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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19225 Posts
July 16 2015 00:03 GMT
#121
Guys, What if blizzard reverts the swarm hosts patch in HoTS so people won't continue to play it competitively over LoTV? :D
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9366 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 00:12:50
July 16 2015 00:11 GMT
#122
On July 16 2015 07:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 07:33 custombuild wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:52 TJ31 wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i figured LotV would be $60 USD because its a stand alone product.

they did this giant long beta and are only asking $40 USD, and its not an expansion that requires a different purchase....
ATVI is going to make !@#$%^&* all on this. this makes it even easier for them to push aside Starcraft and RTS like it doesn't exist.

if the retail box copy is also $40 USD then just wow.
my how the RTS genre has fallen.
u get onto the ladder and a campaign for just $40.

It's still an expansion, to a 5+ years old game as well (will be closer to 6 if they won't release it until next year). I know it's Blizzard and stuff, but even 40$ is too much for that. Graphics is dated, engine itself is terrible (jokes on Blizz for using it for their moba too). Would consider buying it for 20$ maybe, although I have no interested in playing ladder/mp anymore.

So yeah, only interested in campaign and HS cardback so far. Probably won't buy it at all.


Even though I think you are trying to troll people you do make good points. It really does not bring anything new to the table. The game play is basically repetitive where you build bases over and over and then attack something.


You just defined an entire genre of games- Real Time Strategy. That's the point of the game, not a redundant, boring drawback to it. No one expected SC2:LotV to be a MOBA or FPS.


You have a similar mindset as the people in the transportation industry 100 years ago who sold horses. The point is that you need to innovate based on what your customers need. Noone enjoys building a suply depot every x second. Instead what people enjoy about the RTS genre is to control units.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44137 Posts
July 16 2015 00:17 GMT
#123
On July 16 2015 09:11 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 07:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 16 2015 07:33 custombuild wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:52 TJ31 wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i figured LotV would be $60 USD because its a stand alone product.

they did this giant long beta and are only asking $40 USD, and its not an expansion that requires a different purchase....
ATVI is going to make !@#$%^&* all on this. this makes it even easier for them to push aside Starcraft and RTS like it doesn't exist.

if the retail box copy is also $40 USD then just wow.
my how the RTS genre has fallen.
u get onto the ladder and a campaign for just $40.

It's still an expansion, to a 5+ years old game as well (will be closer to 6 if they won't release it until next year). I know it's Blizzard and stuff, but even 40$ is too much for that. Graphics is dated, engine itself is terrible (jokes on Blizz for using it for their moba too). Would consider buying it for 20$ maybe, although I have no interested in playing ladder/mp anymore.

So yeah, only interested in campaign and HS cardback so far. Probably won't buy it at all.


Even though I think you are trying to troll people you do make good points. It really does not bring anything new to the table. The game play is basically repetitive where you build bases over and over and then attack something.


You just defined an entire genre of games- Real Time Strategy. That's the point of the game, not a redundant, boring drawback to it. No one expected SC2:LotV to be a MOBA or FPS.


You have a similar mindset as the people in the transportation industry 100 years ago who sold horses. The point is that you need to innovate based on what your customers need. Noone enjoys building a suply depot every x second. Instead what people enjoy about the RTS genre is to control units.


Micro but no macro? If i just want to control units and not care about economy, I'd play a different genre.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
July 16 2015 00:17 GMT
#124
On July 16 2015 09:11 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 07:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 16 2015 07:33 custombuild wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:52 TJ31 wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i figured LotV would be $60 USD because its a stand alone product.

they did this giant long beta and are only asking $40 USD, and its not an expansion that requires a different purchase....
ATVI is going to make !@#$%^&* all on this. this makes it even easier for them to push aside Starcraft and RTS like it doesn't exist.

if the retail box copy is also $40 USD then just wow.
my how the RTS genre has fallen.
u get onto the ladder and a campaign for just $40.

It's still an expansion, to a 5+ years old game as well (will be closer to 6 if they won't release it until next year). I know it's Blizzard and stuff, but even 40$ is too much for that. Graphics is dated, engine itself is terrible (jokes on Blizz for using it for their moba too). Would consider buying it for 20$ maybe, although I have no interested in playing ladder/mp anymore.

So yeah, only interested in campaign and HS cardback so far. Probably won't buy it at all.


Even though I think you are trying to troll people you do make good points. It really does not bring anything new to the table. The game play is basically repetitive where you build bases over and over and then attack something.


You just defined an entire genre of games- Real Time Strategy. That's the point of the game, not a redundant, boring drawback to it. No one expected SC2:LotV to be a MOBA or FPS.


You have a similar mindset as the people in the transportation industry 100 years ago who sold horses. The point is that you need to innovate based on what your customers need. Noone enjoys building a suply depot every x second. Instead what people enjoy about the RTS genre is to control units.

i think thats arguable though. strategic citybuilding games have been popular for a long time too. it might be true that starcraft fans or RTS fans or game fans want less macro than SC2 requires, it might not be true. but "no one enjoys building supply depots" i think is an oversimplification and perhaps quite an inaccurate one
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
July 16 2015 00:18 GMT
#125
Looking through the details, is there no discount for those who already own Wol/HOTS?

Looks like just 40 dollars for everyone
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
July 16 2015 00:19 GMT
#126
lol, limited edition, what a meaningless term.
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
July 16 2015 00:25 GMT
#127
Noone enjoys building a suply depot every x second


Not true at all and without the mechanical skills for base management and multitasking it would be a very different game
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
sacrilegious
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada863 Posts
July 16 2015 00:29 GMT
#128
When I saw this news at first, I was like cool maybe I should get it now for the missions. I further considered the deluxe (for HS and HotS and maybe D3) even though I never bought anything more than the original for WoL and Heart of the Swarm... then I said to myself "whoooa there", and thought it through.

An additional $20 USD for cosmetic stuff is absurd. If they included in-game stuff for the other games like card packs for HS and/or 2 heroes for purchase in HotS then maybe you can justify the $20 USD

Further, if anyone is in Canada like I am and did a rough conversion of $59.99 USD to CAD, you will see it converts to $77.56 CAD. I'm also going to assume taxes have not been factored in, so you would be paying likely close to $90 CAD... am I correct? Once again, that is absurd. $31.99 USD converts to $51.70 CAD just for the game alone... I really don't remember paying that much for Heart of the Swarm
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 16 2015 00:31 GMT
#129
On July 16 2015 09:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Guys, What if blizzard reverts the swarm hosts patch in HoTS so people won't continue to play it competitively over LoTV? :D

Would love this douchebag move ;D
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 16 2015 00:31 GMT
#130
On July 16 2015 09:29 sacrilegious wrote:
When I saw this news at first, I was like cool maybe I should get it now for the missions. I further considered the deluxe (for HS and HotS and maybe D3) even though I never bought anything more than the original for WoL and Heart of the Swarm... then I said to myself "whoooa there", and thought it through.

An additional $20 USD for cosmetic stuff is absurd. If they included in-game stuff for the other games like card packs for HS and/or 2 heroes for purchase in HotS then maybe you can justify the $20 USD

Further, if anyone is in Canada like I am and did a rough conversion of $59.99 USD to CAD, you will see it converts to $77.56 CAD. I'm also going to assume taxes have not been factored in, so you would be paying likely close to $90 CAD... am I correct? Once again, that is absurd. $31.99 USD converts to $51.70 CAD just for the game alone... I really don't remember paying that much for Heart of the Swarm

I think that the dollar might've been a bit stronger when you bought HotS.
kiss kiss fall in love
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 16 2015 00:32 GMT
#131
On July 16 2015 09:11 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 07:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 16 2015 07:33 custombuild wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:52 TJ31 wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i figured LotV would be $60 USD because its a stand alone product.

they did this giant long beta and are only asking $40 USD, and its not an expansion that requires a different purchase....
ATVI is going to make !@#$%^&* all on this. this makes it even easier for them to push aside Starcraft and RTS like it doesn't exist.

if the retail box copy is also $40 USD then just wow.
my how the RTS genre has fallen.
u get onto the ladder and a campaign for just $40.

It's still an expansion, to a 5+ years old game as well (will be closer to 6 if they won't release it until next year). I know it's Blizzard and stuff, but even 40$ is too much for that. Graphics is dated, engine itself is terrible (jokes on Blizz for using it for their moba too). Would consider buying it for 20$ maybe, although I have no interested in playing ladder/mp anymore.

So yeah, only interested in campaign and HS cardback so far. Probably won't buy it at all.


Even though I think you are trying to troll people you do make good points. It really does not bring anything new to the table. The game play is basically repetitive where you build bases over and over and then attack something.


You just defined an entire genre of games- Real Time Strategy. That's the point of the game, not a redundant, boring drawback to it. No one expected SC2:LotV to be a MOBA or FPS.


You have a similar mindset as the people in the transportation industry 100 years ago who sold horses. The point is that you need to innovate based on what your customers need. Noone enjoys building a suply depot every x second. Instead what people enjoy about the RTS genre is to control units.

The masses don't want to build a supply depot every x seconds, most of them don't want to play a competitive game solo or control more than 1 unit. Luckily SC2 is not a game aimed at the masses.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
July 16 2015 02:17 GMT
#132
On July 16 2015 07:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 07:20 SuperHofmann wrote:
I'll wait for the collector's edition


The OP has links to the digital deluxe version and the whole set too...


Neither of which are the collector's edition.
STX Fighting!
Jordik
Profile Joined June 2011
France12 Posts
July 16 2015 02:19 GMT
#133
No one complaining about the 1$=1€ policy of Blizzard that have been on for some time now? At least Steam got it right and the shopping uses the right conversion rate!
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 16 2015 02:24 GMT
#134
On July 16 2015 09:11 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 07:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 16 2015 07:33 custombuild wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:52 TJ31 wrote:
On July 16 2015 04:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i figured LotV would be $60 USD because its a stand alone product.

they did this giant long beta and are only asking $40 USD, and its not an expansion that requires a different purchase....
ATVI is going to make !@#$%^&* all on this. this makes it even easier for them to push aside Starcraft and RTS like it doesn't exist.

if the retail box copy is also $40 USD then just wow.
my how the RTS genre has fallen.
u get onto the ladder and a campaign for just $40.

It's still an expansion, to a 5+ years old game as well (will be closer to 6 if they won't release it until next year). I know it's Blizzard and stuff, but even 40$ is too much for that. Graphics is dated, engine itself is terrible (jokes on Blizz for using it for their moba too). Would consider buying it for 20$ maybe, although I have no interested in playing ladder/mp anymore.

So yeah, only interested in campaign and HS cardback so far. Probably won't buy it at all.


Even though I think you are trying to troll people you do make good points. It really does not bring anything new to the table. The game play is basically repetitive where you build bases over and over and then attack something.


You just defined an entire genre of games- Real Time Strategy. That's the point of the game, not a redundant, boring drawback to it. No one expected SC2:LotV to be a MOBA or FPS.


You have a similar mindset as the people in the transportation industry 100 years ago who sold horses. The point is that you need to innovate based on what your customers need. Noone enjoys building a suply depot every x second. Instead what people enjoy about the RTS genre is to control units.

We have an entire genre called MOBA where all you do is control units and base management and attack pushes are done by the computer. But we come here because this is what we enjoy.
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vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
July 16 2015 02:24 GMT
#135
On July 16 2015 11:19 Jordik wrote:
No one complaining about the 1$=1€ policy of Blizzard that have been on for some time now?


The conversion rate is pretty close to 1:1 right now. It's not 2011 anymore.
STX Fighting!
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 16 2015 02:26 GMT
#136
On July 16 2015 11:24 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 11:19 Jordik wrote:
No one complaining about the 1$=1€ policy of Blizzard that have been on for some time now?


The conversion rate is pretty close to 1:1 right now. It's not 2011 anymore.

Looking at Google's price chart rn, is it because of the whole Greece situation?
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
July 16 2015 02:31 GMT
#137
On July 16 2015 11:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 11:24 vesicular wrote:
On July 16 2015 11:19 Jordik wrote:
No one complaining about the 1$=1€ policy of Blizzard that have been on for some time now?


The conversion rate is pretty close to 1:1 right now. It's not 2011 anymore.

Looking at Google's price chart rn, is it because of the whole Greece situation?


Mainly, US economy has been stronger than the rest of the world, the oil boom in the US, and a reduction of US debt.
STX Fighting!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16669 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 02:46:09
July 16 2015 02:42 GMT
#138
if u like RTS games with no supply depot building i recommend Company of Heroes 1.

On July 16 2015 11:31 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2015 11:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On July 16 2015 11:24 vesicular wrote:
On July 16 2015 11:19 Jordik wrote:
No one complaining about the 1$=1€ policy of Blizzard that have been on for some time now?


The conversion rate is pretty close to 1:1 right now. It's not 2011 anymore.

Looking at Google's price chart rn, is it because of the whole Greece situation?


Mainly, US economy has been stronger than the rest of the world, the oil boom in the US, and a reduction of US debt.

huh?
the price of oil is falling like a rock.. if this iran deal goes through the world wide supply of oil will rise substantially... and the us economy is weak and getting weaker.

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-us-economy-weak-and-getting-weaker/
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nrv
Profile Joined April 2011
United States113 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 02:46:57
July 16 2015 02:46 GMT
#139
when do we get the portraits for deluxe edition?
yes
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 16 2015 02:56 GMT
#140
I've been on this forum supporting starcraft 2 since the start. Since before the start of SC2. but, I won't be pre-ordering anything. if they make 20 million or more before the game even comes out it really reduces the incentive to improve the game. Who even knows how bad it's gonna be?

With everything they hoped for StarCraft, and as little as it has returned for them, I imagine they could just cut their losses and release any old trash if they make enough.

Please to not reduce the incentive for them to keep improving the game, by giving them money already for it. Please.
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