Earlier last week, there was a post on IM's facebook about Mvp coming back and people got SUPER flippin hyped for it. Unfortunately, IM deleted their fb post and kenzi tweeted that Mvp will not be returning as a player.
It looks like there will be some kind of showmatch occurring between HasIanMvp and MarineKing
The fb post has not been taken down yet and many people have already commented about this. Hopefully someone can translate this?
On September 09 2015 21:15 BreAKerTV wrote: This will be taking place at a BYOC-style tournament here in Taipei known as wirforce. There, the taiwan qualifiers for 2015 Blizzcon hearthstone tournament will also take place.
We're missing the important part of this OP, which is that Has looks like a complete badass.
Well, that and the part where Incredible Miracle made a post about SC2, implying that that still have an active interest in promoting the game, but that's beside the point.
On September 09 2015 17:01 rotta wrote: I bet this will be Archon.
I was thinking that too, it could very well be Archon mode. The only thing that throws me off is that Has and Ian aren't playing the same race. But that wouldn't be the first time someone race-switched in Archon mode.
On September 09 2015 17:01 rotta wrote: I bet this will be Archon.
I was thinking that too, it could very well be Archon mode. The only thing that throws me off is that Has and Ian aren't playing the same race. But that wouldn't be the first time someone race-switched in Archon mode.
Imagine the wonders Has can pull off with Ian as his macro slave!
This will be taking place at a BYOC-style tournament here in Taipei known as wirforce. There, the taiwan qualifiers for 2015 Blizzcon hearthstone tournament will also take place.
Mvp looking swole as fuck. Super fucking hyped to see Mvp again. Ain't watched SC2 properly in ages, but if the King makes his return proper, then so will I.
On September 09 2015 16:48 Circumstance wrote: We're missing the important part of this OP, which is that Has looks like a complete badass.
Well, that and the part where Incredible Miracle made a post about SC2, implying that that still have an active interest in promoting the game, but that's beside the point.
The IM facebook page has made at least one comment about wanting to come back to SC2. I imagine that now would be the best time with LotV and their sponsorship by I think its a streaming company.
I feel like I and many others stopped caring so much for the sc2 pro scene when MVP faded away. Sure there might be players nearly as decorated as he was these days but the MVP mind games in his tournament runs and even when he lost made for such an exciting event over and over. His IEM and MLG victories were some of the best non gsl tournaments I have ever watched, especially considering his builds to counter broodlord infestors at that IEM taking out vortix and nerchio who seemed unstoppable in zvt.
No matter how out of practice MVP may become, I think that he'll still win over MKP. I know, I know, Prime flair, and I am a big MKP fan, but the amount of psychological pain MVP has given to MKP is very strong.
And then, of course, Has is there... Of the three of them, I think Has has the strongest cheese skill, although both MVP and MKP have made some pretty nice cheese in their time. Ian sounds familiar, but I'm not that sure who he is.
On September 10 2015 15:53 negativedge wrote: so what's going to happen when this is actually mvp vs. has and mvp loses to a cannon rush in 3 minutes or something
So many people thinking Mvp will get rekt, he's active with his barcode on ladder and is 58-14 in masters with random ... 58-14 in masters with random ...
On September 10 2015 22:46 BlackSeries wrote: So many people thinking Mvp will get rekt, he's active with his barcode on ladder and is 58-14 in masters with random ... 58-14 in masters with random ...
This is a barcode account. How do we even know it's him?
On September 10 2015 22:46 BlackSeries wrote: So many people thinking Mvp will get rekt, he's active with his barcode on ladder and is 58-14 in masters with random ... 58-14 in masters with random ...
This is a barcode account. How do we even know it's him?
is 58-14 in master as random even a notable achievement for a player who's supposed to be pro level? there are players in every region who crush GM league and aren't even top pros
On September 10 2015 22:46 BlackSeries wrote: So many people thinking Mvp will get rekt, he's active with his barcode on ladder and is 58-14 in masters with random ... 58-14 in masters with random ...
This is a barcode account. How do we even know it's him?
He used it on his Azubustream, unfortunately he isn't streaming anymore and his VoD are also gone
I'm confused as to the mode of this showmatch; archon mode, hots etc?
Either way, this looks awesome. MVP dusting off his mouse, a must see. I do wonder if he ever made a full recovery. It seems that was the only thing holding back the king of wings.
On September 11 2015 09:33 Doodsmack wrote: Mvp - best player in WoL history.
Fixed that for you.
Best in both WoL and overall history, and in fact even more impressive that his reign was limited in time considering he amassed more accomplishments in a smaller period of time than anyone else has in more years .
On September 11 2015 09:33 Doodsmack wrote: Mvp - best player in WoL history.
Fixed that for you.
Best in both WoL and overall history, and in fact even more impressive that his reign was limited in time considering he amassed more accomplishments in a smaller period of time than anyone else has in more years .
On September 11 2015 09:33 Doodsmack wrote: Mvp - best player in WoL history.
Fixed that for you.
Best in both WoL and overall history, and in fact even more impressive that his reign was limited in time considering he amassed more accomplishments in a smaller period of time than anyone else has in more years .
FInally this is what it would have taken to make the best player ever. In archon mode mvp would not even need to play, it's just so that he can be on vocal with MKP.
If you take MKP hands with MVP telling him what to do so that he doesn't choke or take bad decision, that is the ultimate terran right there.
On September 11 2015 09:33 Doodsmack wrote: Mvp - best player in WoL history.
Fixed that for you.
Best in both WoL and overall history, and in fact even more impressive that his reign was limited in time considering he amassed more accomplishments in a smaller period of time than anyone else has in more years .
He was dominant in Kespaless ~monthly WoL GSL's for ~2 years, that's pretty much it. I wouldn't call anyone GOAT yet, but Life for one can still reign in LotV. I don't like to use the b-word either, but Mvp is more like the SC2 equivalent of the Emperor.
On September 11 2015 09:33 Doodsmack wrote: Mvp - best player in WoL history.
Fixed that for you.
Best in both WoL and overall history, and in fact even more impressive that his reign was limited in time considering he amassed more accomplishments in a smaller period of time than anyone else has in more years .
He was dominant in Kespaless ~monthly WoL GSL's for ~2 years, that's pretty much it. I wouldn't call anyone GOAT yet, but Life for one can still reign in LotV. I don't like to use the b-word either, but Mvp is more like the SC2 equivalent of the Emperor.
On September 11 2015 09:33 Doodsmack wrote: Mvp - best player in WoL history.
Fixed that for you.
Best in both WoL and overall history, and in fact even more impressive that his reign was limited in time considering he amassed more accomplishments in a smaller period of time than anyone else has in more years .
He was dominant in Kespaless ~monthly WoL GSL's for ~2 years, that's pretty much it. I wouldn't call anyone GOAT yet, but Life for one can still reign in LotV. I don't like to use the b-word either, but Mvp is more like the SC2 equivalent of the Emperor.
Nah, MVP the best of all time.
this only reason MVP is not still nr1 is because of his wrist issues that where getting worse and worse
It's very hard to call MVP the GOAT when he dominated during the early stages of sc2 before build orders were perfectly refined. That, and his competitor for the title of GOAT, Life, beat him in the GSL finals during his period of domination. In any rts, there are those players who dominate the early stages and those who slowly grow into the role of champions. Both are equally impressive, but the latter usually stick around longer.
On September 14 2015 22:22 TRaFFiC wrote: It's very hard to call MVP the GOAT when he dominated during the early stages of sc2 before build orders were perfectly refined.
Which makes his dominance more impressive. The game was far more volatile and it was easier to lose to shit players. Even during times of homogeneous metas (hellbat TvT), Mvp more than held his own, despite having a broken back, against the best of Kespa (vs INnoVation at his peak, notably).
That, and his competitor for the title of GOAT, Life, beat him in the GSL finals during his period of domination.
Not even close to true. Mvp was on his last legsarms and it was a period of terran sucking. It was the start of BL infestor, and Life used it to win. So Life barely beat a cripple during the most imbalanced meta in history.
In any rts, there are those players who dominate the early stages and those who slowly grow into the role of champions. Both are equally impressive, but the latter usually stick around longer.
Length of total career is irrelevant. Length of domination is. Take for example, Jordan (15 seasons) vs Kobe (20 and counting). Life has never dominated for long periods. He has always gone (insanely) hot and (stupidly) cold. You can't be the GOAT if you never truly dominate.
Mvp is the GOAT. Anyone who argues otherwise is a fool.
On September 14 2015 22:22 TRaFFiC wrote: It's very hard to call MVP the GOAT when he dominated during the early stages of sc2 before build orders were perfectly refined.
Which makes his dominance more impressive. The game was far more volatile and it was easier to lose to shit players. Even during times of homogeneous metas (hellbat TvT), Mvp more than held his own, despite having a broken back, against the best of Kespa (vs INnoVation at his peak, notably).
That, and his competitor for the title of GOAT, Life, beat him in the GSL finals during his period of domination.
Not even close to true. Mvp was on his last legsarms and it was a period of terran sucking. It was the start of BL infestor, and Life used it to win. So Life barely beat a cripple during the most imbalanced meta in history.
In any rts, there are those players who dominate the early stages and those who slowly grow into the role of champions. Both are equally impressive, but the latter usually stick around longer.
Length of total career is irrelevant. Length of domination is. Take for example, Jordan (15 seasons) vs Kobe (20 and counting). Life has never dominated for long periods. He has always gone (insanely) hot and (stupidly) cold. You can't be the GOAT if you never truly dominate.
Mvp is the GOAT. Anyone who argues otherwise is a fool.
That was uncalled for lichter. Destroying a young boy. You're an inhuman monster! /s
what's the point of calling out a goat after something like 5 years anyway ? All those kind of discussions will be far more interesting when some dust will have settle down on LotV.
On September 15 2015 09:15 [PkF] Wire wrote: what's the point of calling out a goat after something like 5 years anyway ? All those kind of discussions will be far more interesting when some dust will have settle down on LotV.
It won't be more interesting. I've read enough Messi vs Maradona discussions to predict that with each Life's win the arguments will become more bitter and senseless. As Life will surpass MVP in easily measurable achievements like number of premier tournament wins, people will refer to less measurable ones (like lichter does with "length of dominance") which have the benefit of vagueness that never allows to reach a conclusion. Bonus points for using "player X can't be as great as player Y because he doesn't have achievement A" without understanding what "achievement A" means in different times.
If Life won't win anything else besides what he has now, MVP will probably be considered the GOAT but I don't see that happening as Life is only like 18.
I think the difficulty in coming to an aggreement who the goat (and potentially the next bonjwa) is partially because there is no formal elo ranking / kespa monthly in sc2
On September 14 2015 22:22 TRaFFiC wrote: It's very hard to call MVP the GOAT when he dominated during the early stages of sc2 before build orders were perfectly refined.
Which makes his dominance more impressive. The game was far more volatile and it was easier to lose to shit players. Even during times of homogeneous metas (hellbat TvT), Mvp more than held his own, despite having a broken back, against the best of Kespa (vs INnoVation at his peak, notably).
That, and his competitor for the title of GOAT, Life, beat him in the GSL finals during his period of domination.
Not even close to true. Mvp was on his last legsarms and it was a period of terran sucking. It was the start of BL infestor, and Life used it to win. So Life barely beat a cripple during the most imbalanced meta in history.
In any rts, there are those players who dominate the early stages and those who slowly grow into the role of champions. Both are equally impressive, but the latter usually stick around longer.
Length of total career is irrelevant. Length of domination is. Take for example, Jordan (15 seasons) vs Kobe (20 and counting). Life has never dominated for long periods. He has always gone (insanely) hot and (stupidly) cold. You can't be the GOAT if you never truly dominate.
Mvp is the GOAT. Anyone who argues otherwise is a fool.
Regarding MVP's injuries, I don't think anyone really knows how much it affected him. It's not like we have access to his practice logs for each month and we can see a dip in ladder rank/hours invested in practice. All we see are the results. I believe his injuries were serious, but we can't be sure his dip in results wasn't also caused by his participation in WCS EU and the subsequent amount of time spent traveling (or even the disbandment of his team).
The article on MVP for Greatest Players of All Time is a great piece of Sc2 history. What I don't agree with is the notion that he was on his way out because his macro mechanics had nearly completely deteriorated. How would this even be checked? You would need to have access to the replays from those games and check for cc/rax/fac/star production. If his macro was so poor, why take it to a split map mass battle cruiser situation vs Squirtle? One thing is for sure, in SC2 there aren't many players who made it far in the GSL by accident. From the qualifiers, through code a, it's a monstrous road with pitfalls everywhere. So while MVP might not have been at his strongest, Life's victory over him still counts for something in my eyes.
In terms of Length of domination, Life and MVP for the most part played in different eras. I believe today there are actually way more talented players so it's harder to stay dominate for as long.
At the end of the day, I concede that with 5 Korean titles over Life's 4 I would still give the GOAT title to MVP, but not for long.
On September 15 2015 09:15 [PkF] Wire wrote: what's the point of calling out a goat after something like 5 years anyway ? All those kind of discussions will be far more interesting when some dust will have settle down on LotV.
Having a GOAT is what makes sports interesting. SC2 has a very short life span compared to traditional sports. Nobody knows how long LOTV will last. Even if all goes well and it lasts another 5 years, surely the expansion will come along and people will move to that. So then, if you compare SC2 to basketball (a sport which people started playing professionally around 1900), you can be for damn sure they had a GOAT by 1950.
We don't need to decide on 1 player forever. The GOAT can change over time.
On September 15 2015 18:38 ZiggyPG wrote: I think the difficulty in coming to an aggreement who the goat (and potentially the next bonjwa) is partially because there is no formal elo ranking / kespa monthly in sc2
Yeah you're right, why did kespa stopped doing that ? It was awesome
On September 15 2015 20:36 TRaFFiC wrote: Regarding MVP's injuries, I don't think anyone really knows how much it affected him. It's not like we have access to his practice logs for each month and we can see a dip in ladder rank/hours invested in practice. All we see are the results. I believe his injuries were serious, but we can't be sure his dip in results wasn't also caused by his participation in WCS EU and the subsequent amount of time spent traveling (or even the disbandment of his team).
Yes and no, in the doc rise of the king you can see how severe his issues were.
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