• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:44
CEST 05:44
KST 12:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection2Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th146Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League5
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th SurgeHack Recovery Experts Are Fast and Reliable. My starcraft 2 changes The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
Tesagi Viewer - A new era of replay watching Data analysis on 70 million replays BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors? Dating: How's your luck? Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3618 users

WCS Season 3 Finals Recap: Beauty in the Struggle - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
76 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 11:03:13
September 15 2015 11:02 GMT
#61
On September 15 2015 00:48 True_Spike wrote:
In case anyone is interested, one of the Netwars people posted some photos:

http://imgur.com/a/p0l0b
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132308195@N03/sets/72157658107909598

Some pretty cool pics.

I mean I dislike naniwa as much as the next guy, but I still don't get the bruno thing as a comeback to him for disliking poland.
On September 15 2015 09:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
And man saying they didn't deliver a good show is ridiculous. The level is probably not as high as what you can get in Korean leagues, but every series was just awesome as far as suspense and entertainment goes... I really enjoyed the PvP, that's saying something...


"probably not as high" :D

Do tell how you enjoyed game 1, 3, 5 and 6 of the finals. Just because a foreigner won regardless even if the other one made a stupid mistake?
why even
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
September 15 2015 12:03 GMT
#62
This is pretty cool by the way:

http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/des-felicitations-officielles-pour-lilbow-le-gouvernement-francais-felicite-le-protoss-millenium-pour-sa-victoire-en-wcs-134170

Official congratulations for Lilbow ! :D
My life for Aiur !
Tobivankenobi-TV
Profile Joined May 2013
Albania2 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 12:07:04
September 15 2015 12:06 GMT
#63
its so nice to see a foreigne champion too see thats guyd like Mana can beat "koreans" and too see new european, amercian hopes ...... thats much better than the old

will grubby come back ?
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
September 15 2015 12:06 GMT
#64
On September 15 2015 20:02 D-light wrote:
I mean I dislike naniwa as much as the next guy, but I still don't get the bruno thing as a comeback to him for disliking poland.

I think it was OK - nani's comment was plain rude, they replied with an unoffensive joke. Reminds me of mustache Nerchio's portrait in homesory cups.
FrostPilot
Profile Joined August 2015
31 Posts
September 15 2015 15:40 GMT
#65
On September 15 2015 18:44 True_Spike wrote:
Guys, do you want to see Mana on his (probably) first offline SC event?

Already practicing the stare
Thanks for sharing.
Redfish
Profile Joined April 2010
United States142 Posts
September 15 2015 16:28 GMT
#66
I am so, so, so sick of seeing all of the inane and worthless "THIS TOURNEY SUX BC NO GSL KOREANS" and "HERP DERP PROTOSS" posts that litter these threads.

It was a fantastic tournament that had a lot of drama, wonderful human and emotional moments, compelling storylines, comebacks, and brilliant strategic maneuvers, all in front of a rocking crowd that the SC2 scene needs more of. Enjoy it and take your biased and overtly misinformed balance whining and elitist snobbery elsewhere.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
September 15 2015 18:27 GMT
#67
"(Jim’s entire style for instance was created with the expectation of always playing in 400 ping environments)"

I am super super interested by this. Can someone link me to some additional content?
grogburg
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States329 Posts
September 15 2015 20:52 GMT
#68
On September 16 2015 03:27 fezvez wrote:
"(Jim’s entire style for instance was created with the expectation of always playing in 400 ping environments)"

I am super super interested by this. Can someone link me to some additional content?


I don't have specific links for you but if you watch pretty much any WCS premier league game with Jim in it, Rotti will make a big deal about how Jim never builds high templar, since the ping essentially prevents the effective use of storms.
<3 BaseTradeTV <3
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
September 15 2015 22:19 GMT
#69
On September 15 2015 21:03 VHbb wrote:
This is pretty cool by the way:

http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/des-felicitations-officielles-pour-lilbow-le-gouvernement-francais-felicite-le-protoss-millenium-pour-sa-victoire-en-wcs-134170

Official congratulations for Lilbow ! :D

this is totally amazing, I wasn't aware it had gotten so much echo outside of the esports scene. Great !!!!
14CC
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
93 Posts
September 16 2015 00:47 GMT
#70
On September 16 2015 01:28 Redfish wrote:
I am so, so, so sick of seeing all of the inane and worthless "THIS TOURNEY SUX BC NO GSL KOREANS" and "HERP DERP PROTOSS" posts that litter these threads.

It was a fantastic tournament that had a lot of drama, wonderful human and emotional moments, compelling storylines, comebacks, and brilliant strategic maneuvers, all in front of a rocking crowd that the SC2 scene needs more of. Enjoy it and take your biased and overtly misinformed balance whining and elitist snobbery elsewhere.

A great tournament indeed. It had everything except high lvl starcraft.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
September 16 2015 00:54 GMT
#71
On September 16 2015 03:27 fezvez wrote:
"(Jim’s entire style for instance was created with the expectation of always playing in 400 ping environments)"

I am super super interested by this. Can someone link me to some additional content?

Back when WCS AM Ro32 was online, Jim had to play his games across the pacific ocean, think about that.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 01:14:16
September 16 2015 01:14 GMT
#72
On September 16 2015 03:27 fezvez wrote:
"(Jim’s entire style for instance was created with the expectation of always playing in 400 ping environments)"

I am super super interested by this. Can someone link me to some additional content?


Some interview somewhere he mentions it. Its why Phoenix Colossus was their main style.
Their being Jim and Macsed
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3433 Posts
September 16 2015 06:46 GMT
#73
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9MpaL25JlnEZUc8BRZwCUw

Some clips from the viewer's standpoint.
DirtyNoodle
Profile Joined August 2015
2 Posts
September 16 2015 16:25 GMT
#74
On September 15 2015 09:13 Ensiferum8 wrote:
If the mods want to ban me because they dont accept my opinion, its their choice, but honestly:

IMO

It was a really pathetic WCS

I hate the Blizzcon point system, its completly unfair.

First, the quality of the games were really bad (compared to GSL, SSL, or the insanely great PL final we saw just before).

I mean, common! Mana? Zanster??? In semi finals of what is supposed to be a really prestigious tournament?

If its a joke, its not funny.

But, what I hate the most, is that the system is completly unfair. It rewards players based on where they are born, instead of whos the best.

Look at blizzcon ranking: Lilbow? polt? maybe forGG?

With all due respect, these players all are in Blizzcon, or really close, while player like

soO, Dream, TY, stats etc... ARE OUT

Fun fact: TY would beat the wcs player in 90% of the game, just like soO etc....

But thanks to WCS, foreigners that have 0 chance, and IMO, clearly dont deserve to be there, gets free pass because they are born outside of Korea.

Imagine yourself in TY's shoes...

You play insanely well (all kill CJ, semi in SSL etc...), but because some random foreigner (lilbow) beats another even more random and no name foreigner (zanster!, mana!)

TY is out. Even if TY is WAY BETTER than lilbow etc...

Its just unfair.

Blizzcon should reward the best players in the world. Not a bunch of people who gets free points because they are not koreans.

WCS should not allow points for blizzcon.


So, if you cant accept different opinion, ban me, if you disagree with me, feel free to tell me why lilbow deserve more than TY or soO, solar etc... to get to blizzcon


Agree or disagree, you put some effort in this post and just for that reason alone it deserves an honest answer.
First of all I think it's necessary to say that Lilbow didn't smash a bunch of nobodies in this tournament, that would be unfair, wrong and stupid.
Jaedong, ForGG and Hydra aren't noobs by any means and it would require a colossal amount of hate to refuse to acknowledge what kind of performance a player (foreigner or Korean) needs to beat those 3 guys in the same competition, your point of view suffered when you downplayed that performance, but I think your other point was better.

For your second point which is fair critique of the WCS system, I'll make a comparison with the soccer world cup, if you're American you're probably not familiar with that competition but bear with me, it's quite simple.
If only the best teams would participate in the world cup almost all of them would be European and South American.
But Asia, Africa and North America participate in that event, not because they can compete with Brazil, but because it's a world event that's supposed to gather the entire planet around it.
The "W" in WCS has the same purpose, the world gather around an event and almost all nations can bring their best hopes.
Is it fair? Not for the Koreans.
Is it best for the sport? Without a doubt, more eyes, more growth, more money, more popularity, that's not open for debate.

Blizzcon is your elite competition, that one you should watch, I'm sure Lilbow won't ruin it for you, and who knows, no matter how hard it is to admit it, he can win a few games.
But more importantly, maybe sometimes you could indulge yourself with a fun and thrilling event and just have a good time watching players do their absolute best to win even if you seem to dislike them to a point where you lose some rationality about their skills.
Maybe you could consider being able to admire the very best without the hate for those very close to that level, there is no causality between the two and that too, isn't open for debate.


Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 17 2015 15:26 GMT
#75
Good shit. WCS was awesome. Fuck the haters.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
September 17 2015 21:23 GMT
#76
This is how people celebrated Lilbow's win

http://9gag.com/gag/aDm1AbZ

Baguette Protoss !
My life for Aiur !
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
September 19 2015 14:46 GMT
#77
wcs wasnt good, been watching for years. was the only one i wasnt looking forward to watching and while watching i was doing other things. GJ to lilbow however, im not taking anything away from the finalists but for me it was utterly boring to watch
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft637
Nina 67
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 4055
Rain 3539
Calm 1161
HiyA 219
NaDa 47
Noble 34
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
League of Legends
JimRising 699
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1264
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox513
Other Games
summit1g11386
PiGStarcraft980
C9.Mang0518
Artosis337
m0e_tv299
Maynarde134
ViBE44
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1110
BasetradeTV332
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush990
• Lourlo305
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 16m
WardiTV Spring Champion…
7h 16m
OSC
9h 16m
Maestros of the Game
11h 46m
Serral vs Percival
SHIN vs ShoWTimE
Replay Cast
20h 16m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 11h
Maestros of the Game
1d 11h
Clem vs Lambo
Zoun vs SKillous
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
Solar vs Classic
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Grudge Match
2 days
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm
OSC
2 days
GSL
3 days
herO vs Rogue
Maru vs Cure
Patches Events
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.