EPTWCS Season 3 Finals Recap: Beauty in the Struggle - Page 3
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PuddleZerg
United States82 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On September 14 2015 23:40 BoYoB wrote: How's that supposed to be a Ro8 situation where you can expect to win the title ? ![[image loading]](http://www.le-bec.fr/img/dontpanic.jpg) ha ha indeed | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On September 15 2015 00:48 True_Spike wrote: In case anyone is interested, one of the Netwars people posted some photos: http://imgur.com/a/p0l0b https://www.flickr.com/photos/132308195@N03/sets/72157658107909598 how did i miss that, thanks for sharing netwars is a world class community | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On September 15 2015 03:55 Makro wrote: how did i miss that, thanks for sharing netwars is a world class community The second link is ShortID's album from Millenium. But yeah, the Netwars guys are amazing, probably the closest we've got from a football supporters group. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 14 2015 23:40 BoYoB wrote: How's that supposed to be a Ro8 situation where you can expect to win the title ? Possibly one of the only times someone has came back from 0-3 in a BO5 o_o. | ||
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BoYoB
France83 Posts
On September 15 2015 04:47 ZAiNs wrote: Possibly one of the only times someone has came back from 0-3 in a BO5 o_o. hahaha ! Good one. I was an inch close to shutdown Twitch when it happened. I suppose a lot of french fans did. | ||
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FrostPilot
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I was an inch close to shutdown Twitch when it happened. I suppose a lot of french fans did. At that point I thought "That's it!" and went to the kitchen to get some coffee. When I came back - "What the hell? Why are they still playing?" Great tournament, great players, great audience ... great days for StarCraft 2. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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Starecat
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On September 15 2015 08:14 Boucot wrote: Even the french gouvernement is proud of Lilbow. https://twitter.com/gouvernementFR/status/643523599060574208 wow I have to say that tickles my patriotic fiber  | ||
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Ensiferum8
Canada103 Posts
IMO It was a really pathetic WCS I hate the Blizzcon point system, its completly unfair. First, the quality of the games were really bad (compared to GSL, SSL, or the insanely great PL final we saw just before). I mean, common! Mana? Zanster??? In semi finals of what is supposed to be a really prestigious tournament? If its a joke, its not funny. But, what I hate the most, is that the system is completly unfair. It rewards players based on where they are born, instead of whos the best. Look at blizzcon ranking: Lilbow? polt? maybe forGG? With all due respect, these players all are in Blizzcon, or really close, while player like soO, Dream, TY, stats etc... ARE OUT Fun fact: TY would beat the wcs player in 90% of the game, just like soO etc.... But thanks to WCS, foreigners that have 0 chance, and IMO, clearly dont deserve to be there, gets free pass because they are born outside of Korea. Imagine yourself in TY's shoes... You play insanely well (all kill CJ, semi in SSL etc...), but because some random foreigner (lilbow) beats another even more random and no name foreigner (zanster!, mana!) TY is out. Even if TY is WAY BETTER than lilbow etc... Its just unfair. Blizzcon should reward the best players in the world. Not a bunch of people who gets free points because they are not koreans. WCS should not allow points for blizzcon. So, if you cant accept different opinion, ban me, if you disagree with me, feel free to tell me why lilbow deserve more than TY or soO, solar etc... to get to blizzcon | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
What happened this week-end is absolutely amazing for SC2, and that's coming from someone who's far from being a fan of the way Lilbow approaches the game. If you can't deal with Lilbow being at Blizzcon and all the good things it does for the game entertainement and hype wise, you need to sort your priorities. And man saying they didn't deliver a good show is ridiculous. The level is probably not as high as what you can get in Korean leagues, but every series was just awesome as far as suspense and entertainment goes... I really enjoyed the PvP, that's saying something... | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
On September 15 2015 09:13 Ensiferum8 wrote: If the mods want to ban me because they dont accept my opinion, its their choice, but honestly: IMO It was a really pathetic WCS I hate the Blizzcon point system, its completly unfair. First, the quality of the games were really bad (compared to GSL, SSL, or the insanely great PL final we saw just before). I mean, common! Mana? Zanster??? In semi finals of what is supposed to be a really prestigious tournament? If its a joke, its not funny. But, what I hate the most, is that the system is completly unfair. It rewards players based on where they are born, instead of whos the best. Look at blizzcon ranking: Lilbow? polt? maybe forGG? With all due respect, these players all are in Blizzcon, or really close, while player like soO, Dream, TY, stats etc... ARE OUT Fun fact: TY would beat the wcs player in 90% of the game, just like soO etc.... But thanks to WCS, foreigners that have 0 chance, and IMO, clearly dont deserve to be there, gets free pass because they are born outside of Korea. Imagine yourself in TY's shoes... You play insanely well (all kill CJ, semi in SSL etc...), but because some random foreigner (lilbow) beats another even more random and no name foreigner (zanster!, mana!) TY is out. Even if TY is WAY BETTER than lilbow etc... Its just unfair. Blizzcon should reward the best players in the world. Not a bunch of people who gets free points because they are not koreans. WCS should not allow points for blizzcon. So, if you cant accept different opinion, ban me, if you disagree with me, feel free to tell me why lilbow deserve more than TY or soO, solar etc... to get to blizzcon Dream is in Blizzcon 100%, TY and Stats have a very small chance http://sc2.4ever.tv/ | ||
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AxiomBlurr
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RKC
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Was the quality of the tournament worse than Korean leagues? Yes, and maybe arguably worse than WCS Season 1 and 2. Some of the games this season were just sub-par, notably: 1. Hydra v Lilbow - Hydra was playing insanely good in G1 and G2, and then just collapsed in G3 (the photo above summed it all) and G5. Yes, it was bold decision-making by Lilbow, but Hydra was very much ahead and would've won if he had properly played safe and scouted. 2. Mana v ForGG - If you had hidden their names, I wouldn't be able to tell that the Terran was a Korean. Endless 2-base all-ins? Was ForGG over-confident or simply didn't have any other builds? Either way, super bad performance by him. Draw controversy or not, Mana was clearly the better player. I don't know what the hype was about in the series. ForGG was long dead in most games at 2/3 point (when he couldn't break through and Mana took a 3rd) - really good Koreans would've given up earlier and focused on the next game. 3. Lilbow v Mana - Admittedly, I only watched G1 and G2. And then I stopped watching. Sure, the games were exciting and PvP is by nature volatile. But 15-20 supply leads were swinging wildly back and forth in each other's favour - which shouldn't happen in a truly high-level game (look at Korean PvP especially Zest v Classic in the SPL Final - wrong build, bad start, 10-15 supply deficit, and there's no coming back - yes, the games are that punishing). For some reason, players were finding it hard to close out games (yes, looking at you, Hydra). The games were thrilling, of course - but mostly because players in the lead were making blunders and letting their opponents back into the game, and also because of a few late Fantasy GG timings. I also wonder if Hydra and Polt were not as focused and committed this season because they've already made it to Blizzcon - much the same way Life and Dream have lost some steam back in Korea. Maybe Blizzcon can have a strange contrasting motivational effect on players in later seasons (positive for those struggling to make it, negative for those who already have) That said, I was rather impressed by Petreaus and Zarnster. Good solid Zergs. They definitely deserved to be in the finals. Both could've beaten Mana and Lilbow, if not for some minor mistakes. Not meaning to ridicule Lilbow's achievements here. Just wanting to put things into context. Yes, I'm happy that Lilbow - the best player of the tournament - won WCS. But I'm not happy that he's going to Blizzcon in this manner (winning a mid-tier tournament over a relatively weak field). | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On September 15 2015 09:13 Ensiferum8 wrote: If the mods want to ban me because they dont accept my opinion, its their choice, but honestly: IMO It was a really pathetic WCS I hate the Blizzcon point system, its completly unfair. First, the quality of the games were really bad (compared to GSL, SSL, or the insanely great PL final we saw just before). I mean, common! Mana? Zanster??? In semi finals of what is supposed to be a really prestigious tournament? If its a joke, its not funny. But, what I hate the most, is that the system is completly unfair. It rewards players based on where they are born, instead of whos the best. Look at blizzcon ranking: Lilbow? polt? maybe forGG? With all due respect, these players all are in Blizzcon, or really close, while player like soO, Dream, TY, stats etc... ARE OUT Fun fact: TY would beat the wcs player in 90% of the game, just like soO etc.... But thanks to WCS, foreigners that have 0 chance, and IMO, clearly dont deserve to be there, gets free pass because they are born outside of Korea. Imagine yourself in TY's shoes... You play insanely well (all kill CJ, semi in SSL etc...), but because some random foreigner (lilbow) beats another even more random and no name foreigner (zanster!, mana!) TY is out. Even if TY is WAY BETTER than lilbow etc... Its just unfair. Blizzcon should reward the best players in the world. Not a bunch of people who gets free points because they are not koreans. WCS should not allow points for blizzcon. So, if you cant accept different opinion, ban me, if you disagree with me, feel free to tell me why lilbow deserve more than TY or soO, solar etc... to get to blizzcon The 16 best players in the world are typically found in the GSL RO16. For everyone else, there's Blizzcon. Similarly, the best hockey players are found in the NHL, for everyone else, there's the Olympics. There's nothing wrong with any of that. Different strokes for different folks. Personally, when I watch hockey I prefer the NHL, but for SC2 I usually prefer to root for the home team. (Er, well in the Olympics or NHL I'm rooting for the home team, but the home team isn't good enough for GSL haha). The idea that I wouldn't have the ability to watch international talent take eachother on in a prestigious tournament AT LEAST once a year is stupid, in my opinion. I really like the way region lock is turning out. | ||
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LV-Hellscream
Great Britain154 Posts
 damn it. Why writing starcraft in the topic? ;/ I was hoping to see something awesome about SC1.. | ||
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stardog
556 Posts
On September 15 2015 09:13 Ensiferum8 wrote: Its just unfair. It's completely normal, otherwise in, for example, most football world cups we would see ~10 South America teams and ~22 European teams. Pretty much every sport in the word has some kind of regional locks or eliminations. | ||
digmouse
China6333 Posts
On September 15 2015 16:31 LV-Hellscream wrote: Starcraft 2 damn it. Why writing starcraft in the topic? ;/ I was hoping to see something awesome about SC1.. This is Starcraft 2 General Forum. Did you bother looking at the title and forum before dropping this? Are you implying TL writers should not write about Starcraft 2 because it has a 2 in it? | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3434 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bLI0n0p.jpg) Damn, I feel old. | ||
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