• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:05
CET 18:05
KST 02:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down21ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League99
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War Sagi.gg Launcher Released Mathematicians needed to calc "Low Econ Epicness"
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE! [$1250] International ShieldBattery League
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Chess Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11304 users

WCS Season 3 Finals Recap: Beauty in the Struggle - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
76 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 11:03:13
September 15 2015 11:02 GMT
#61
On September 15 2015 00:48 True_Spike wrote:
In case anyone is interested, one of the Netwars people posted some photos:

http://imgur.com/a/p0l0b
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132308195@N03/sets/72157658107909598

Some pretty cool pics.

I mean I dislike naniwa as much as the next guy, but I still don't get the bruno thing as a comeback to him for disliking poland.
On September 15 2015 09:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
And man saying they didn't deliver a good show is ridiculous. The level is probably not as high as what you can get in Korean leagues, but every series was just awesome as far as suspense and entertainment goes... I really enjoyed the PvP, that's saying something...


"probably not as high" :D

Do tell how you enjoyed game 1, 3, 5 and 6 of the finals. Just because a foreigner won regardless even if the other one made a stupid mistake?
why even
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
September 15 2015 12:03 GMT
#62
This is pretty cool by the way:

http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/des-felicitations-officielles-pour-lilbow-le-gouvernement-francais-felicite-le-protoss-millenium-pour-sa-victoire-en-wcs-134170

Official congratulations for Lilbow ! :D
My life for Aiur !
Tobivankenobi-TV
Profile Joined May 2013
Albania2 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 12:07:04
September 15 2015 12:06 GMT
#63
its so nice to see a foreigne champion too see thats guyd like Mana can beat "koreans" and too see new european, amercian hopes ...... thats much better than the old

will grubby come back ?
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
September 15 2015 12:06 GMT
#64
On September 15 2015 20:02 D-light wrote:
I mean I dislike naniwa as much as the next guy, but I still don't get the bruno thing as a comeback to him for disliking poland.

I think it was OK - nani's comment was plain rude, they replied with an unoffensive joke. Reminds me of mustache Nerchio's portrait in homesory cups.
FrostPilot
Profile Joined August 2015
31 Posts
September 15 2015 15:40 GMT
#65
On September 15 2015 18:44 True_Spike wrote:
Guys, do you want to see Mana on his (probably) first offline SC event?

Already practicing the stare
Thanks for sharing.
Redfish
Profile Joined April 2010
United States142 Posts
September 15 2015 16:28 GMT
#66
I am so, so, so sick of seeing all of the inane and worthless "THIS TOURNEY SUX BC NO GSL KOREANS" and "HERP DERP PROTOSS" posts that litter these threads.

It was a fantastic tournament that had a lot of drama, wonderful human and emotional moments, compelling storylines, comebacks, and brilliant strategic maneuvers, all in front of a rocking crowd that the SC2 scene needs more of. Enjoy it and take your biased and overtly misinformed balance whining and elitist snobbery elsewhere.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
September 15 2015 18:27 GMT
#67
"(Jim’s entire style for instance was created with the expectation of always playing in 400 ping environments)"

I am super super interested by this. Can someone link me to some additional content?
grogburg
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States329 Posts
September 15 2015 20:52 GMT
#68
On September 16 2015 03:27 fezvez wrote:
"(Jim’s entire style for instance was created with the expectation of always playing in 400 ping environments)"

I am super super interested by this. Can someone link me to some additional content?


I don't have specific links for you but if you watch pretty much any WCS premier league game with Jim in it, Rotti will make a big deal about how Jim never builds high templar, since the ping essentially prevents the effective use of storms.
<3 BaseTradeTV <3
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
September 15 2015 22:19 GMT
#69
On September 15 2015 21:03 VHbb wrote:
This is pretty cool by the way:

http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/des-felicitations-officielles-pour-lilbow-le-gouvernement-francais-felicite-le-protoss-millenium-pour-sa-victoire-en-wcs-134170

Official congratulations for Lilbow ! :D

this is totally amazing, I wasn't aware it had gotten so much echo outside of the esports scene. Great !!!!
14CC
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
93 Posts
September 16 2015 00:47 GMT
#70
On September 16 2015 01:28 Redfish wrote:
I am so, so, so sick of seeing all of the inane and worthless "THIS TOURNEY SUX BC NO GSL KOREANS" and "HERP DERP PROTOSS" posts that litter these threads.

It was a fantastic tournament that had a lot of drama, wonderful human and emotional moments, compelling storylines, comebacks, and brilliant strategic maneuvers, all in front of a rocking crowd that the SC2 scene needs more of. Enjoy it and take your biased and overtly misinformed balance whining and elitist snobbery elsewhere.

A great tournament indeed. It had everything except high lvl starcraft.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6333 Posts
September 16 2015 00:54 GMT
#71
On September 16 2015 03:27 fezvez wrote:
"(Jim’s entire style for instance was created with the expectation of always playing in 400 ping environments)"

I am super super interested by this. Can someone link me to some additional content?

Back when WCS AM Ro32 was online, Jim had to play his games across the pacific ocean, think about that.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 01:14:16
September 16 2015 01:14 GMT
#72
On September 16 2015 03:27 fezvez wrote:
"(Jim’s entire style for instance was created with the expectation of always playing in 400 ping environments)"

I am super super interested by this. Can someone link me to some additional content?


Some interview somewhere he mentions it. Its why Phoenix Colossus was their main style.
Their being Jim and Macsed
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
September 16 2015 06:46 GMT
#73
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9MpaL25JlnEZUc8BRZwCUw

Some clips from the viewer's standpoint.
DirtyNoodle
Profile Joined August 2015
2 Posts
September 16 2015 16:25 GMT
#74
On September 15 2015 09:13 Ensiferum8 wrote:
If the mods want to ban me because they dont accept my opinion, its their choice, but honestly:

IMO

It was a really pathetic WCS

I hate the Blizzcon point system, its completly unfair.

First, the quality of the games were really bad (compared to GSL, SSL, or the insanely great PL final we saw just before).

I mean, common! Mana? Zanster??? In semi finals of what is supposed to be a really prestigious tournament?

If its a joke, its not funny.

But, what I hate the most, is that the system is completly unfair. It rewards players based on where they are born, instead of whos the best.

Look at blizzcon ranking: Lilbow? polt? maybe forGG?

With all due respect, these players all are in Blizzcon, or really close, while player like

soO, Dream, TY, stats etc... ARE OUT

Fun fact: TY would beat the wcs player in 90% of the game, just like soO etc....

But thanks to WCS, foreigners that have 0 chance, and IMO, clearly dont deserve to be there, gets free pass because they are born outside of Korea.

Imagine yourself in TY's shoes...

You play insanely well (all kill CJ, semi in SSL etc...), but because some random foreigner (lilbow) beats another even more random and no name foreigner (zanster!, mana!)

TY is out. Even if TY is WAY BETTER than lilbow etc...

Its just unfair.

Blizzcon should reward the best players in the world. Not a bunch of people who gets free points because they are not koreans.

WCS should not allow points for blizzcon.


So, if you cant accept different opinion, ban me, if you disagree with me, feel free to tell me why lilbow deserve more than TY or soO, solar etc... to get to blizzcon


Agree or disagree, you put some effort in this post and just for that reason alone it deserves an honest answer.
First of all I think it's necessary to say that Lilbow didn't smash a bunch of nobodies in this tournament, that would be unfair, wrong and stupid.
Jaedong, ForGG and Hydra aren't noobs by any means and it would require a colossal amount of hate to refuse to acknowledge what kind of performance a player (foreigner or Korean) needs to beat those 3 guys in the same competition, your point of view suffered when you downplayed that performance, but I think your other point was better.

For your second point which is fair critique of the WCS system, I'll make a comparison with the soccer world cup, if you're American you're probably not familiar with that competition but bear with me, it's quite simple.
If only the best teams would participate in the world cup almost all of them would be European and South American.
But Asia, Africa and North America participate in that event, not because they can compete with Brazil, but because it's a world event that's supposed to gather the entire planet around it.
The "W" in WCS has the same purpose, the world gather around an event and almost all nations can bring their best hopes.
Is it fair? Not for the Koreans.
Is it best for the sport? Without a doubt, more eyes, more growth, more money, more popularity, that's not open for debate.

Blizzcon is your elite competition, that one you should watch, I'm sure Lilbow won't ruin it for you, and who knows, no matter how hard it is to admit it, he can win a few games.
But more importantly, maybe sometimes you could indulge yourself with a fun and thrilling event and just have a good time watching players do their absolute best to win even if you seem to dislike them to a point where you lose some rationality about their skills.
Maybe you could consider being able to admire the very best without the hate for those very close to that level, there is no causality between the two and that too, isn't open for debate.


Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 17 2015 15:26 GMT
#75
Good shit. WCS was awesome. Fuck the haters.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
September 17 2015 21:23 GMT
#76
This is how people celebrated Lilbow's win

http://9gag.com/gag/aDm1AbZ

Baguette Protoss !
My life for Aiur !
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
September 19 2015 14:46 GMT
#77
wcs wasnt good, been watching for years. was the only one i wasnt looking forward to watching and while watching i was doing other things. GJ to lilbow however, im not taking anything away from the finalists but for me it was utterly boring to watch
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
02:00
#68
TaKeTV 60
SteadfastSC4
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko617
RotterdaM 277
TKL 127
ByuN 110
SteadfastSC 4
BRAT_OK 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3795
Shuttle 1998
Jaedong 960
Bisu 923
Mini 769
Larva 388
Light 320
Snow 244
hero 175
firebathero 113
[ Show more ]
Stork 112
sorry 95
Hyuk 79
HiyA 33
Terrorterran 25
Killer 23
ToSsGirL 19
Bishop 18
Aegong 18
zelot 16
Sacsri 14
scan(afreeca) 12
Hm[arnc] 11
yabsab 8
Dota 2
qojqva2305
Cr1tdota2200
syndereN465
BananaSlamJamma300
420jenkins241
PGG 204
monkeys_forever170
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1708
ceh9415
x6flipin316
edward32
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King145
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu2246
crisheroes575
MindelVK10
Other Games
singsing2271
Liquid`RaSZi1511
hiko932
Beastyqt872
Livibee203
Liquid`VortiX175
ArmadaUGS159
QueenE73
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL506
Other Games
WardiTV292
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 41
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3548
• WagamamaTV674
League of Legends
• Nemesis4016
Other Games
• Shiphtur597
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 55m
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
19h 55m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 7h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
IPSL
4 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-01
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
CC Div. A S8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.