrowing in the middle of your army), are an insane meat shield. If you have pure adept, you'll absolutely lose. The point is that it creates a flank, messes up the Terran kiting ability, and gets the adepts out of the way so your chargelots and other units can get in.

The point is if the MMM are shooting the adepts, they aren't killing your higher DPS units. Terran can no longer easily focus fire, kite, etc. If your adepts are being your chargelots, the chargelots get hit first and get shredded, then the adepts don't do shit and you lose. It's all about unit pathing and soaking up damage, not at all about dealing damage.

EDIT: From the community feedback thread... doesn't specifically mention Terran, but given it's so prevalent they state "great reduction"

We would see a great reduction in Adepts just teleporting on top of enemy armies, and so good positioning of the Shade ability will be more critical in engagements.

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