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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 23:52:17
September 15 2015 23:51 GMT
#21
Map Name Power Rank
  1. Remnant
  2. Mariner
  3. Nemesis
  4. Porta Nuova
  5. Ida
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Oniric Hopes


Personal Opinion Map Rank
  1. Mariner
  2. Nemesis
  3. Ida
  4. Oniric Hopes
  5. Remnant
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Porta Nuova


:D
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revalence123
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States102 Posts
September 16 2015 00:18 GMT
#22
Holy crap these maps are sick, I hope you guys are allowed to make maps for the up coming map pools
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
September 16 2015 01:16 GMT
#23
Nemesis reminds me of King Sejong. I like it.

As I like all of these maps a lot.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
September 16 2015 01:22 GMT
#24
Very nice maps. Lots of new ideas.

Mariner and Ida are my favorites.
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
September 16 2015 01:38 GMT
#25
On September 16 2015 08:28 looknohands119 wrote:
Oniric & Remnant look very reasonable but Mariner and Ida trigger my Blistering Sands PTSD. Why would anyone ever think that making a map with a backdoor into the main is acceptable? Please don't make me suffer through playing on those maps.


I'll give some of my thoughts on the backdoors on the SMA maps you mentioned and why I like them-

I think the main issue with Blistering Sands' backdoor was that it shortened the attack distance significantly and was of no use to the defender. Plus it was harder to bounce between the backdoor and the nat entrance for the defender than the attacker. My hope is that the backdoor on Mariner will be more useful for the defender than attacker (especially with double rocks), but I could be wrong. On Ida, the backdoor is very experimental because it is relied on fully to expand around the edges of the map. It differs from Blistering Sands because the only way Ida's backdoor shortens the rush distance is by breaking 4 rocks- and even then, the defender has the advantage. I hope that the backdoors will be used more often for opening expansion routes instead of an additional path for aggressors, although I'm sure there will be some of both.
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Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
September 16 2015 01:39 GMT
#26
These all look really great, thanks for all the hard work!
"HSC casting is essentially an LR thread read aloud." -ThomasjServo
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
September 16 2015 03:01 GMT
#27
On September 16 2015 10:38 monitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 08:28 looknohands119 wrote:
Oniric & Remnant look very reasonable but Mariner and Ida trigger my Blistering Sands PTSD. Why would anyone ever think that making a map with a backdoor into the main is acceptable? Please don't make me suffer through playing on those maps.


I'll give some of my thoughts on the backdoors on the SMA maps you mentioned and why I like them-

I think the main issue with Blistering Sands' backdoor was that it shortened the attack distance significantly and was of no use to the defender. Plus it was harder to bounce between the backdoor and the nat entrance for the defender than the attacker. My hope is that the backdoor on Mariner will be more useful for the defender than attacker (especially with double rocks), but I could be wrong. On Ida, the backdoor is very experimental because it is relied on fully to expand around the edges of the map. It differs from Blistering Sands because the only way Ida's backdoor shortens the rush distance is by breaking 4 rocks- and even then, the defender has the advantage. I hope that the backdoors will be used more often for opening expansion routes instead of an additional path for aggressors, although I'm sure there will be some of both.


I realize that the backdoor is different than on blistering sands. I just don't think there is such a thing as an acceptable way to put a backdoor in a main.
"The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 03:08:09
September 16 2015 03:06 GMT
#28
In my opinion the only nice map here is Remnant, the others look really annoying for the eye / obscure.
Not visually pleasing at all, also most of them look gimmicky.
I hope we don't have to play this on ladder, with exception for Remnant. It looks like all other maps were designed by silver leaguers.
Have a nice day ;)
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 16 2015 03:10 GMT
#29
omg beach map I love it already
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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
September 16 2015 03:49 GMT
#30
Looking forward to a Red vs Purple ZvZ on Nemesis.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
September 16 2015 04:04 GMT
#31
On September 16 2015 12:06 Dumbledore wrote:
In my opinion the only nice map here is Remnant, the others look really annoying for the eye / obscure.
Not visually pleasing at all, also most of them look gimmicky.
I hope we don't have to play this on ladder, with exception for Remnant. It looks like all other maps were designed by silver leaguers.

funny since i think i might be the lowest ranked one of all of these mapmakers...
vibeo gane,
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 05:19:44
September 16 2015 05:19 GMT
#32
On September 16 2015 08:51 iGrok wrote:
Map Name Power Rank
  1. Remnant
  2. Mariner
  3. Nemesis
  4. Porta Nuova
  5. Ida
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Oniric Hopes


Personal Opinion Map Rank
  1. Mariner
  2. Nemesis
  3. Ida
  4. Oniric Hopes
  5. Remnant
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Porta Nuova


:D


As names go Nemesis > Mariner imo. Mariner just doesn't give the same feeling of conflict. Also what's with the name "Oniric Hopes". I first read it as "Oneiric" as in relating to dreams. Not sure what "Oniric" is meant to mean.
Ouija
Profile Joined December 2011
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 06:26:24
September 16 2015 06:25 GMT
#33
Maps are looking great.

Ida + Neo Porta Nuova + Mariner = Best 3 maps

With blizzards announcement on their new stance towards the type of maps they want in their map pool, maybe my favorites will soon be on ladder

Still waiting for a map like (Wiki)Jade with low ground main base. If blizzard is serious about the maps, lets get crazy!!!!

TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10890 Posts
September 16 2015 06:34 GMT
#34
These look amazing man, thanks for your hard work.
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
September 16 2015 15:11 GMT
#35
On September 16 2015 13:04 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 12:06 Dumbledore wrote:
In my opinion the only nice map here is Remnant, the others look really annoying for the eye / obscure.
Not visually pleasing at all, also most of them look gimmicky.
I hope we don't have to play this on ladder, with exception for Remnant. It looks like all other maps were designed by silver leaguers.

funny since i think i might be the lowest ranked one of all of these mapmakers...


I'm proud of you :')
Have a nice day ;)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
September 16 2015 15:14 GMT
#36
On September 16 2015 13:04 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 12:06 Dumbledore wrote:
In my opinion the only nice map here is Remnant, the others look really annoying for the eye / obscure.
Not visually pleasing at all, also most of them look gimmicky.
I hope we don't have to play this on ladder, with exception for Remnant. It looks like all other maps were designed by silver leaguers.

funny since i think i might be the lowest ranked one of all of these mapmakers...

You have a map on ladder though, that's better than Meavis
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Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
September 16 2015 18:03 GMT
#37
On September 16 2015 14:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 08:51 iGrok wrote:
Map Name Power Rank
  1. Remnant
  2. Mariner
  3. Nemesis
  4. Porta Nuova
  5. Ida
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Oniric Hopes


Personal Opinion Map Rank
  1. Mariner
  2. Nemesis
  3. Ida
  4. Oniric Hopes
  5. Remnant
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Porta Nuova


:D


As names go Nemesis > Mariner imo. Mariner just doesn't give the same feeling of conflict. Also what's with the name "Oniric Hopes". I first read it as "Oneiric" as in relating to dreams. Not sure what "Oniric" is meant to mean.

Yeah, about that mean Igrok scolded me for it, since forever I have been very bad at naming my maps, specially on english. In my latest maps I have had issues with some people mispronouncing the name, and because of the slightly strange mix of "ei" on Oneiric I thought that it would be better to simply streamline the name to Oniric, which also gets closer to the latin/romance root of the word. But yeah, next time I'll be consulting again with the other mapmakers regarding names!
@Kantuva | Mapmaker | KTVMaps.wordpress.com | Check my profile to see my TL map threads, and you can search for KTV in the Custom Games section to play them.
Ingvar
Profile Joined April 2015
Russian Federation421 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 18:31:53
September 16 2015 18:31 GMT
#38
Wow, that's cool. Now you guys need to pull guys like Superouman and SidianTheBard into SMA to turn it into western all-star mapmaking community. I mean, TeamLiquid's Custom Maps is already an all-star mapmaking community but it would double the awesomeness or something.
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
September 17 2015 06:44 GMT
#39
On September 17 2015 03:31 Ingvar wrote:
Wow, that's cool. Now you guys need to pull guys like Superouman and SidianTheBard into SMA to turn it into western all-star mapmaking community. I mean, TeamLiquid's Custom Maps is already an all-star mapmaking community but it would double the awesomeness or something.

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IceNineSantaMonica
Profile Joined September 2015
3 Posts
September 24 2015 07:56 GMT
#40
Amazing! Blizz & the starcraft community are lucky to have you folks.
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