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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2141 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 18:00:33
September 15 2015 17:54 GMT
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The Starcraft Mapmaking Association is proud to present our first map pack, showcasing new maps by the creators of Echo, Terraform, Korhal Compound, Coda, and more. With the approach and eventual release of LotV, we will hopefully have additional releases demonstrating our various ideas and approaches for mapping for this new game.

All of these maps are published on all servers using the SMA tag.



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This map features an innovative 3rd setup involving the very vulnerable geysers. The geysers are initially blocked by neutral Assimilators, forming a tight wall. Destroying the Assimilators opens a narrow path between the geysers, allowing units to pass, but constructing your own gas collection buildings will seal the wall again. The rock tower to the side adds another layer of complexity. If it is collapsed while the Assimilators have over 500 HP, they simply take 500 damage - however, if it is collapsed while the geysers are unblocked or the Assimilators have 500 or fewer HP, the rocks fall and the geysers are permanently removed from the map.

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This LotV oriented 2p map is effectively a "spiritual successor" to Terraform. This map preserves the concept of a separated outer ring and inner area, which are connected only by narrow, abusable chokes. However, the long corridors have been largely replaced with wide open spaces.

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A collaboration between SC2 mapmaking veteran monitor and recent BW mapmaking convert sTY_leZerg, this 2p map features an experimental 3rd base resource setup. LoS blockers prevent ground vision into the main, while a double set of destructible rocks allows a direct main-3rd path to be opened in the mid-game. Additional bases are difficult and will require careful army awareness and movement.

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A non-standard yet beautiful 2p map designed with LotV in mind, Nemesis features open nats on a diagonal mirrored symmetry based layout. The central valley is the shortest route between players, but the outer bounds shouldn't be overlooked by the players!

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This fairly standard 2p map is based around an expansion pattern which gradually forces players closer to the map's center as the game progresses. Detailed background decoration shows a city surrounded by decaying industry on one side and a barren wasteland on the other.

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This experimental 4p map features a unique symmetrical nat/3rd layout as well as a set of backdoor corridors which can be used to harass the nat and 3rd, open a path to the main, or gain access to the tucked-away side bases.

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A solid standard 2p macro map featuring everyone's two favorite decorative elements, beaches and bridges!

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vibeo gane,
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
September 15 2015 18:09 GMT
#2
Now that the map pack is finally released I would like to take a second say thanks to all those involved and their patience with my extreme perfectionism!

But seriously, looking good!
@Kantuva | Mapmaker | KTVMaps.wordpress.com | Check my profile to see my TL map threads, and you can search for KTV in the Custom Games section to play them.
IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
September 15 2015 18:26 GMT
#3
Nice!
Author of Coda and Eastwatch.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24193 Posts
September 15 2015 19:08 GMT
#4
Definitely an awesome initiative. Mariner looks crazy
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
September 15 2015 19:15 GMT
#5
A literal god tasteless :D Keep it up!
Revolutionist fan
Lucrania
Profile Joined December 2012
United States44 Posts
September 15 2015 19:32 GMT
#6
Amazing maps.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
September 15 2015 20:13 GMT
#7
Such colorful maps! I love them! And the terrains in the main base of Oniric Hopes and on Nemesis look so beautiful!

Gonna try these out next time I log in
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 15 2015 20:18 GMT
#8
SIckkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 15 2015 20:20 GMT
#9
I do love me some pretty lookin maps. Great job guys
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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2141 Posts
September 15 2015 20:27 GMT
#10
On September 16 2015 05:13 Silvana wrote:
Such colorful maps! I love them! And the terrains in the main base of Oniric Hopes and on Nemesis look so beautiful!

Gonna try these out next time I log in

Both of those textures were extracted from LotV files, you'll probably be seeing a lot more of them in the future.
vibeo gane,
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
September 15 2015 20:32 GMT
#11
Hype! these maps look great. Awesome job guys!
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 15 2015 20:43 GMT
#12
Nemesis is pure eye candy. Lovely map
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sTYleZerG-eX
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico473 Posts
September 15 2015 20:52 GMT
#13
Thanks to all!

On September 16 2015 04:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Definitely an awesome initiative. Mariner looks crazy


Yeah, you can actually choose to take an in-base mineral only expo, or use it for your macro hatch or macro cc (then lift). Also opponent wont b able 2 hit ur workers with ought vision.

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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
September 15 2015 21:25 GMT
#14
On September 16 2015 05:52 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
Thanks to all!

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On September 16 2015 04:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Definitely an awesome initiative. Mariner looks crazy


Yeah, you can actually choose to take an in-base mineral only expo, or use it for your macro hatch or macro cc (then lift). Also opponent wont b able 2 hit ur workers with ought vision.



Mariner looks super cool... if you play Marines as Bio Terran:
3 CC build, you have 3 mineral lines but only 2 bases. Seriously stronk plays can come out of that.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24193 Posts
September 15 2015 21:31 GMT
#15
On September 16 2015 05:52 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
Thanks to all!

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On September 16 2015 04:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Definitely an awesome initiative. Mariner looks crazy


Yeah, you can actually choose to take an in-base mineral only expo, or use it for your macro hatch or macro cc (then lift). Also opponent wont b able 2 hit ur workers with ought vision.


That's an awesome layout tbh, the choice it introduces is just genius. I don't know if that works, but I love it.
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
September 15 2015 22:19 GMT
#16
Nemesis <3

Tournament map pool HYPE
!
"not enough rights"
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24193 Posts
September 15 2015 22:26 GMT
#17
Maybe for the off-season
thirdentity
Profile Joined September 2015
1 Post
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 22:42:18
September 15 2015 22:36 GMT
#18
How do i find these? search for "SMA" "Mariner" "Nemesis" doesnt find them

@nvm figured it out, was logged on acc without HOTS

anyone wants to play them?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 15 2015 22:47 GMT
#19
Cool stuff guys, thanks a lot for it.
Zest fanboy.
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
September 15 2015 23:28 GMT
#20
Oniric & Remnant look very reasonable but Mariner and Ida trigger my Blistering Sands PTSD. Why would anyone ever think that making a map with a backdoor into the main is acceptable? Please don't make me suffer through playing on those maps.
"The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 23:52:17
September 15 2015 23:51 GMT
#21
Map Name Power Rank
  1. Remnant
  2. Mariner
  3. Nemesis
  4. Porta Nuova
  5. Ida
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Oniric Hopes


Personal Opinion Map Rank
  1. Mariner
  2. Nemesis
  3. Ida
  4. Oniric Hopes
  5. Remnant
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Porta Nuova


:D
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revalence123
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States102 Posts
September 16 2015 00:18 GMT
#22
Holy crap these maps are sick, I hope you guys are allowed to make maps for the up coming map pools
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
September 16 2015 01:16 GMT
#23
Nemesis reminds me of King Sejong. I like it.

As I like all of these maps a lot.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
September 16 2015 01:22 GMT
#24
Very nice maps. Lots of new ideas.

Mariner and Ida are my favorites.
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2404 Posts
September 16 2015 01:38 GMT
#25
On September 16 2015 08:28 looknohands119 wrote:
Oniric & Remnant look very reasonable but Mariner and Ida trigger my Blistering Sands PTSD. Why would anyone ever think that making a map with a backdoor into the main is acceptable? Please don't make me suffer through playing on those maps.


I'll give some of my thoughts on the backdoors on the SMA maps you mentioned and why I like them-

I think the main issue with Blistering Sands' backdoor was that it shortened the attack distance significantly and was of no use to the defender. Plus it was harder to bounce between the backdoor and the nat entrance for the defender than the attacker. My hope is that the backdoor on Mariner will be more useful for the defender than attacker (especially with double rocks), but I could be wrong. On Ida, the backdoor is very experimental because it is relied on fully to expand around the edges of the map. It differs from Blistering Sands because the only way Ida's backdoor shortens the rush distance is by breaking 4 rocks- and even then, the defender has the advantage. I hope that the backdoors will be used more often for opening expansion routes instead of an additional path for aggressors, although I'm sure there will be some of both.
Mapmaker & TLMC Judge. Amygdala, Frostline, Crimson Court, and Korhal Compound (WoL).
Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
September 16 2015 01:39 GMT
#26
These all look really great, thanks for all the hard work!
"HSC casting is essentially an LR thread read aloud." -ThomasjServo
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looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
September 16 2015 03:01 GMT
#27
On September 16 2015 10:38 monitor wrote:
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On September 16 2015 08:28 looknohands119 wrote:
Oniric & Remnant look very reasonable but Mariner and Ida trigger my Blistering Sands PTSD. Why would anyone ever think that making a map with a backdoor into the main is acceptable? Please don't make me suffer through playing on those maps.


I'll give some of my thoughts on the backdoors on the SMA maps you mentioned and why I like them-

I think the main issue with Blistering Sands' backdoor was that it shortened the attack distance significantly and was of no use to the defender. Plus it was harder to bounce between the backdoor and the nat entrance for the defender than the attacker. My hope is that the backdoor on Mariner will be more useful for the defender than attacker (especially with double rocks), but I could be wrong. On Ida, the backdoor is very experimental because it is relied on fully to expand around the edges of the map. It differs from Blistering Sands because the only way Ida's backdoor shortens the rush distance is by breaking 4 rocks- and even then, the defender has the advantage. I hope that the backdoors will be used more often for opening expansion routes instead of an additional path for aggressors, although I'm sure there will be some of both.


I realize that the backdoor is different than on blistering sands. I just don't think there is such a thing as an acceptable way to put a backdoor in a main.
"The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 03:08:09
September 16 2015 03:06 GMT
#28
In my opinion the only nice map here is Remnant, the others look really annoying for the eye / obscure.
Not visually pleasing at all, also most of them look gimmicky.
I hope we don't have to play this on ladder, with exception for Remnant. It looks like all other maps were designed by silver leaguers.
Have a nice day ;)
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 16 2015 03:10 GMT
#29
omg beach map I love it already
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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
September 16 2015 03:49 GMT
#30
Looking forward to a Red vs Purple ZvZ on Nemesis.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2141 Posts
September 16 2015 04:04 GMT
#31
On September 16 2015 12:06 Dumbledore wrote:
In my opinion the only nice map here is Remnant, the others look really annoying for the eye / obscure.
Not visually pleasing at all, also most of them look gimmicky.
I hope we don't have to play this on ladder, with exception for Remnant. It looks like all other maps were designed by silver leaguers.

funny since i think i might be the lowest ranked one of all of these mapmakers...
vibeo gane,
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 05:19:44
September 16 2015 05:19 GMT
#32
On September 16 2015 08:51 iGrok wrote:
Map Name Power Rank
  1. Remnant
  2. Mariner
  3. Nemesis
  4. Porta Nuova
  5. Ida
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Oniric Hopes


Personal Opinion Map Rank
  1. Mariner
  2. Nemesis
  3. Ida
  4. Oniric Hopes
  5. Remnant
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Porta Nuova


:D


As names go Nemesis > Mariner imo. Mariner just doesn't give the same feeling of conflict. Also what's with the name "Oniric Hopes". I first read it as "Oneiric" as in relating to dreams. Not sure what "Oniric" is meant to mean.
Ouija
Profile Joined December 2011
United States129 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 06:26:24
September 16 2015 06:25 GMT
#33
Maps are looking great.

Ida + Neo Porta Nuova + Mariner = Best 3 maps

With blizzards announcement on their new stance towards the type of maps they want in their map pool, maybe my favorites will soon be on ladder

Still waiting for a map like (Wiki)Jade with low ground main base. If blizzard is serious about the maps, lets get crazy!!!!

TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10671 Posts
September 16 2015 06:34 GMT
#34
These look amazing man, thanks for your hard work.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
September 16 2015 15:11 GMT
#35
On September 16 2015 13:04 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 12:06 Dumbledore wrote:
In my opinion the only nice map here is Remnant, the others look really annoying for the eye / obscure.
Not visually pleasing at all, also most of them look gimmicky.
I hope we don't have to play this on ladder, with exception for Remnant. It looks like all other maps were designed by silver leaguers.

funny since i think i might be the lowest ranked one of all of these mapmakers...


I'm proud of you :')
Have a nice day ;)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 16 2015 15:14 GMT
#36
On September 16 2015 13:04 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 12:06 Dumbledore wrote:
In my opinion the only nice map here is Remnant, the others look really annoying for the eye / obscure.
Not visually pleasing at all, also most of them look gimmicky.
I hope we don't have to play this on ladder, with exception for Remnant. It looks like all other maps were designed by silver leaguers.

funny since i think i might be the lowest ranked one of all of these mapmakers...

You have a map on ladder though, that's better than Meavis
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Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
September 16 2015 18:03 GMT
#37
On September 16 2015 14:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 08:51 iGrok wrote:
Map Name Power Rank
  1. Remnant
  2. Mariner
  3. Nemesis
  4. Porta Nuova
  5. Ida
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Oniric Hopes


Personal Opinion Map Rank
  1. Mariner
  2. Nemesis
  3. Ida
  4. Oniric Hopes
  5. Remnant
  6. Verdict Day
  7. Porta Nuova


:D


As names go Nemesis > Mariner imo. Mariner just doesn't give the same feeling of conflict. Also what's with the name "Oniric Hopes". I first read it as "Oneiric" as in relating to dreams. Not sure what "Oniric" is meant to mean.

Yeah, about that mean Igrok scolded me for it, since forever I have been very bad at naming my maps, specially on english. In my latest maps I have had issues with some people mispronouncing the name, and because of the slightly strange mix of "ei" on Oneiric I thought that it would be better to simply streamline the name to Oniric, which also gets closer to the latin/romance root of the word. But yeah, next time I'll be consulting again with the other mapmakers regarding names!
@Kantuva | Mapmaker | KTVMaps.wordpress.com | Check my profile to see my TL map threads, and you can search for KTV in the Custom Games section to play them.
Ingvar
Profile Joined April 2015
Russian Federation421 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 18:31:53
September 16 2015 18:31 GMT
#38
Wow, that's cool. Now you guys need to pull guys like Superouman and SidianTheBard into SMA to turn it into western all-star mapmaking community. I mean, TeamLiquid's Custom Maps is already an all-star mapmaking community but it would double the awesomeness or something.
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
September 17 2015 06:44 GMT
#39
On September 17 2015 03:31 Ingvar wrote:
Wow, that's cool. Now you guys need to pull guys like Superouman and SidianTheBard into SMA to turn it into western all-star mapmaking community. I mean, TeamLiquid's Custom Maps is already an all-star mapmaking community but it would double the awesomeness or something.

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IceNineSantaMonica
Profile Joined September 2015
3 Posts
September 24 2015 07:56 GMT
#40
Amazing! Blizz & the starcraft community are lucky to have you folks.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
September 24 2015 08:20 GMT
#41
Good work, beautiful looking maps. Hope blizzard use all of them. More maps the better
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